- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
🤷♂️ don't know what to tell you.
I could easily believe that the word for "unyieldingly durable" and "mountain" are the same word. Or that writers got confused and tripped over each other.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
I could easily believe that the word for "unyieldingly durable" and "mountain" are the same word. Or that writers got confused and tripped over each other.
Tomb kings first.
Gotta get that rep up. Lizardmen are harder to impress into not killing you than the 'Tomb Kings'.
They did teach the Elves but that's just because they were a created race of the old ones, so maybe it's best to skip a step and find a old one to teach us or vouch if he's busy holding down a endless tide of demons or something important.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
That would make sense. Both because GW is kind of shit at having consistent lore and because Dwarves are way too attached to their mountains.
Also 'Big Stony Stone Place' is a hilarious name. Like, everytime you welcome someone there you have to remember that you're saying hello, welcome to Big Stony Stone place.
Yeah, but first, that's battle magic, and therefore super dangerous and unreliable. Second, the magic properties of someone turning into a dragon using Ghur may be complety different from a straight up dragon. Even if it counts as a "true" dragon, and it may well not, it's probably super full of Ghur, while non-wizard dragons can probably have a whole range of magic winds in there.
Exactly. Hitching a ride to Barak Varr or Zhufbar is simple enough but unless we get assigned gyrobombers for high impact diplomacy or the like*, taking them away from their semi-regular flights within the Karak Anzor should be a big deal.
@BoneyM Maybe a system like:
When taking a gyrocoptor beyond the KA**:
1st trip to 1st destination each round: 0 DF
1st trip to subsequent destinations: 2 DF
Further actions in those locations: 1 DF each
Keeping a 'coptor on call at the far end: 2 DF
Extra capacity e.g. gyrobomber: 1 DF
Cunningly consolidating trips: -1 DF
Losing a Gyrocopter: 1 very awkward conversation.
Spending cap: 5DF / turn. Even for Mathilde travel times add up and availability is limited.
We have a nice DF surplus normally so unless it looks like we might hit the cap it's probably simplest to just calculate what we spent at the end of the round.
*In which case it's Belegar's big deal.
** Southern Sylvania and the eastern Border Princes are within easy Shadow Mount of Zhufbar and Barak Varr respectively.
Stranger1950
Worth It
- Location
- Reverse Side of the World
[x] King Belegar, to try to get some idea of where he's at with his crisis of faith.
[x] Empress 'Heidi', to be present for the birth of her child
[x] Princess Edda, on a hunt for weavers across the Empire.
[x] Algard, reporting the Skaven Civil War in person instead of in writing.
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.
While Rossie reaction to the battle mages showing off would be hilarious, I do want to see what our fief is doing. It would be remiss of us to ignore it too long.
[x] Empress 'Heidi', to be present for the birth of her child
[x] Princess Edda, on a hunt for weavers across the Empire.
[x] Algard, reporting the Skaven Civil War in person instead of in writing.
[X] Check in on your fief in Stirland.
While Rossie reaction to the battle mages showing off would be hilarious, I do want to see what our fief is doing. It would be remiss of us to ignore it too long.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
By the way, @noliar, in between arguing with @deathofrats0808 about Khazalid grammar, I found the citation I was thinking of for the existence of airmail.
I don't think it strains credulity for Mathilde to hitch rides on this, though I will admit we have to handwave her college->prisoner->college jet-setting. But we're already handwaving her prison having relocated to the second sublevel, so.
So at what point are you going to add that to your sig and enshrine it as your catch phrase?
You dare come in here and try to steal my title?!
Actually, this and ninjafish have me thinking. Our fief is the ideal place to hide the Liber Mortis, as it is so oppressively boring and unimportant that no one would ever think to look there.
The forces of evil scour the globe for where Mathilde concealed one of the most potent sand dangerous tomes of dark magic to ever be put to ink, never suspecting that it was in the reliable hands of Man-With-Slightly-Larger-Herd.
- Location
- some computer lab
firstly, not revealing the favor cost of a social turn beforehand sounds like it would lead to thermonuclear levels of salt. secondly, significant parts of the Karaz Ankor refuse to associate with us at the moment, and the gyrocoptors that would have been used for that don't just stop existing on account of it. Thirdly, we are the advisor to a dwarven king, if we're paying favor for the use of one gyrocoptor, you might as well insist that we pay dwarf favor every time we excavate a room in our penthouse.
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
This... could be a moment for Mathilde to reflect.
"I seek... something to seek"
The fief was granted to her as part of her requested reward by Abelhelm.
Mathilde has come to terms with being fired by his daughter, I think. But she still has been running from a little bit, or perhaps avoiding, his death.
But has she taken a moment since joining the Expedition to reflect? This small patch of land which she poured money into and then ignored... As posted above, how has this tiny community changed? How different are the lives of those there materially, and from that how has the culture grown?
Mathilde might not have figured out what it was she was seeking at K8P, but I think she might have found a home. And visiting the quiet place here, might help tie together into seeing how her choice of boon, to Abelhelm's death to this visit, might give her an opportunity to take stock. And maybe have closure, or as much as might be reasonable to expect. She's had distraction, and distance. Now it's time to look back.
I think, or hope, that something might like this may take place, I hope I'm making sense here.
Sometimes the still moments, where we just be and think can be good, too.
"I seek... something to seek"
The fief was granted to her as part of her requested reward by Abelhelm.
Mathilde has come to terms with being fired by his daughter, I think. But she still has been running from a little bit, or perhaps avoiding, his death.
But has she taken a moment since joining the Expedition to reflect? This small patch of land which she poured money into and then ignored... As posted above, how has this tiny community changed? How different are the lives of those there materially, and from that how has the culture grown?
