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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Darik29 said:
So I just had a thought.

correct me if I'm wrong, but in the presence of Warpstone, does Aether Vitae become more Warpstone? Or just flash over into a massive surge of wild Dhar?

I ask, because I just remembered that Skaven use Warpstone as Currency, and I'm betting there's a treasury somewhere down below us.

What would happen if Mathilde threw an entire gallon of Aether on top of said Warpstone treasury, and would she be able to outrun or ignore the ensuing incident thanks to her belt?
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It becomes dhar. We did that test during the test vitae action.
 
Darik29 said:
So I just had a thought.

correct me if I'm wrong, but in the presence of Warpstone, does Aether Vitae become more Warpstone? Or just flash over into a massive surge of wild Dhar?

I ask, because I just remembered that Skaven use Warpstone as Currency, and I'm betting there's a treasury somewhere down below us.

What would happen if Mathilde threw an entire gallon of Aether on top of said Warpstone treasury, and would she be able to outrun or ignore the ensuing incident thanks to her belt?
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We know what it does from the update we studied it, it becomes an ass load of Dhar.

There'd be lots of fire and then probably rolls not to die from smoke inhalation and escape.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Not interested at all, the We is a singular entity spread over many nodes. It's one soul spread wide, I expect there to be zero way to replicate the effect. You've already made it clear you don't care about Ulgu tongs and think it's not viable. *shrug* as to your comments about it just making more Dhar, sure that's a possibility I've always said it could be a dead end. I just highly doubt it because we've seen that Winds interact with out making Dhar so there pretty much has to be a way to do it manually. Nothing that happens in nature is entirely impossible to replicate if you can work out how and have the correct tools. We communication isn't something we can replicate with out learning how to make souls.

Ulgu tongs is an easier prospect than coming up with a viable radio off what is a soul based hive mind.

Also more importantly if we want a magical radio Wolf is right there.
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To be utterly fair, and in the name of SCIENCE, if there is anyway to get magical long range communication, Ulgu is probably one of the better ones for it, what with its focus on the mind and information and perception and what not.

Although Azyr is probably even better what with it being able to make thing's known whereas Ulgu obscures thing's.

I suppose you could get teleporting Illusionary messengers out of Ulgu though.

Might be something worth trying at some point, Rapid Long range communication was one of those things that changed the world irl.
 
DragonParadox said:
Also we probably should not use the priceless magical reagent as an improvised weapon.
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Yeahhhhhh. Though the skunkworks option to figure out how to use it as a weapon is useful for both the most obvious, learning how to use it as one, and for safety reasons. Particularly if it ever leaves our hands, because if we know how it can be weaponized we can anticipate how someone else might weaponize it if they go bad.
 
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SuperSonicSound said:
Alright, fine lets assume I agree, if I support a vote to do this will you support a vote to do the same check on Ulgu tongs so we can dispel the speculation on both?
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While such arrangements can work they require trust from both parties. I have been very aggressive in my dismissal of Ulgu tongs just as you have been fairly aggressive in your dismissal of any research outside of thaumaturgy, Ulgu tongs, and snake juice.

If there was a plan that did both options at once I would vote for that. Otherwise we would both be pointing fingers at each other and saying to go first. Which helps no one.
 
Neshuakadal said:
While such arrangements can work they require trust from both parties. I have been very aggressive in my dismissal of Ulgu tongs just as you have been fairly aggressive in your dismissal of any research outside of thaumaturgy, Ulgu tongs, and snake juice.

If there was a plan that did both options at once I would vote for that. Otherwise we would both be pointing fingers at each other and saying to go first. Which helps no one.
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I would be happy to support a plan with both but I think we should see how the turn shakes out first and how many actions we have to spare.
 
Neshuakadal said:
While such arrangements can work they require trust from both parties. I have been very aggressive in my dismissal of Ulgu tongs just as you have been fairly aggressive in your dismissal of any research outside of thaumaturgy, Ulgu tongs, and snake juice.

If there was a plan that did both options at once I would vote for that. Otherwise we would both be pointing fingers at each other and saying to go first. Which helps no one.
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There's prior form with regards to the Snake juice votes in the past, but that's fair I'll put together a plan next turn with such, assuming that Belegar isn't going to pass us a task that leaves no space for research.
 
I really think we should focus on Theurgy (as I've said before) because I expect the Lore of Ranald to help our dice rolls, which would be huge.
 
