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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Tasoli said:
Hell it is known to bunch of people that we have Creeping Flesh. That is a book on necromancy that is not forbidden only because it is useful to doctors.

Every necromancer worth his salt would want that book. It is no liber mortis but it might rival most every other book on necromancy that anybody can't get their hands on.
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The Creeping Flesh doesn't have anything on magic, it's just made by and for necromancers for the physical aspects - stuff on corpses and whatnot. It's safe in that sense, just distasteful.
 
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Abby Normal said:
Huh...i thought mathilde perceived Waaagh energies as a flavour...was it also as sound and i just forgot that?
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From the turn Mathilde gave the lectures on Waaagh and Peace:
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and for you, the Waaagh is best described as the taste of metal in your mouth and the feeling of an unpleasant vibration in your bones.
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It's presumabely the 'unpleasent vibration' part that is described when referring to tones.
 
fictionfan said:
I am starting to feel like Mathilde views Randal as a weird sort of war god at this point. The sort of war god you pray to before going on a raid for loot.

Do any of the other order war gods cover that territory? Or is it feel real estate so long as Randal can take it from Khorne.
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Gunndred is close, although I suspect Ulric would also cover raiding, given that he's a god of war and fire and doing what you need to survive in hard times, he could easily be a good of pillaging (and burning).
 
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Parabola said:
The Creeping Flesh doesn't have anything on magic, it's just made by and for necromancers for the physical aspects - stuff on corpses and whatnot. It's safe in that sense, just distasteful.
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It is not a refutation on the fact it is a book on necromancy or that every Necromancer would want it.

It does not refutate the fact that any necromancer that gets his hand on it will get better at it either. IT is after all written by necromancers for necromancers ...Soooo... I am not sure what your argument is.
 
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Iwent and listened to a few pieces on eacj of the instruments I was considering, and Im changing my vote to:

[X] Spinning Lyre
 
Tasoli said:
It is not a refutation on the fact that it is a book on necromancy or every Necromancer would want it.

It does not refutate the fact that any necromancer that gets his hand on it will get better at it either. Soooo... I am not sure what your argument is.
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You're not wrong, but I just personally think 'book on necromancy' is the sort of label that should only be applied to stuff that's actively illegal to possess and which instructs the reader on how to actually use necromancy, the Really Bad Magic.

Anyone who goes looking for a necromantic tome and ends up finding a book on anatomy and surgery is going to be a tad bit disappointed.

On a different note, for no discernable reason, my brain has come up with the funny mental image of a necromancer, a Chaos Dwarf, a daemonologist and Drycha grouping up together to plan a really complex heist on KAU to obtain its deepest, darkest tomes...

The Eonir writings on professional wrestling.
 
Parabola said:
If someone followed Mathilde's exploits, it wouldn't be entirely out of the question for them to think she got dark magic books from poking at Drakenhof. Not enough justification to attack a dwarf Karak, but still. She has a known hunger for books.
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Eh, she can't have anything that important or she wouldn't still be looking, right? It's not like there's any space for her to have done a major research delve in between everything else she's published on while bouncing all around the continent, surely.
 
Parabola said:
You're not wrong, but I just personally think 'book on necromancy' is the sort of label that should only be applied to stuff that's actively illegal to possess and which instructs the reader on how to actually use necromancy, the Really Bad Magic.
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Illegal is a spectrum, the Liber Mortis is illegal to everyone because it has such a scary reputation, but if we got some petty necromancer's grimoire off his corpse I imagine Lady Magister Weber would be allowed to keep it. After all the Colleges have whole shelves on murder rituals that can be used to cast them and on the Chaos Gods that can be used to call upon their attention.
 
As is only right, i have delegated my choice on music aesthetics to my best friend, and they say "Yeah vote for hurdy gurdy. It is the way"
[X] Spinning Lyre
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Parabola said:
is the sort of label that should only be applied to stuff that's actively illegal to possess and which instructs the reader on how to actually use necromancy, the Really Bad Magic.
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If you are a petty Necromencer and get your hands on Creeping Flesh, your ability jump up because it makes you better at necromantic magic. It is not a foundational book which is what you are decribing where once you get said book you learn a set path. Creeping Flesh is by comparation is a referance book for that any necromancer that is looking to research better necromancer dead bodies.

Also your look at the magic books shows two misconceptions, first is Creeping Flesh would have been illegal if it was not so gosh damn useful to surgeons but it is, so Morrites have to take the L for it. But make no mistake if the book had been a little less useful in benefical healing arts it would definitely be illegal. You can call it honory illegal if you want.

Second is that we have seen Liber Mortis, the pinacle of necromancy book short of Books of Nagash and spells there were aftertoughts, most of the book was a war journal and the skills it tought had very little to spells to raise the dead but more about how to fight wars with undead armies. Clearly knowing spells to raise some skeletons or other undead is not by itself enough to be dangerious, it takes secondary skills to actually be dangerious and Creeping Flesh would give some of the such skills.

I mean remember Alcatraz the vampire? He controlled undead animals but with Creeping Flesh he could have researched how to make far more dangerious chimeras from the animals and use those instead.

Finally, I am not even sure there is different spells to raise differing number of skeletons (we saw how students struggled with 2 animal bodies). Most likely it is one spell that scales up with skill of user and said skills likely reliant on secondary abilities. In this way Creeping Flesh won't make new Necromencers but it will upgrade them. so;
Parabola said:
Anyone who goes looking for a necromantic tome and ends up finding a book on anatomy and surgery is going to be a tad bit disappointed.
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This won't happen unless said necromancer already figured out anatomy to sufficient level.
 
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Saidoro said:
Actually, come to think, if we picked Portaviv how much work would it be for some lunatic visionary to scale them up to a full sized pipe organ? Something someone could just do or a whole new research project?
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Boney said:
Anyone who had the blueprints and knew how to make a pipe organ could easily scale it up, with some trial and error to keep it sounding right.
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Sold! I was leaning towards the hurdy-gurdy for the greater portability, but I just can't resist the idea of someone building on our work like that.

[X] Portativ
 
Wow, what an opener!
Abby Normal said:
but on reread no this is more of mathilde having internalized dwarven mindsets on 'things we dont talk about.'
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Then - yeah, our Dwarf Infection was really acting up this update.
Boney said:
sent as an adit to bypass the obstacle
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Boney said:
presented to the Runesmiths as a shored shaft
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Boney said:
completely reinventing the axe
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"And yours, in some areas," Egrimm replies with an odd little smile. The tone he used is odd, an inch away from well-practiced slickness but some element deliberately left out to prevent it all from harmonizing, which must have taken more effort than actually following through. Your first thought is that he's toying with you, but he's not watching you closely enough for that. He's not amused by your reaction, but by his own - he's mocking himself for defaulting to that form of oily flattery when it's entirely unnecessary.
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And what up with you, Egrimm good buddy? Did some Daemon-bird inform you that you are a candidate in EverBowl XV?

…Did you find out you aren't a candidate, but we are?
[X] Portativ
 
Nimbus said:
I don't imagine it'll take too much time before other instruments are adapted to the concept by the good people of Nuln - and considering that both organs and hurdy-gurdies are keyed instruments, either one may be one of the first!
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You need a wizard with auditory windsight to tune the instruments and even the good people of nuln would hesitate to do that openly.
 
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