- Location
- some computer lab
don't worry, we'll just install Ranald as their patron god, what they're doing is basically legal trickery leading to legal highway robbery, right up Ranald's alley.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan Fields of Gold
-[x] Recruit Maximilian
-[X] Recruit Johann
Only contentious vote I wish to influence.
Panoramia is busy farming. I'd say let her.
-[x] Recruit Maximilian
-[X] Recruit Johann
Only contentious vote I wish to influence.
Panoramia is busy farming. I'd say let her.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
And what matter is the uzumgi leader's character is to the question of torque gift? We just give it to the position, not the person. Whoever he is, he has to accept that we have influence among uzumgi. We organised the settling. We very visibly live in the same karak they do. They drink at our tavern-temple. And we are scary as hell.
There is not that much he can actually do to impede us, and not that much incentive to play against.
Besies, what's the worst he can do with the artifact? Try to run away? I'd like to see him try.
There is not that much he can actually do to impede us, and not that much incentive to play against.
Besies, what's the worst he can do with the artifact? Try to run away? I'd like to see him try.
The thing is almost exactly that already happened. We were his boss, he lied to us to do his own thing. And guess what, he got away with it. Reasons you provide should have stopped him the first time.
I'm not telling he's a bad guy, or incompetent, or something like that: he's unrealiable as in we can't rely on him. He's got his own mission, and he thinks that lying to his superior officer is acceptable if that's what's needed. I get a vibe he doesn't respect our authority or us personally. We can't really rely on him until that changes. You presume that already happened, I don't think it did.
- Location
- Brazil
To say nothing I've yet to hear why he would utterly fuck up his relationship with the one person in K8P who can get him Skaven warmachines to study, aka the person responsible for weird magical shit.
Influencing the choice goes very well with donating the Torc, and is generally a good idea besides.
At that point you risk having an unworthy leader for however long.
Influencing the choice goes very well with donating the Torc, and is generally a good idea besides.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Regarding Action Economy:
The best case scenario is one where we are assigned a low number of tasks (2, out of the 2-4 range) and our subordinates can independently fulfill said tasks.
In that scenario, we would spend:
6 - 1 Action Wrangling Wizards (2 Assigned Actions Performed) - 1 Action Managing EIC = 4 Free Actions.
For obvious reasons, this is unlikely to come up often - while things are still getting set up we'll likely be operating more towards the busy side of the schedule, some of the actions will require personal attention, and our underlings won't always be able to contribute.
The worst case scenario is one where we have a large number of assigned tasks that all require personal attention, and both of our underlings are busy with their own fires.
In that scenario, we would spend:
6- 4 Assigned Actions - 1 Action Wrangling Wizards (0 Free Actions) - 1 Action Managing EIC = 0 Free Mathilde Actions
For equally obvious reasons, this is also unlikely to come up often - it'll be rare that we're assigned 4 actions that Mathilde must do alone that our subordinates can't help at all with.
So, without overwork, I expect to have between 0-4 Free Actions every turn - likely averaging out around 2.
The best case scenario is one where we are assigned a low number of tasks (2, out of the 2-4 range) and our subordinates can independently fulfill said tasks.
In that scenario, we would spend:
6 - 1 Action Wrangling Wizards (2 Assigned Actions Performed) - 1 Action Managing EIC = 4 Free Actions.
For obvious reasons, this is unlikely to come up often - while things are still getting set up we'll likely be operating more towards the busy side of the schedule, some of the actions will require personal attention, and our underlings won't always be able to contribute.
The worst case scenario is one where we have a large number of assigned tasks that all require personal attention, and both of our underlings are busy with their own fires.
In that scenario, we would spend:
6- 4 Assigned Actions - 1 Action Wrangling Wizards (0 Free Actions) - 1 Action Managing EIC = 0 Free Mathilde Actions
For equally obvious reasons, this is also unlikely to come up often - it'll be rare that we're assigned 4 actions that Mathilde must do alone that our subordinates can't help at all with.
So, without overwork, I expect to have between 0-4 Free Actions every turn - likely averaging out around 2.
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- Location
- Austria
I don't understand, sorry.
How would gifting the torc to the potentially bad leader make things better?
- Location
- USA
[X] Plan Ambers and a Gold
-[X] Recruit Esbern and Seija
-[X] Recruit Maximilian
[X] Take an active hand in the EIC
[X] Avatar: You're growing worryingly familiar with being used as a conduit by deities. ???
[X] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.
[X] Windreader > Windsage: Your magical senses see more than your normal ones. +2 Learning, even more able to see and understand emotion and magical effects in others.
-[X] Recruit Esbern and Seija
-[X] Recruit Maximilian
[X] Take an active hand in the EIC
[X] Avatar: You're growing worryingly familiar with being used as a conduit by deities. ???
[X] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.
[X] Windreader > Windsage: Your magical senses see more than your normal ones. +2 Learning, even more able to see and understand emotion and magical effects in others.
Eh, worst case we make them disappear.