Abhorsen said:
I really think we should focus on Theurgy (as I've said before) because I expect the Lore of Ranald to help our dice rolls, which would be huge.
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Personally I doubt we're gonna get Lore of Ranald cross over from our Theurgy research since we aren't actually being a priest, but doing a process that is rather different. (Plus dice adders are uh... kinda problematic if not tightly controlled for what should be obvious power creep reasons)
 
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Adela Burgstaller, Journeywoman of the Bright Order
Armament: Wand
Speciality: ???
Mission: Engineering
Martial: 13 - Military training has elevated badness to mere mediocrity.
Learning: 16 - Adela has an affinity for both the fires of Aqshy and industry.
Magic: 4 - Her reach is impressive, but she really should let her grasp catch up.

Burgher: Adela comes from a middle-class urban family.
Flame Saber: Adela is growing increasingly skilled with the Flaming Sword of Rhun.
Wand of Aqshy: Adela's self-created and very short 'staff' is filled with gaseous Aqshy, allowing her to rapidly cast spells that manifest as various forms of fire.
Uncanny Memory: Adela has an amazing ability to retain information.

Known Spells:
Aethyric Armour
Fires of U'Zhul
Flaming Sword of Rhun
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Looks like Adela's improved her Martial by a point, and has decided to focus on how to Sword better.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Lore of Ranald would be pure divine casting, we can't do that with out damaging our ability to use Ulgu.
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Well, yeah, that's the point of Theurgy though, is to somewhat solve that. And I don't have a name for what comes out, so I used lore of Ranald as a placeholder. Regardless, given who Ranald is, I would expect that there would be some dice modifications. It would be limited I expect, as relying too much on Ranald leads to problems in Lore, and BoneyM doesn't want the game to break. I could see something like rolling with advantage on something, a la D&D 5th, or something.
 
Abhorsen said:
Well, yeah, that's the point of Theurgy though, is to somewhat solve that. And I don't have a name for what comes out, so I used lore of Ranald as a placeholder. Regardless, given who Ranald is, I would expect that there would be some dice modifications. It would be limited I expect, as relying too much on Ranald leads to problems in Lore, and BoneyM doesn't want the game to break. I could see something like rolling with advantage on something, a la D&D 5th, or something.
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From what I've read from this thread's constant speculation on Theurgy, the point isn't to cast the Divine Lore of Ranald. It's supposedly to make casting safer by invoking Ranald to help us out, kinda like what he did with us and Gork/Mork.

In the end, it's highly theoretical and I'm pretty sure most people who want Theurgy aren't even sure what they're going to get or agree universally on what they want.
 
Codex said:
From what I've read from this thread's constant speculation on Theurgy, the point isn't to cast the Divine Lore of Ranald. It's supposedly to make casting safer by invoking Ranald to help us out, kinda like what he did with us and Gork/Mork.

In the end, it's highly theoretical and I'm pretty sure most people who want Theurgy aren't even sure what they're going to get or agree universally on what they want.
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Mhmm, pretty much where I am, if we get anything at all.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
It's why I think we should give all of them actions a hit to see what happens and then move from there depending on results.
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I would definitely be down with this. Give all of our major research projects a initial attempt to see where they could go, then prioritize from there. I mean, if our expected results are wildly off target in either direction (useful vs non-useful), I'd like to know upfront before investing time into them.
 
Codex said:
From what I've read from this thread's constant speculation on Theurgy, the point isn't to cast the Divine Lore of Ranald. It's supposedly to make casting safer by invoking Ranald to help us out, kinda like what he did with us and Gork/Mork.

In the end, it's highly theoretical and I'm pretty sure most people who want Theurgy aren't even sure what they're going to get or agree universally on what they want.
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I mean, its all highly theoretical and constant speculation.

that's why its a Research action
 
Abhorsen said:
I would definitely be down with this. Give all of our major research projects a initial attempt to see where they could go, then prioritize from there. I mean, if our expected results are wildly off target in either direction (useful vs non-useful), I'd like to know upfront before investing time into them.
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I'm more for a Double down on getting the Snek Juice going.

1) the Rune part could be useful soon
2) constering the... dubious... legality of the other subjects, (Theurgy is frowned upon by some parts of the College 'the Volans die-hards' for won't of a name.... and well, we all know the story about the Tongs.) a bit more rep and a 'lord' to our name might be needed for safety, the kind of things the Snek Juice could by.
 
Codex said:
In the end, it's highly theoretical and I'm pretty sure most people who want Theurgy aren't even sure what they're going to get or agree universally on what they want.
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I don't think it really matters what we want when we don't know what's available. This is why I would like to research Ranald's coin to see whats available.
 
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