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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Plan Sorcery and Waystones
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone)
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone, (everyone)
--[X] COIN: Gambler on building a waystone
-[X] MAX: Receive dictation: Linguistic Drift in Lizardmen Glyphs, The Polyphenic Theory of Lizardmen Society
-[X] JOHANN: Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Storms)
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Auditory Seviroscope) Spend 5 CF for a Magister with Auditory Magesight to help out
- [X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Mantle of Mist)
-[X] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[X] Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library. (Imperial Gunnery School)
-[X] SERENITY: Write a book : Aethyric Vitae 1/2
-[X] Eike Actions: Build a Waystone, Explore the Ward of Storms with Johann, Windherder enchantment with Egrimm, acquiring and selling Ithilmar
-[X] Eike Study: Grey magic spells to finish up her basics


Reasoning:

Core two
The obvious parts of any plan which takes two out of our five AP. These are locked in for everyone and I don't see a plan succeeding without them.
[ ] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone)
[ ] Waystone: Build a Waystone

Free third, Arcane Mark
We've been putting off the arcane marks for ages. I'm not shifting on this. It's time! We can look into Karaz Ankor's waystones later, for now let's get this done.
[ ] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (any of them is fine, I'm going with mantle of mists for the hopeful resistance to gas attacks and smoke)


EIC
EIC Gold is likely to be very useful when we head to the rich and magical Ulthuan and also it's on a timeline where it's value is likely to start diminishing.
[ ] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit

Library
I think at this stage improving our library's stocks to make it more appealing is the best move. Besides we went to the effort of being able to get access to Nuln's libraries so it makes sense to take advantage of that to improve our library. Not attached at the hip to that though.

I've currently set it to the Imperial Gunnery School since it's well regarded and likely Nuln's most famous institution which should result in a bit of a buff to our reputation, even if that reputation isn't for their library.
[ ] Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library. (Imperial Gunnery School)


Eike Study and Actions.
Eike's actions are mostly just getting involved where she can learn interesting things or be useful.
[ ] Eike Actions: Build a Waystone, Explore the Ward of Storms with Johann, Windherder enchantment with Egrimm, acquiring and selling Ithilmar

For study it's a good time to finish up her basic spell list. It'll make her better at magic, round out her magical skill set and make her more independent which is useful since we're like to go to Ulthuan soon and be busy for three months where we won't be able to help Eike.
[ ] Eike Study: Grey magic spells to finish up her basics

Serenity
I've made this getting started on the Aethyric Vitae book so we can publish ASAP.

Coin
On the Waystone since Ranald is likely quite invested in it and it's an important action.



Also as an additional choice, for those who want to finally dig out those backlogs. Johann and Egrimm have been swapped to finally looking at those Kurgan items we grabbed rather than a fortune in gold.

[X] Plan Sorcery, Waystones and Backlogs
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone)
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone, (everyone)
--[X] COIN: Gambler on building a waystone
-[X] MAX: Receive dictation: Linguistic Drift in Lizardmen Glyphs, The Polyphenic Theory of Lizardmen Society
-[X] JOHANN: Study an artefact: enchanted Kurgan weapons
-[X] EGRIMM: Study an artefact: Kurgan Shrine
-[X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Mantle of Mist)
-[X] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[X] Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library. (Imperial Gunnery School)
-[X] SERENITY: Write a book : Aethyric Vitae 1/2
-[X] Eike Actions: Build a Waystone, Explore the Ward of Storms with Johann, Windherder enchantment with Egrimm, acquiring and selling Ithilmar
-[X] Eike Study: Grey magic spells to finish up her basics


Approval votes, they have arcane marks!

[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
 
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This is it. The culmination of my career.
Don't let your dreams be memes.

[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal
-[X] COIN: The Father
-[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Bretonnian Damsels)
--[X] After building the Waystone prototype (if possible)
-[X] Waystone: Nexuses (Forest of Shadows) (Aksel, Ostland Hedgewise, Ostermark Hedgewise)
--[X] Personally ask the Ostland and Ostermark Hedgewise for help in the hope that the Father face of the coin will earn their cooperation.

-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (with literally everyone)
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks (Karaz Ankor, with Thorek)
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone)

-[X] KAU: Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library (Aquila Academy of Nuln)
-[X] EIC: Attempt to establish a trade route with the Eonir (ore)
--[X] Attempt to broker a deal between Kislev and the Eonir. Personally work with Kalita worshipping Kislevite traders if possible.