Wilhelmina is anti-sigmarite too. Whatever damage it could do is already done.
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- Location
- Brazil
You propose he'd "disregard our orders, do his own thing and lie about it". While explicitly working for us, the Court Wizard of K8P.
That's orders of magnitude more severe than holding cards to his chest on the loosely assembled Expedition. Our authority was much lesser then, and he never disobeyed direct orders even then.
The Grey College seems to think it was no more than a dick move, and I generally agree. They gave us leverage to slap him upside the head for being silly.
What you said he'd do might well be grounds for a bullet to the back of the head, depending on what he disregarded and went off to do.
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- Location
- New York, USA
[X] Plan Fields of Gold
[X] Take an active hand in the EIC
[X] Collegiate: They say managing Wizards is like herding cats. Herding cats isn't actually that difficult. Can manage three other wizards per action spent.
[X] Windreader > Windsage: Your magical senses see more than your normal ones. +2 Learning, even more able to see and understand emotion and magical effects in others.
[X] Donate it to whoever ends up leading the Undumgi.
[X] Take an active hand in the EIC
[X] Collegiate: They say managing Wizards is like herding cats. Herding cats isn't actually that difficult. Can manage three other wizards per action spent.
[X] Windreader > Windsage: Your magical senses see more than your normal ones. +2 Learning, even more able to see and understand emotion and magical effects in others.
[X] Donate it to whoever ends up leading the Undumgi.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
I think he is talking about establishing that it is in large part we who determine the leader of undumgi. In that case the torq plays the symbolic role of regalia, reinforcing the image that it is we who are investing him with this power, and implying that it is within our power to replace him.
It's about symbolism and establishing pecking order.
- Location
- Brazil
It's not, so that's why we want to out a finger or ten on the scale and ensure it's a good one. Read, competent, but pliant to us.
Giving the Torc just cements us as the one from whom authority was derived, and it's so much better if he is actually our minion.
- Location
- Pilipinas
What is the canon reason for Giant Wolves to be stealthier than regular wolves?Winter Wolves have no stats. Giant Wolves do have stats though.
Giant Wolves are stealthier than Wolves by a substantial margin.
- Location
- Austria
That's a worthwhile breakdown too.
Truth be told, I am still quite interested in Collegiate. In my experience, at least, in action economy-limited quests, the most valuable resource to grind at every opportunity is possible amount of actions.
Given possible powers of delegation, it should mean Collegiate is extremely valuable. It is conditional on having people to delegate to, but I do not think it is too stringent a condition.
In this spirit,
[X] Plan Role Model for the Younglings
[X] Plan Gold and Amber
-[X] Recruit Esbern and Seija
-[X] Recruit Maximilian
-[X] Recruit Johann
[x] Magical Duellist: Anyone unwise enough to try to cast spells you don't want them to will quickly regret it. +2 Learning, +10 bonus to dispelling and inducing miscasts.
[x] Windreader > Windsage: Your magical senses see more than your normal ones. +2 Learning, even more able to see and understand emotion and magical effects in others.
[X] Collegiate: They say managing Wizards is like herding cats. Herding cats isn't actually that difficult. Can manage three other wizards per action spent.
[X] Keep it around in case you ever want to study non-Ulgu enchantments.
[X] Leave the EIC alone
While I am a Collegiate voter myself, I do not see the point of voting for Collegiate and yet voting for only 2 wizards. There's no point, unless you plan to separately get the 3rd at some point in the future.
I understand perfectly well that with some luck torq could become a part/ of regalia and symbol of power. This is precisely why I would rather not give it - and thus give legitimacy - to anyone we are not yet sure in.
Let any new leader prove themselves and if they do, we give them this as a proof of them passing the probation.
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- Location
- Aotearoa
After a few decades of fighting to hold the Citadel perhaps he would be, but not yet:
- Location
- Austria
But the whole issue is that vote, as is, seems vulnerable to the potential issue of a leader being not good. Giving torc after they pass the probation period would give us this air of authority just as well, wouldn't it?
A guy who thinks he's smartrer than you + is prone to dick moves is not reliable. That's "fire as soon as possible" section in every book on HR out there. What he thinks is a dick move he can afford might be a life and death question for us, bullet to the head material.
We may get good mileage out of him but we will be double guessing him every turn, and that's just not productive.
- Location
- Brazil
Pretty much.
Lord Magister Wilhelmine, Bursar of the Grey Order, called it "being silly".
I concur.
Eh, maybe because they are smarter?
Increased paw size makes it easier to tiptoe.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
*starts making stuff up*
Giant wolves need more food than regular wolves due their increased size. However, they have the same range of available prey, which means that they need many more succesful hunts than their common counterpart. This, in turn, means they need to be better hunters and sneaking up on your prey is a vital part of that.
- Location
- Brazil
That's why we should make sure they are good.
Passing it to him after he proves himself has completely different optics, because the authority isn't seen as inherently ours to bestow as of yet.
Also, you seem to want Johann, why not Fields of Gold?
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