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Asides from that, what else could we reasonably ask of them, honestly? Spending a lot of effort on helping improve Kislev's fortifications, maybe? I've brought up that possibility before. Others have suggested that, if on the next arc we went to Lustria, we could ask some of the Vlag dwarfs to come along with us as a small contingent to help build stuff there.
I suppose, in the event we end up pursuing speculated Waystone Network expansion to the point of trying to drive back the Chaos Wastes, we could ask them to support and guard the logistical networks that that would entail. That's very much a 'pie in the sky' kind of idea, though.
 
For our new armor, could we go with a set of robes with a metal plate on the back that has dwarven Runes inscribed on it? Would that stack with our AA--and if it did or didn't, would it depend on which kind of runes specifically were used?

Do dwarven runes work on Ithilmar? Would be worth the Vlag boon to get the suit of ithilmar if we could get dwarven runes put on it.
 
Dwarves know exactly what Ithilmar is worth, and value it even higher for being part of their history. There still might be profit to be had here and there from arbitraging bits of it to Laurelorn, but it's a sad and gradual sort of profit to be had by spending a great deal of time building a relationship with ancient but impoverished Dwarven Clans until they agree to accept a massive amount of money for their ancestral relics and then immediately dumping it into a Laurelorn smelter for a slightly more massive amount of money.
I'm happy this isn't the "Warhammer: Profit in the Old World - A Capitalist Quest".

OK, that's my favorite use of the Vlag boon that has yet been proposed, insofar as it gets Mathilde something she would genuinely want and which is actually worth a Transcendent Boon without meaningfully affecting Vlag's prosperity the way that, say, "divert a significant chunk of your labor or material resources to X" would -- the armor doesn't help Vlag sitting in a vault, after all. And I've got to say, the prospect of rolling up to Nagarythe in ithilmar armor that she got from her dwarf friends that they had sitting around from the War of the Ancients is pretty dope in terms of the messages it sends. I don't think it makes our combat numbers go up (since it doesn't stack with AA), but it increases the most important number of all: style points.
Personally I still think that the best use of the Vlag Boon is to keep it until we need some serious construction work. I don't even think that this would be too far in the future. If we reconquer a Nexus in an unsafe place, then having Vlag build a fortress there would be ideal IMHO. And that is doubly true if we try to create a feudal fief of some kind in the reconquered area.
 
Come on. I know some of us would want to give Vlad the world's funniest surprise if he ever escapes the Sigmarites' clutches.

"There was a mountain here before. Now it's gone."
Then fill it with water and turn it into an artificial lake. Work with all the colleges, the Dwarves, the Elves, and even the Elementalists to terraform the area around Drakenhoff into a sub-tropical paradise. Vlad if he gets free: "I think I took a wrong turn somewhere..."

Edit: is it wrong that after building on the joke, I realized that I actually want to do this?
 
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I think keeping the vlag boon until a) they are more established (which is afaik is going pretty well, shouldn't be too long) and b) we actually have a need for a boon of that size is perfectly valid.
Yes we don't have a good use for it with our current mission, but that mission won't be our last one (hopefully).
If we ever need a fortress build to our specifications then I already can see this becoming very useful (and we already had some job offers where building our own castle would be hella useful.)
 
Personally I still think that the best use of the Vlag Boon is to keep it until we need some serious construction work. I don't even think that this would be too far in the future. If we reconquer a Nexus in an unsafe place, then having Vlag build a fortress there would be ideal IMHO. And that is doubly true if we try to create a feudal fief of some kind in the reconquered area.
It'd be a very strange set of circumstances for Mathilde to need a fortress constructed, and not have some polity on tap to pay for it themselves - every Nexus in the Empire can have its defences paid for by the Elector Count whose territory it resides in. It'd be insane to have to have Mathilde pay for it with her Boon.

If for some reason you wanted to construct a giant fortress the Goat Fief that might be a different story, but no one wants that.
 
It'd be a very strange set of circumstances for Mathilde to need a fortress constructed, and not have some polity on tap to pay for it themselves - every Nexus in the Empire can have its defences paid for by the Elector Count whose territory it resides in. It'd be insane to have to have Mathilde pay for it with her Boon.

If for some reason you wanted to construct a giant fortress the Goat Fief that might be a different story, but no one wants that.
I mean, I can tell you two reasons (of the top of my head) where us being able to plop down a castle would have been great. We've been offered the stewardship of Sylvania and having a dwarven keep there would just be nice. We also had the opportunity to plant our flag in the border Princes and a dwarven fortress there could easily snowball into something far greater.
 
I mean, I can tell you two reasons (of the top of my head) where us being able to plop down a castle would have been great. We've been offered the stewardship of Sylvania and having a dwarven keep there would just be nice. We also had the opportunity to plant our flag in the border Princes and a dwarven fortress there could easily snowball into something far greater.
We didn't take the Sylvania job, and if we'd needed a fortress we'd have had the resources of a province to pay for it, because Roswita's bankrolling that operation.

The Border Princess route was being bankrolled by Barak Varr to an extent, but they didn't want to make it clear how much they would be investing in it. Having a legion of dwarves come and build a fortress would have been entirely counter to that objective.

Besides which, the kind of fortress a Transcendent Boon could pay for would be massive overkill. IIRC building a dwarven fort at the Goat Fief would have taken 1000 gold, and out in the Border Princes something that size would have been enough. A Transcendent Boon would build something to rival the Imperial Palace.
 
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But yes, a lot of it is the raw style points. Silk robes, ithilmar armour, a runed gromril greatsword, a giant gold necklace with the word "MONEY" stamped out across it - Mathilde Weber, Vow of Poverty adherent extraordinaire, it's all coming together.