-[X] Eike Actions: Damsel Negotiations, EIC action, Morbing
-[X] Eike Study: Study intrigue and Tradecraft with the Hochlander
-[X] Serenity: AV book 1/2


[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
-[X] COIN: The Father
-[X] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Bretonnian Damsels)
--[X] After building the Waystone prototype (if possible)
-[X] Waystone: Nexuses (Forest of Shadows) (Aksel, Ostland Hedgewise, Ostermark Hedgewise)
--[X] Personally ask the Ostland and Ostermark Hedgewise for help in the hope that the Father face of the coin will earn their cooperation.

-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (with literally everyone)
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks (Karaz Ankor, with Thorek)
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone)

-[X] KAU: Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library (Aquila Academy of Nuln)
-[X] EIC: Assist in the creation of the magical route through the Schadensumpf, both personally and with the EIC's influence and resources

-[X] Eike Actions: Damsel Negotiations, EIC action, Morbing
-[X] Eike Study: Study intrigue and Tradecraft with the Hochlander
-[X] Serenity: AV book 1/2
 
Artemis1992 said:
Minor question, since it has been some time since Johann went blind by now.

Wasn't it possible to either try again or heal him some years in the future?
Something about the Chamon having to disperse?
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Iirc we got told that it's possible but it would need to be done by someone that can do high magic to filter out the chamon and then restore with either light of life... So probably an elf is needed.
 
You know what, Let me take a crack at apparations not being deamons argument. What proof do we have?

Primary proof;
Mathilde bound one to her soul and sensed no Chaos energies.(Case study esentially) (Reminder, she has counter-Chaos training so she would know)

Secondary proof;
Three other collages bound apparations and found no Chaos corruption.
External exemination by Order of Light on Gehenas Golden Hounds found no Chaos corruption (Reminder, Lights don't bind apparations)
Hysh spells that banishes deamons don't work apparations. (Reminder, there is another spell that banishes denizens of Immaterium that works)
Elves use apparations.
Addendum There is no deamons we know of that does not have also dhar in them Apparations have no dhar ergo they are not deamons.

Tertiary proof;
Djinn is not considered deamons.
So conclusion; Apparation ≠ Deamon.

Discussion; are apparations are Deamon like? My answer would be that is a distinction without meaning. IF we are broadening the definition that much Gods would also count Deamon like so there is no point and would tell us nothing. Does this look bad to the people on the street, yes but that is reason to keep quite not a reason to stop research about Apparations.

Edited: with Addendum.
 
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[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
[] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
[X] Plan An Enchanting Study Date with Panoramia
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal
[X] Plan Train Eike Personally
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)

I expect I will be approval-voting widely for the first few hours or so; in general, I prioritize investigating the Karaz Ankor network with Thorek and Eike, making progress on our backlog, and preparing for the Elfternship by increasing our skills or gaining control of an Arcane Mark.

EDIT: Dropping my vote for Pondering Orbs and Nuts because I prefer the second-place plan more.

After things calm down a bit I'll make a voting guide to all the plans in the hopes of helping people parse all the plans and variants.

EDIT: This now exists.
 
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Here are my plans for the turn. Both plans feature studying the Ghyran Nut with Panoramia and working on our Unnatural Shadow Arcane Mark. The plans differ in which EIC action they take, with Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts reselling Ithilmar to gather funds to spend when we go on Elfcation, and Plan An Enchanting Study Date with Panoramia helping the Rite of Way bridge to Laurelorn finish sooner. The thread seems passionate about which EIC action to take, however I encourage fans of the Ghyran Nut study and Arcane Marks to approval vote both plans until it is clear that plans with those actions will win.

[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL) (The Gambler)
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks (Karaz Ankor) (Thorek)
-[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut with Panoramia
-[X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Unnatural Shadow)
-[X] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae Part 1
-[X] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[X] KAU: Hire educators to teach a language or group of languages to your scribes (Old World Languages)
-[X] COIN: The Gambler
-[X] Eike Actions: Ghyran Nut study, Karaz Ankor network, KAU action
-[X] Eike Study: Infiltration and Tradecraft with the Hochlander

[X] Plan An Enchanting Study Date with Panoramia
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL) (The Gambler)
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks (Karaz Ankor) (Thorek)
-[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut with Panoramia
-[X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Unnatural Shadow)
-[X] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae Part 1
-[X] EIC: Assist in the creation of the magical route through the Schadensumpf, both personally and with the EIC's influence and resources
-[X] KAU: Hire educators to teach a language or group of languages to your scribes (Old World Languages)
-[X] COIN: The Gambler
-[X] Eike Actions: Ghyran Nut study, Karaz Ankor network, KAU action, EIC action
-[X] Eike Study: Learn Enchantment at the Colleges 1 CF

edit: Adding approval vote of a variant of Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts that drops Eike from the KAU action because this seems popular.
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL) (The Gambler)
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks (Karaz Ankor) (Thorek)
-[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut with Panoramia
-[X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Unnatural Shadow)
-[X] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae Part 1
-[X] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[X] KAU: Hire educators to teach a language or group of languages to your scribes (Old World Languages)
-[X] COIN: The Gambler
-[X] Eike Actions: Ghyran Nut study, Karaz Ankor network
-[X] Eike Study: Infiltration and Tradecraft with the Hochlander
 
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[X] Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition
[X] Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)

These plans have most of what I want and I will be throwing my full support behind them.
 