Mathilde might not have figured out what it was she was seeking at K8P, but I think she might have found a home. And visiting the quiet place here, might help tie together into seeing how her choice of boon, to Abelhelm's death to this visit, might give her an opportunity to take stock. And maybe have closure, or as much as might be reasonable to expect. She's had distraction, and distance. Now it's time to look back.
I think, or hope, that something might like this may take place, I hope I'm making sense here.
Sometimes the still moments, where we just be and think can be good, too.
- Location
- Mexico
I get wanting to see our fief, I kinda wanted to dump more money in there and see what happens (before we threw all our fish back into the water), but remember, these are anarchist goat farmers.
"Best lady we ever had, never even saw her, I still talk fondly about her from time to time"
"I though we were an anarcho socialist commune?"
"The messenger from the great goat in the sky comes and goes, who knows his beardly designs"
"Best lady we ever had, never even saw her, I still talk fondly about her from time to time"
"I though we were an anarcho socialist commune?"
"The messenger from the great goat in the sky comes and goes, who knows his beardly designs"
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I square that particular circle as an example of them being the same word with multiple context determined meanings.
While we're at it, I think that your concerns, certainly valid, could have been worded less strongly.
This looks premature to me. This social turn's leading choices can be easily described as a one week long important job-related/diplomatic trip with two flights in it, which is a reasonable thing.
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- Pronouns
- She/Her
From Grudgelore (A Dwarf sourcebook from 2008)
Page 93: Khazalid Lexicon
K
Karag - Volcano or baren mountain
Karak - Enduring
Karaz - Mountain
Note the same root word followed by different signifiers.
The Root word is Kar, which means Big Stone.
The signifier -ag, which means [the book doesn't say
].
The signifier -ak, which means that the word is a concept.
The signifier -az, which means a specific physical thing or place. I.e A mountain not mountains in general.
Page 93: Khazalid Lexicon
K
Karag - Volcano or baren mountain
Karak - Enduring
Karaz - Mountain
Note the same root word followed by different signifiers.
The Root word is Kar, which means Big Stone.
The signifier -ag, which means [the book doesn't say
].The signifier -ak, which means that the word is a concept.
The signifier -az, which means a specific physical thing or place. I.e A mountain not mountains in general.
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
Why did he decide to practice his juggling with deadly poisoned throwing stars? We may never know. What we do know is that Max was beloved by his friends and appreciated by his coworkers-
I blame myself, honestly, for never spending an action exploring his past as an circus clown.
"Psst who's the shadowy figure at the back"
"Don't point at Magister Weber, idiot"
Soon. The meme is still gathering steam. But soon.
The first one to suggest pistols at dawn to settle matters loses.You dare come in here and try to steal my title?!
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
The issue, which @deathofrats0808 was not wrong in pointing out, is that "ankor" means "domain/realm," so for "karaz ankor" to mean "everlasting realm" either the suffix -az is a lie or dwarves are being weirdly specific about what concepts actually qualify as a specific physical thing.Note the same root word followed by different signifiers.
The Root word is Kar, which means Big Stone.
The signifier -ag, which means [the book doesn't say
The signifier -ak, which means that the word is a concept.
The signifier -az, which means a specific physical thing or place.
Like, it works from where I'm sitting for the word everlasting/unyielding/immortal in Khazalid to just be "mountain." It just amuses me to imagine dwarves insisting that Khazalid has no metaphors, unlike your ridiculous umgi languages, and then throwing "karaz ankor" in their faces.
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I keep telling you people, shadow in the east is a classic. And the tower is in the easternmost mountain of K8P iirc.
You're not helping the case that Mathilde's not a unknowning Tzeentchizan agent you know.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Hey now, they aren't entirely anarchistic, they clearly rely on Man-With-Slightly-Larger-Herd for his sage advice and wisdom.
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- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
Two things, second thing: I would prefer we not attempt to leave the Liber Mortis in our fief, not because it is a bad idea, but because the in-thread arguments between wether or not to leave it with the double bluff (of predictability) of Man-With-Slightly-Larger-Herd or the triple bluff (of predictability) Man-With-Median-Sized-Herd will cause constant thread locks. Constant.
First thing: Hi, I make and enjoy in a very unironic manner; dad jokes.
If the QM considers it worthwhile feedback it still won't affect how they judge the current vote. This turn will go by this turn's rules.
In subsequent turns, constraints make for better questing IMO. That's why I'm arguing for them.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
It's not even a risk analysis. It's just how people behave. It is simply another example of the Pareto distribution. 20% of characters in this quest will get 80% of the screen time. 20% of cities have 80% of the population that live in cities. 20% of meteorites have 80% of meteorite mass. 20% of oil fields have 80% of the oil. 20% of a persons Steam library gets 80% of the play time. I understand you may feel frustrated but to me it's being frustrated at the tides or the sun rising. It's just something that seems for some reason to be baked into reality. If you want to get a character into the 20% you have to fight really really hard. The Pareto distribution is not something that is solved passively.
Then fight it. You will be fighting the Pareto distribution which means you will need to work really really hard to change who has screen time. You need to get their names talked about constantly. You need to create compelling arguments and then never let anyone forget those arguments. The problem is not something that will be solved passively.
- Location
- some computer lab
is it bad that I want to learn how to punch good from Mr. Punch Priest? I think that might help us make our Brahnulhune style better.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Quote page 88: "...That much is easy - unfortunately there are many things that the dwarfs regard as so real and solid that the -az signifier is used even though thay are talking about somthing which is neither a place or a material object! For example..."
I'd get on my high horse about it but my first language is english so my high ground is 6' beneath the earth.
Anyway Karaz means both any given specific mountain "that Karaz over there" and, because mountains are everlasting, also refers to something that cannot be destroyed/will not decay.
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- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
From the Dwarves perspective, we would be the shadow from the west, however.