Funniest thing is, (with the exception of the necklace which we do not actually have), this is actually adhering to the vow of poverty to the letter, all of this bling cannot be argued to not be of direct and practical use to our cause.
 
I don't like that retroactively Mathilde got super rinsed in the Ithilmar deal when the Dwarves apparently know it's value. It also should recontextualize the dealings with Eonir to the point where its a problem.

I'll deal, but it grinds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I don't like that retroactively Mathilde got super rinsed in the Ithilmar deal when the Dwarves apparently know it's value. It also should recontextualize the dealings with Eonir to the point where its a problem.

I'll deal, but it grinds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Given Mathilde's complete ignorance of its value, the most reasonable reading is that the Queen started with a super lowball offer to haggle from, and when Mathilde proceeded to not haggle at all she just rolled with it.

Mathilde then asked for something technically worth even less than the offer but time-consuming to get ahold of, and if the person you're bartering with asks for something specific that's worth less than you're willing to give, you also generally just go along with it.

It's embarrassing for Mathilde, but not really the Eonir's fault. I suppose Mathilde could learn a lesson about being sure to gather all of the information, but ultimately this is just an unfortunate quirk of writing for a setting that gets updated; it's not Boney's fault.
 
I don't like that retroactively Mathilde got super rinsed in the Ithilmar deal when the Dwarves apparently know it's value. It also should recontextualize the dealings with Eonir to the point where its a problem.

I'll deal, but it grinds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

She only got super rinsed if you only count the labour value of the books being copied. Free unlimited access to those books forever is priceless.
 
Mathilde then asked for something technically worth even less than the offer but time-consuming to get ahold of, and if the person you're bartering with asks for something specific that's worth less than you're willing to give, you also generally just go along with it.
Well, we asked for something that the Eonir value even less, because they're still essentially not thinking of other libraries as rivals.

Given what we've seen, no other library would willingly copy out their entire corpus, including many unique or at least irreplaceable Old One writings, to another library for mere gold-equivalent value exchange.

Edit: Mathilde'd
 
They could technically come out worse, but about 2/3ds of the time they will come out better.
Math nerd here, wanted to show a few numbers.

38 average on 4d100 is actually a lot less likely than that.

0.38 x 0.38 x 0.38 x 0.38 =0.0209 is the probability that we would get that bad or a worse roll.

So, we'd have about a 98% chance of the average being higher.

We'd also have a 1 - 0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9 =1 - 0.656 = 0.344 chance of having at least one roll lower, though.
 
Like that time Ranald goosed our Magisterial exam results, right up until it was in the bag and He didn't need to put His thumb on the scales anymore.
Mathilde made in total 13 rolls (that we saw) across the examination turn proper. The average result was 62.75, (off a total of 817)- which maybe seems good-but-not-exceptional, until you realise that according to Anydice, there was only a 6.26% chance of rolling that high or better.

Given Ranald could (edit- and did!) stop weighting the odds at the point we won the first duel (in two seconds), we could also consider that we averaged (557/8) ~69 across the 8d100 until graduation was in the bag. Anydice giving us a 3.05% chance of rolling at least that high... I think it's fair to say we performed pretty exceptionally... luckily.

(In other words, if the graduation exam was a single roll, we rolled a 95, or a 98.)
 
I wanted the Von Tarnus armor (very badly) because it's a legendary item in the world, indelibly associated with legendary wizards, and inscribed with complementary aesthetics- greatswords, wizard-knights, the Key of Secrets. That's not to mention it's entirely unique practical insanity.

Ilthimar armor would give a very marginal buff just for us to say, what? That we really, really love Elves? That we're not into wizardly tradition or aesthetics? That we wanna spend boons because we don't know what to spend them on? I'm not very interested.
 
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Math nerd here, wanted to show a few numbers.

38 average on 4d100 is actually a lot less likely than that.

0.38 x 0.38 x 0.38 x 0.38 =0.0209 is the probability that we would get that bad or a worse roll.

So, we'd have about a 98% chance of the average being higher.

We'd also have a 1 - 0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9 x 0.9 =1 - 0.656 = 0.344 chance of having at least one roll lower, though.
This isn't correct - this is the odds of every dice rolling a 38 or lower, not all of them together averaging =< 38, which I imagine to be 38% on d100s.
 
She only got super rinsed if you only count the labour value of the books being copied. Free unlimited access to those books forever is priceless.
Yeah, I recall that part of what made voting for the Library of Mournings so popular back then is that since we were trading ithilmar (a military resource), you said that magical books were on the table. I suppose the only other way we'd have gotten them would have been by directly offering our help in putting down some gribblies here and there, in a meaningful way? Maybe getting a bunch of other wizards involved to help out? Who knows.

And besides the magical books, while we had access to most of the mundane books, that's because the Library of Mournings works extremely differently from human libraries, which are very careful about who they give copying rights to for a variety of reasons. One day Laurelorn elves will find out be and shocked that humans would so jealously guard their own knowledge, meager though it is. Some because of a fear of that knowledge being misused, some because other people not having your knowledge makes your books more prestigious. Competition can breed ruthlessness, in the end.

And, of course, the Old Ones scrolls are effectively priceless entirely on their own, even if they're currently indecipherable.


Speaking of priceless books, I'm still looking forward to the Karak Vlag books. It will not only be fascinating to find out what sort of nonsense the Vlagians had to endure and their doomed attempts at trying magic, but there's probably some things in there too about the actual writers of the books, the wizards of the Fire Spire.

Some of those wizards might have been the predecessors of the Colleges. Who knows what we may find out...
 
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