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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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NavySeel said:
I don't agree, I think constantly bringing Abelheim into who Mathilde is allowed to be attracted to is pretty weird.

Also a crush she had several years ago really isn't something I think should factor into things.
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While the feelings were not reciprocated by Abelheim they were very strong on Mathilde's part. She threatened to kill multiple people when he was dying and was going to follow through if they didn't obey her. She was still... basicly obsesed with him until very recently in quest time and transfering that to his daughter just feels skeevy.

For example, you find a pet at a pet shop that you adore but before you can buy it it dies. But good news! before it died it had a child, one that you manage to adopt. However, you call the child the same name as the pet you couldn't get, get angry when it acts differently than the original did and try to make it conform to your vision of what the pet you couldn't get would have been like.

Axel Fones said:
I think that "goats for the goat throne" tag is new?

Also how do you do the blur effect instead of using a spoiler box? On my phone if that changes anything.
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Instead of using [ Spoiler][ /Spoiler] use [ ISpoiler][ /ISpoiler].

Edit: Wow. I was Ninja'd so hard right now.
 
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CrimsonOddball said:
It's a bit weird, but for me I never read her attraction as anything more than a crush, a silly little thing that never really went more than surface level deep
I've said that I didn't get more than a close friendship with mentor overtones between Mathilde and Abelhelm, I mean he's actually old enough to be her father after all
So I wouldn't be overly bothered if Roswita romance happened, that being said I don't see much romance there either, too much baggage
They're still tiptoeing at the precipice between mutual respect and tentative friendship,
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I think it was but a crash - but then Abel died, became idealised and the strength of relationship became upgraded posthumously.

In life, he was but a crush. In death, he became the love of our life.
 
[ ] Plan SuperSonicSound tentative
-[] Learn Invisibility
-[] Lean Queekish from Qreech, use the lie that we don't want to travel Altdorf to get the translation materials from our superiors and that we want to use the information to attack traitor clan Mors who are winning against the local forces of Skyre and Eshin.
--[] Use deceiver coin on Qreech.
-[] Make AV a work project (Do AV research)
-[] Go to Grey college to learn how to make power stones.
 
Roswita being afraid that Mathilde will spontaneously combust at any given moment might put a slight damper on the romance, yes.

Though it still makes her the easiest on-screen Van Hal to romance...
 
Lupercal said:
While the feelings were not reciprocated by Abelheim they were very strong on Mathilde's part. She threatened to kill multiple people when he was dying and was going to follow through if they didn't obey her. She was still... basicly obsesed with him until very recently in quest time and transfering that to his daughter just feels skeevy.
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Yeah, as her friend who was dying. Mathilde most certainly didn't feel anywhere near as romantically about him as this implies, because there was an entire vote about how we felt about romantic stuff and he didn't win it.
 
Kornet said:
I think it was but a crash - but then Abel died, became idealised and the strength of relationship became upgraded posthumously.

In life, he was but a crush. In death, he became the love of our life.
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Eeeh, nope not feeling it

It's possible to feel that kind of attachment, that kind of love, without that love being romantic in nature

Mathilde cared for Abelhelm, he was important to her, she did not have a romantic relationship with him
He wasn't the love of her life, and posthumously upgrading him to such a position is honestly unhealthy
She had a crush on him, I don't know where it came from but emotions are messy like that, still that crush was only a tiny part of their relationship, it never went anywhere so it never had any opportunity to become more than a passing fancy, a little daydream of what if
Which is probably for the best, there was waaay to much for a straightforward healthy relationship in the way
 
Kornet said:
I think it was but a crash - but then Abel died, became idealised and the strength of relationship became upgraded posthumously.

In life, he was but a crush. In death, he became the love of our life.
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I think Kornet has got it right here. Its gotten bigger the longer he's been dead. I think at the time, it was just a small crush. it might have grown, or might have died, given time - but how much does she, in character (not the thread) actually think about him? I think (partially due to @Omegahugger's endless pushing (no insult intended)) the view of the relationship between them has grown.

As to the point about threatening to kill people, while I think the relationship status romantically has been vastly over exaggerated since the time, we were very close friends, and that was a fairly understandable emotional state to be in.

I'm not going to offer my opinion on Roswita as a romantic partner, though my personal headcanon of Ace/Aro Mathilde is well documented; not to say I dont have ships I prefer and ones I dont.
 
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CrimsonOddball said:
He wasn't the love of her life, and posthumously upgrading him to such a position is honestly unhealthy
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I never said it was particualry healthy or good for Mathilde.

Still, this is how I see her character and her actions.

And it kind of was the accepted consensus at least during the Big Libris Mortis debate, where both sides made argument based on Abel being Mathilde's big love and I don't remember anyone contesting it at the time.
 
