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Good point. Consider my slight objections withdrawn.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Well, we don't know that they will teach them, however if it would be useful this is the kind of thing that would take a couple of minutes to mention in a Council meeting, which Dreng can follow up if he agrees.
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- Austria
We bloody well can, because:
1. It is not a task that will take all his time.
2. We are going to assist him with his side project.
3. He is getting paid.
4. He wants Skaventech and dwarf support. He needs us more than we need him. And he knows it.
CuttleFish2.0
Friendly neighborhood cuttlefish
- Location
- Seattle, Washington.
For you. It definitely is for other people. I also don't think he's an issue, I'm hedging my bets against the possibility, but it also aligns with what I think the best use of both our and his actions are; namely not inducing a risk to the We by poking at things right next door while they're still establishing themselves. Also, getting some work out of him while he was off not helping the Hold last turn.
The thing I'm looking at here is that I think he's going to go prod Skaven whether Mathilde is with him or not, and I'd much rather he does so under her supervision, as thanks to the Coin it's much less likely to go wrong and cause the kind of issues that I think people are worried about.
It should also hopefully bring back enough loot to keep him busy for a while, which should allay fears of him needing continual supervision.
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- Everywhere
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- Australia
[X] Plan Citadel Focus
Here's why I have an issue with him, though it is by no means massive:
He hid some of his abilities during battle, which means the high command could not use him to best effect which probably cost lives. One could argue that he knew better and did not hide anything important, but he is a wizard not a general so his martial probably does not come up to snuff compared to the people eho should have been making the decisions on how to deploy him.
Corrected, but more wrong for the skaven and less wrong for us.Less.
I'm not sure he did hide some of his abilities. He revealed that he knew some fiendishly complex spells, so they may be all he knew.
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That lie wasn't "fairly innocent". The man lied to his allies, majority of them Dwarves of all people, hiding as a Journeyman when his skills were clearly greater. And for what? So he can avoid responsibility and attention and skive off with Skaven machinery? He isn't even likable! The man's entire persona is calculated and he hasn't shown any redeeming features aside from his skills. There is barely anything to like about him aside from a spell list.
CuttleFish2.0
Friendly neighborhood cuttlefish
- Location
- Seattle, Washington.
There's a concern i'd like to bring up, where do people think Johann is going to be doing his research on skaven tech? In the new shared lab space we just set up?
Remember how he disappeared immediately after the Hold was established... I'm pretty sure he used that time to scout out a location for a secret lab where he can put all his dangerous and top-secret (from imperial eyes at least) skaven investigation materials. We don't know where (or if) that is. I'm not sure we should be encouraging to be doing a lot of research on it away from our prying eyes when we haven't yet figure out if he has such a hideyhole.
That's posibile, but if so I find it very suspect that a magister could not counterspell.
[X] Plan Citadel Focus
I'd rather establish Ranald's shrine now. Sooner's better, after all. And I would rather have Max handle a spider-action, while we investigate Mors with Johann, rather than writing a paper and us also writing a paper.
I wanna get more stuff done before we start writing papers or doing research again. And Plan Citadel Focus just feels more... well, focused to me. Hm. Probably because it uses all its actions to accomplish actions, rather than spending 3 whole actions on research.
We don't really need to do research right now. Contributing to Eight Peaks in various ways or spying or stealing from its enemies, however, is pretty much always relevant.
And also I guess... I'm just not in a hurry to start doing lots of research and paper-writing. ... I guess the other options just interest me more right now? Yeah, I guess that's it. So I'd rather use our personal and Journeyman actions on either doing our job, or investigating Skaven. Teaming up with Johann to investigate the Skaven (which means asking Max to do a spider-related action) sounds pretty interesting, in fact. Learning more about Johann would be great, too. Because we haven't been able to get much of a feel for him during the expedition -- he just stuck around with the artillery, easily led conversations with us, and became estranged from Max so he didn't join the Journeymen group.
I'd also rather teach the spiders Reikspiel than Dwarf semaphore.
So... keep getting our shit together, build up our Wizard's Tower, get a feel for what Johann's like, and do things like spy on and steal from Skaven.
