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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Quest said:
The dwarven ranger called it enough evidence. I think they'd now better than you?
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No he didn't. Dreng said 'take a look at the mountain, something's off' Gotri saw that it was the snow line, and then Dreng independently confirmed that it was an Ice Dragon causing it. That doesn't rule out that it could have been a Frost Dragon, or indeed a completely unrelated phenomenon, based off that alone.

Lightwhispers said:
And we're not saying that's the only evidence. The rangers reported it was an Ice Dragon, exact level of evidence unspecified, but enough for Dreng. You may not be meaning to, but you're calling him incompetent by assuming that the evidence was insufficient to conclude that it is, in fact, an Ice Dragon.
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For the fifth bloody time I'M NOT ARGUING HE'S WRONG. I'm disagreeing with Veekie's assertion that it would have to be an Emperor Dragon to move the snow line.
 
I can only assume that update withdrawal has set in, as this argument is insane on all counts.

Can we please stop? Nobody here is actually disagreeing about anything meaningful?
 
It's probably too late at this point, but could we get a magister as a private tutor for 5 (or even a talented journeyman for 2) instead of spending 10 favors on the college to learn invisibility? We can even take advantage of our tower that way.
 
Oksbad said:
It's probably too late at this point, but could we get a magister as a private tutor for 5 (or even a talented journeyman for 2) instead of spending 10 favors on the college to learn invisibility? We can even take advantage of our tower that way.
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To be fair, it's 10 favor to have at least a shot at every spell we still need to learn, to my understanding.

If it was just about invisibility, we'd take the invisibility class.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
No he didn't. Dreng said 'take a look at the mountain, something's off' Gotri saw that it was the snow line, and then Dreng independently confirmed that it was an Ice Dragon causing it. That doesn't rule out that it could have been a Frost Dragon, or indeed a completely unrelated phenomenon, based off that alone.
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Fair enough. I thought you were denying that there was an Ice Dragon rather than arguing about what evidence is enough.
 
Ten favour is insanely expensive, does that guarantee learning the spells?

Didn't know we could even do that.

@edit: 10 favor for five attempts, as opposed to one favor for one-four?

I'm pretty sure Boney said 10 in expectation of us never doing it.

What the fuck.

@edit2: To clarify, us not doing it not because we can't, the response is clear, but that we wouldn't, because it's purposefully overpriced.
 
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Oksbad said:
It's probably too late at this point, but could we get a magister as a private tutor for 5 (or even a talented journeyman for 2) instead of spending 10 favors on the college to learn invisibility? We can even take advantage of our tower that way.
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For all we know the expenditure of 10 favors on the task of being taught all remaining spells at the Colleges is specifically because ensuring it will require that we sit down for a few weeks and listen to the wisdom of Grandpa Melkoth, who is taking time out of his busy schedule to pound some knowledge into our head in light of the importance we've told the Grey College that we place on the task of mastering every standard spell we don't know as quickly as possible without taking time from our other duties.

It's all in how BoneyM decides to flavor it.
 
Redshirt Army said:
And to expand on what @CrimsonOddball said, it'd have been 20 Favor to get a College P/Matriarch usually, but Algard gave us a discount because he likes towers.
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You're taking it out of context. No amount of favor can get you a College M/Patriarch. That we got Algard at all was because he likes towers. There was no discount at all. We can't actually spend that much favor on this.

The 20 favor number came up when someone asked Boney what a P/Matriarch would hypothetically cost taking into account that we couldn't actually get them even if we spend that much.

The only way to get them is to spend 10 favor on a topic they'd be interested in and hope to hell that they take interest or have the time to pursue that interest.
 
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DarkLight140 said:
For all we know the expenditure of 10 favors on the task of being taught all remaining spells at the Colleges is specifically because ensuring it will require that we sit down for a few weeks and listen to the wisdom of Grandpa Melkoth, who is taking time out of his busy schedule to pound some knowledge into our head in light of the importance we've told the Grey College that we place on the task of mastering every standard spell we don't know as quickly as possible without taking time from our other duties.

It's all in how BoneyM decides to flavor it.
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I imagine Melkoth leading us as we plan increasingly elaborate pranks upon the rest of the students and faculty with every new spell.
It was actually just 5 favor for his aid, the rest is favor lost as a result.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I'm pretty sure Boney said 10 in expectation of us never doing it.

What the fuck.
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I doubt Boney would ever put an option in front of us with the full expectation that he can predict we would never go for it.

Frankly, he seems quite clear here.
LockedMind said:
I'm pretty sure they meant "can we spend favor while doing gacha to auto-succeed scheduling roll and try to learn all remaining spells", not "can we spend favor instead of AP to learn spells". Is your answer still the same in that interpretation?
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BoneyM said:
Oh, that makes more sense. 10 favour.
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TotallyNotEvil said:
There are five spells left over.

