Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Heh, now I'm imagining that it's basically Winter Wyvern from Dota and it's actually an aspiring author looking to get it's novels published.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
The problem with the Dragon is two part. If the dwarves had no claims here, the dragon would be much easier to ally with. But the Dwarves will claim the dragon's home and hoard as stolen, and so won't be able to reason with the dragon unless it leaves, which it won't, because it won't view it that way.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
The Shadowed Sentinel
Considered that, but then remembered that there are some mountains (or hills? or something?) named "the Sentinels" right within Karak Eight Peaks. Felt like it would be name or brand dilution or confusion, to name something "X Sentinel" while having two peaks (or whatever they are? seriously, what the heck are the Sentinels? And if they're 2 mountains, then why the heck isn't it Karak Ten Peaks?) that are named The Sentinels.
- Location
- Canada
Dragons usually spend most of their time in slumber, the older they are the longer they tend to sleep
Though I suppose there must be exceptions, like Deathfang
Why this is isn't fully understood, there was once a time when they were far more active, but as time has moved on most dragons have fallen into increasing periods of slumber
Point is, this Ice Dragon would probably not make a very good Thane, even assuming it wouldn't take the insinuation that it's subordinate to Belegar poorly
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- Location
- Philippines
Is the whole clan Moulder extinct or wipe out of this world, or just a small expedition of their forces sent to eight peaks from wherever their main base is?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
A single hundred probably wouldn't buy some of that, not from an Emperor dragon. They've got disproportionate effects, but it's a lot to demand of somebody who lives in a cave you're telling them you own.
Basically, as this looks it has to fight because some other guy said so, and also it loses a bunch of its neat treasure without getting any new treasure. In return it gets... Intellectual stimulation? A position as middle management for a particularly short person?
It just so happens that there are a relative bazillion runesmiths running around at the moment, though. They're not above making small neat things. It might be well within their skills to take some precious metals and forge them into treasures fit for a dragon's hoard. Like, a simple ball of silver with a rune of light on it would be astoundingly pretty, one would imagine.
If you want to mess with a dragon's hoard, you need to at least offer to leave it as nice as you found it. Bribe the dragon who has a magic hoard with another magic hoard, except prettier. The dwarves get their sentimental value, and the dragon gets more shiny things.
It's admittedly tricky, but until the dwarves actually demand that the dragon leaves and it refuses, there's some room for negotiation. A positive outcome would require a realpolitik polite fiction along the lines of "technically we could demand you leave but we have chosen to grant you the right to stay". This would probably be impossible with most dwarven kings, but....
What's one more lie in the war for dwarven survival, right?
I dunno, if a wild dragon ever wanted to get something from trade, I feel like it would decide to do so from a position of power and dominance; i.e. it would be less "trade" or "salary" and more "GIVE TRIBUTE UNTO SMAUG." Especially Emperor Dragons.
Also, I feel like it can do a lot of collateral damage to us, than we can to it. i.e. We'd be living near something that, if it ever got pissed off, it could wipe out tens of thousands of civilians easy. And then mulch an army, to boot. That is not something you feel comfortable with. Not from a source that is a singular being, and could do this on its own. And is known for its... well, let's say temperament, or pride, or greed.
I think any "deal" involving "paying a salary" to a dragon -- one you just ran into in the wide world; not, like, an Ulthuan dragon you ran into or something -- would involve ruinous costs at best. I'd feel more comfortable trying to bribe and tempt a dragon for a one-off bit of assistance, than to living next-door to it.
Also, I feel like it can do a lot of collateral damage to us, than we can to it. i.e. We'd be living near something that, if it ever got pissed off, it could wipe out tens of thousands of civilians easy. And then mulch an army, to boot. That is not something you feel comfortable with. Not from a source that is a singular being, and could do this on its own. And is known for its... well, let's say temperament, or pride, or greed.
I think any "deal" involving "paying a salary" to a dragon -- one you just ran into in the wide world; not, like, an Ulthuan dragon you ran into or something -- would involve ruinous costs at best. I'd feel more comfortable trying to bribe and tempt a dragon for a one-off bit of assistance, than to living next-door to it.
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A lot really hinges on the personality of this particular dragon, and that's probably quantum at this point. That is, a high roll and it turns out this dragon has always been interested in learning more about the small ones. A low roll and, "GIVE TRIBUTE UNTO SMAUG".
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Moulder's main stronghold is Hellpit, by Kislev. This was just a looting expedition.
The latter.
Heck, with the silk production tribute can be tolerated, the dragon doesn't even need to do anything except live there, its zone denial just by dint of that, and its a zone Belegar wouldn't need for centuries.
The hard part is keeping idiots out of their hoard the whole time.
- Location
- Canada
"When the Old Ones first crafted their Gates from the substance of stars, I was there to assist their labour. Down the long ages I have come, watching the rise and fall of you lesser races and your civilisations. I've laid waste to knights and cities, burned fields and routed armies in my years. I could tell you much of the world that you have forgotten and more that you never knew, but I think not. You and yours are suited for nothing more than to provide me with amusement and the occasional graceful bauble for my lair. I see little else worthwhile about you."
—Brinrairdih, also known as the "The Storm that Roars", Ancient Wyrm
- Location
- Canada
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
And to expand on what @CrimsonOddball said, it'd have been 20 Favor to get a College P/Matriarch usually, but Algard gave us a discount because he likes towers.
It's pure speculation, but the Supreme Patriarch is probably either not available for mere favors, or costs 40 to match the prior progression.
It's pure speculation, but the Supreme Patriarch is probably either not available for mere favors, or costs 40 to match the prior progression.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
Just going to shill for adding Und to the tower's name again. Given it means (watch)tower, it conveys being a sentinel or guardian, without actually saying either word.
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- They/It
Just gotta spend that great deed on borrowing the battle wizards for an afternoon, kick a dragon's ass, and then we can smooth out any excess favour debt by parcelling out some dragon guts.
The skeleton is all ours though. If a wand's only benefit is that it's easier to hold in exchange for much more difficulty in making it, we should be able to carve an entire dragon skeleton into a staff easy peasy!
The skeleton is all ours though. If a wand's only benefit is that it's easier to hold in exchange for much more difficulty in making it, we should be able to carve an entire dragon skeleton into a staff easy peasy!
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I'm not sure if we can send that many battle wizards, because a LOT of them are going to die trying here.
- Pronouns
- They/It
In that case I guess we'll just have to farm a good pile of great deeds and spend them on making all of the patriarchs do our dragon slaying for us! 🧙♂️
Nah, you want something like Urannon's Thunderbolt from Azyr, assuming that it benefits from the Celestial College lore attribute of being more effective against flying targets.
Provide evidence for your assertion that the Rangers are wrong that it's an Ice Dragon, rather than some weaker type. The current evidence we have is that it is an Emperor Dragon.
Correction: College Patriarch is not normally available for favors, but Algard decided it was interesting, and so took over from whichever Magister Lord we would have gotten otherwise.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
I'm not saying they are (I did originally, because I hadn't noticed an author's note). I'm saying that the snow line alone is not an indication it's an Ice Dragon (as an aside, the weaker ones are called Frost Dragons).
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
The dwarven ranger called it enough evidence. I think they'd know better than you?
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And we're not saying that's the only evidence. The rangers reported it was an Ice Dragon, exact level of evidence unspecified, but enough for Dreng. You may not be meaning to, but you're calling him incompetent by assuming that the evidence was insufficient to conclude that it is, in fact, an Ice Dragon.