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Lupercal said:
While the feelings were not reciprocated by Abelheim they were very strong on Mathilde's part. She threatened to kill multiple people when he was dying and was going to follow through if they didn't obey her. She was still... basicly obsesed with him until very recently in quest time and transfering that to his daughter just feels skeevy.

For example, you find a pet at a pet shop that you adore but before you can buy it it dies. But good news! before it died it had a child, one that you manage to adopt. However, you call the child the same name as the pet you couldn't get, get angry when it acts differently than the original did and try to make it conform to your vision of what the pet you couldn't get would have been like.
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Obsessed is really pushing it, Mathilde has been mostly over this since we took the first few peaks, and that's a decent period of time ago.

Not to mention not matter when it happened she has gotten over it.
The whole replacement goldfish argument really doesn't hold water in my opinion either since the people who want to go for Roswita don't want it because of her connection to him, she's her own person with far more interesting traits than "Abelheim's daughter" it's honestly the least interesting part of her in my opinion.
 
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CrimsonOddball said:
Eeeh, nope not feeling it

It's possible to feel that kind of attachment, that kind of love, without that love being romantic in nature

Mathilde cared for Abelhelm, he was important to her, she did not have a romantic relationship with him
He wasn't the love of her life, and posthumously upgrading him to such a position is honestly unhealthy
She had a crush on him, I don't know where it came from but emotions are messy like that, still that crush was only a tiny part of their relationship, it never went anywhere so it never had any opportunity to become more than a passing fancy, a little daydream of what if
Which is probably for the best, there was waaay to much for a straightforward healthy relationship in the way
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I do believe that's @Kornet's point (correct me if I'm wrong): the thread has overblown how big the relationship was.

EDIT: I think I have misunderstood Kornet's point. I thought they were arguing that, OOC, the thread had grown the relationship status multiple sizes, while I think that they were actually arguing that, in character, it has grown since Ablehelm died.
 
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Of course, by the odds Mathilde probably just isn't into women. Could be of course, but most people are heterosexual.

Heh, reminds me of how the Forge of Destiny quest set up an epic romantic moment and then like, "Sorry peeps, but I rolled the dice and the protagonist is straight. You're just going to have to deal."
 
Shadowatcher said:
I do believe that's @Kornet's point (correct me if I'm wrong): the thread has overblown how big the relationship was.
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Yes. But I also think that it's not only the thread but Mathilde also has overblown how big the relationship was. Battle of Drakenhoff was very traumatic to her, and this is one of the ways it haunts her.
 
NavySeel said:
Obsessed is really pushing it, Mathilde has been mostly over this since we took the first few peaks, and that's a decent period of time ago.

Not to mention not matter when it happened she has gotten over it.
The whole replacement goldfish argument really doesn't hold water in my opinions n either since the people who want to go for Roswita don't want it because of her connection to him, she's her own person with far more interesting traits than "Abelheim's daughter" it's honestly the least interesting part of her in my opinion.
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Hmm. I'm still not a fan of the ship but people over the last couple of pages have made some good arguments so I'll drop my replacment goldfish complaint and just say I like Johann's Glorious Golden Abs better.;)
 
Briefvoice said:
Of course, by the odds Mathilde probably just isn't into women. Could be of course, but most people are heterosexual.

Heh, reminds me of how the Forge of Destiny quest set up an epic romantic moment and then like, "Sorry peeps, but I rolled the dice and the protagonist is straight. You're just going to have to deal."
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yrsillar never rolled the dice on that; Ling Qi was always heterosexual, and you could see it from around week 1 when she oggled Elder Zhou abs.
 
I think people are both blowing out of proportion and downplaying how Mathilde felt about Abelheim's, he was her friend, her liege, a very important person in her life and she idolized him to a certain extent, but the romantic feelings weren't a very big part of that.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
Quite sure there are only 3 spells left so they'd all be learned.
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'Spell gacha' does not work like that, with a guaranteed return. :)
With ever-fewer spells be learned, the chances of someone teaching what we want randomly decreases.

No, the proper spells learning actions- over a few turns- are
[] Targeted learning of Invisibility
[] Master the two Fiendish spells we've partially learned
[] Targeted learning of Cloak Activity.

Once we learn that fourth additional spell, it should put us up to Magic 8, with the attendant benefit to our spellcasting.
 
Briefvoice said:
Of course, by the odds Mathilde probably just isn't into women. Could be of course, but most people are heterosexual.

Heh, reminds me of how the Forge of Destiny quest set up an epic romantic moment and then like, "Sorry peeps, but I rolled the dice and the protagonist is straight. You're just going to have to deal."
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That is really bad game design IMO. The players are the ones in charge of the protagonist's actions and preferences. Fencing off his/her sexuality and deciding it by dice of all things more than a little absurd.
 
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