We are spending about 8 favor to save, what, one action?

Very bad trade.
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This is Redshirt's reasoning.

Redshirt Army said:
10 Favors for the spell learning action is actually pretty reasonable when we break it down.

We currently have four spells we want to learn, ignoring Shadow of Death since it's redundant.

Learning them would take at least three actions - one for Invisibility, one for the two partials, and one dedicated action for Cloak Intent, since at that point taking the gacha would be a coinflip between a useful spell and a useless one.

Those three actions would cost two Favor on their own, so combining it all into one action basically costs us 4 Favor per action saved, with the added benefit of giving us the College's higher baseline bonus to learning the Partially Complete spells.

4 College Favor is basically the amount we get from Serenity each turn, so turning it into an AP is basically trading the Serenity writing action for an actual action - a trade I'd take any day.
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das_slash said:
We usually get value for our favor (books excepted), so unless you are right and it was Boney being cheeky we should get something nice.
... Please tell me it wasn't him being cheeky.
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He had 7 hours of that plan being up before going offline that he could have corrected it if he was.

It'll be fine.
 
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We're trading it for changing a low chance of picking up a negatrait relating to infiltration into a negligible chance.

AND picking up all the spells we want and saving the AP.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Oh no, I understand that we can clearly do it.

I just expect that such a price was a "for a couple million dollars, sure I can sell you the car" kind of thing.

A price given in expectation the potential buyer would not take it, because who would?
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We've got a pretty good amount of favor right now. Should be able to get at least a few more this turn from the Waagh paper.

Was there something specific you wanted to buy, or did you want to save up for a rainy day?
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
There are five spells left over.

We are spending about 8 favor to save, what, one action?

Very bad trade.
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If we succeed we fill out our entire sub-battle-magic spell book, potentially netting us another +1 to magic this year. Like, yeah, it's ludicrously expensive, but we're not getting nothing out of it; it's about the same expenditure for the same benefits as spending that much on dragonbone would be (keeping in mind that dragonbone staff material is also a gamble on whether or not we'll mess up when using it).
TotallyNotEvil said:
Oh no, I understand that we can clearly do it.

I just expect that such a price was a "for a couple million dollars, sure I can sell you the car" kind of thing.

A price given in expectation the potential buyer would not take it, because who would?
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If Boney really felt like that, they had a few hours of question answering after that judgement where they could have clarified it.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Ten favour is insanely expensive, does that guarantee learning the spells?

Didn't know we could even do that.

@edit: 10 favor for five attempts, as opposed to one favor for one-four?

I'm pretty sure Boney said 10 in expectation of us never doing it.

What the fuck.
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Not one-four. For one thing, the gacha doesn't take into account just the spells we don't know but also all the spells in the spell-book. The more spells we know, the less likely we are to learn multiple spells.
 
Mopman43 said:
We've got a pretty good amount of favor right now. Should be able to get at least a few more this turn from the Waagh paper.

Was there something specific you wanted to buy, or did you want to save up for a rainy day?
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Flame Storm, (13-16 favors, depending if boosted versions exist), Speed of Light (10 favor).
chocolote12 said:
If we succeed we fill out our entire sub-battle-magic spell book, potentially netting us another +1 to magic this year. Like, yeah, it's ludicrously expensive, but we're not getting nothing out of it; it's about the same expenditure for the same benefits as spending that much on dragonbone would be (keeping in mind that dragonbone staff material is also a gamble on whether or not we'll mess up when using it).
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If we succeed is a big if, for starters.
 
Quest said:
Not one-four. For one thing, the gacha doesn't take into account just the spells we don't know but also all the spells in the spell-book. The more spells we know, the less likely we are to learn multiple spells.
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That's what the availability roll is for.

Worst case, we are guaranteed the chance of trying for at least one spell.
veekie said:
The Favor cost is to lock the Gacha specifically to the spells we need rather than wandering around and seeing what class is open
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I'm aware what it's doing.

I find it overpriced. It's spending Favor to save AP, but this ratio is too high.

A good gacha roll could finish the entire spell list that we care about.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
If we succeed is a big if, for starters.
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If we couldn't succeed here, we wouldn't have succeeded in the base invisibility option. That would have meant a negative trait.

I disagree with your value judgement of college favor vs ap but in this case we are also trading one roll to prevent a nega-trait for three rolls to prevent a nega-trait.
 
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To say nothing of putting Max, the metallurgy focused wizard, on researching an anatomy book that's in a language no one speaks.

Not on the firearms, not on the ratling gun, not on the magical throwing star.

On a freaking anatomy book.

I spend one day away, and this is what happens?!
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