I'd rather establish Ranald's shrine now. Sooner's better, after all. And I would rather have Max handle a spider-action, while we investigate Mors with Johann, rather than writing a paper and us also writing a paper.
I wanna get more stuff done before we start writing papers or doing research again. And Plan Citadel Focus just feels more... well, focused to me. Hm. Probably because it uses all its actions to accomplish actions, rather than spending 3 whole actions on research.
We don't really need to do research right now. Contributing to Eight Peaks in various ways or spying or stealing from its enemies, however, is pretty much always relevant.
And also I guess... I'm just not in a hurry to start doing lots of research and paper-writing. ... I guess the other options just interest me more right now? Yeah, I guess that's it. So I'd rather use our personal and Journeyman actions on either doing our job, or investigating Skaven. Teaming up with Johann to investigate the Skaven (which means asking Max to do a spider-related action) sounds pretty interesting, in fact. Learning more about Johann would be great, too. Because we haven't been able to get much of a feel for him during the expedition -- he just stuck around with the artillery, easily led conversations with us, and became estranged from Max so he didn't join the Journeymen group.
I'd also rather teach the spiders Reikspiel than Dwarf semaphore.
So... keep getting our shit together, build up our Wizard's Tower, get a feel for what Johann's like, and do things like spy on and steal from Skaven.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Then they both hugged, tears streaming down their faces at the unjust world surrounding them filled with liars and conartists and sneaks.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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His persona is calculated? I haven't seen any realindication of that other than Mathilde thinking he's too likable.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
It's actually not all that useful if you're intending to do pure research for the most part.
And then Mathilde went back to her previous task, which was deciding between setting up a shrine to the God of Lies, establishing a spy ring among the corporation controlled by her beloved friends, or possibly taking another break to leaf through the Liber Mortis and breach like six strictures at the same time.
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- some computer lab
[X] Magical Mathilde
Valarauko
Demon of Power
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- Angband
I will echo earlier comments in being rather confused why a lot of people seem really worked up about Johann.
Yes, he lied about being a magister. What of it? He's read into the Conspiracy and is trusted by his College to go and poke skaventech and warpstone by himself. That's no small thing. It seems clear to me that Johann is here undercover on a sanctioned mission with the full backing of the Gold Order.
The only reason the Bursar told Mathilde to get involved is because the Grey Order got wind of it and were concerned for the potential diplomatic fallout from deceiving the dwarves. Notice that the Bursar (and by extension the Grey Order as a whole) has no problem with the mission itself, merely blowback.
Johann didn't tell us because we didn't have need to know; he was somewhat surprised we even knew of the skaven, meaning that not every magister is read into the conspiracy. Most gold wizards probably have little reason to be read in because they have no reason to know.
We're grey. Operational security and need to know are everyday things we fully understand. I'd say it's out of character for Mathilde to be upset by his deception for any reason other than Grey Order institutional pride in knowing all the things.
Yes, he lied about being a magister. What of it? He's read into the Conspiracy and is trusted by his College to go and poke skaventech and warpstone by himself. That's no small thing. It seems clear to me that Johann is here undercover on a sanctioned mission with the full backing of the Gold Order.
The only reason the Bursar told Mathilde to get involved is because the Grey Order got wind of it and were concerned for the potential diplomatic fallout from deceiving the dwarves. Notice that the Bursar (and by extension the Grey Order as a whole) has no problem with the mission itself, merely blowback.
Johann didn't tell us because we didn't have need to know; he was somewhat surprised we even knew of the skaven, meaning that not every magister is read into the conspiracy. Most gold wizards probably have little reason to be read in because they have no reason to know.
We're grey. Operational security and need to know are everyday things we fully understand. I'd say it's out of character for Mathilde to be upset by his deception for any reason other than Grey Order institutional pride in knowing all the things.
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We have no evidence that he underplayed his skills. He admitted that he could cast spells most jouneymen couldn't cast. Some Journeymen can be more competent than some Magisters, they've just not demonstrated they're trustworthy enough for promotion.
IIRC, he couldn't cast Dispel. From the spellbook, dispelling and counter-spelling seems like two different things. One is cancelling spells that have already been cast, the other is interfering with someone else casting a spell while they do so.