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[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition

[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
 
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I think that attempts to restore Johann's original eyes are distinctly unambitious. Instead he needs to go on a quest for some ancient golden cyber-eyes from an unknown source and implant them in their place…

More seriously, does anyone know if non-evil magical prosthetics are a thing? Any elves out there with enchanted glass eyes?
 
Tobtorp said:
Because I made the point that it might be academically ok but that has no bearing on how the movers and shakers of the empire would perceive it, and then I got flooded with "but it's not a daemon, and it can't be because the lights! And the elf's do it too." Which have almost no bearing how the empire elite would react to finding out about what amounts to a conspiracy of several orders of magic to keep certain spells hidden to not be asked uncomfortable questions!
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We are not letting random people on the street decide Collage policy on magical research. That only effects wheter we make workings of the spell known or not and Collages are keeping quiet to preserve goodwill. But acting like, that, is evidance of guilt is wrong so stop doing it please.
 
[x] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition

[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal (ore deal not included)
 
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[X] Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition
[X] Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
 
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Just a heads up guys, changed my plans to

[] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition
[] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition

So that the Tally can read them easier. Thanks to @picklepikkl for catching it so fast and pointing it out in PMs
 
[X] Plan: Preppin for the Elfcation
Tasoli said:
We are not letting random people on the street decide Collage policy on magical research. That only effects wheter we make workings of the spell known or not and Collages are keeping quiet to preserve goodwill. But acting like, that, is evidance of guilt is wrong so stop doing it please.
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... Ok so I'm going to repeat myself here but the only thing I was talking about was what would happen if it came out the wizards were hiding what they do with aparations, which is immediate distrust from the higher echelons of the empire about why the wizards are so insistent that they hide this particular part of their wizards if it's "not illegal."
Following me so far? Because it might not be an admitting of guilt but that doesn't actually matter too much in the world we are playing this game in. The colleges could point towards their academic study of the subject and the only thing one would hear back is "so the wizards are telling me the wizards aren't guilty."
 
Tobtorp said:
guilty
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Guilty of what again? I don't understand what their crime is? Are they even legally obligated to disclose the workings of their spells? No I don't think so. And we already established apparations are Articles of Ok! So there is no crime and there is no Guilt.

You got bupkis.
 
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Vlag Edition
[X] Plan: Preppin for the Elfcation
[X] Plan Sorcery and Waystones
[X] Plan A Morbifying Ore Deal

All plans are pretty close this turn, though. Which is expected with 2/5 (+Serenity) basically non-negotiable before we started. Father Plans are the most outlier-ish, but it does seem like a good turn for it to me so long nothing goes wrong with the prototype.

Edit a few hours on, after plans settled: adding the alternate Nuts plan without Eike on the KAU action. If a Nuts plan is to succeed, of the two I'd rather it be that one.
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)
 
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[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)

Might add more over time if I see marks actions.
 
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[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts
[X] Plan: Preppin for the Elfcation
[X] Plan Pondering Orbs and Nuts (no Eike on KAU)

Tasoli said:
Guilty of what again? I don't understand what their crime is? Are they even legally obligated to disclose the workings of their spells? No I don't think so. And we already established apparations are Articles of Ok! So there is no crime and there is no Guilt.

You got bupkis.
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7. No Magister may ever study the Forbidden Lores of the Daemonic Powers, nor the unholy ways of Necromancy, nor any other sorcery or witchcraft that utilises the wicked powers of Dark Magic. Any Magister found disregarding this Article is guilty of an Abominable Act and is both Heretic and Traitor and will be put to sword and fire immediately.

Tell me where it says in here "but apparations are absolutely ok!"
Guilty will be decided not by the colleges but by the empire, it's electors and the emperor. Us telling them that "it's absolutely ok, trust me bro!" Is not a convincing argument when it's already been revealed the colleges have hidden this specific use of entities from the warp from said empire, electors and emperor.

Edit: adding another plan to vote for
 
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[X] Plan Train Eike Personally
-[X] Waystone: Build a Waystone (everyone)
--[X] The Gambler
-[X] Waystone: Other Networks: Karaz Ankor (Thorek)
-[X] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone)
-[X] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (Mantle of Mist)
-[X] Train Eike (Enchanting, tool-free enchantment)
-[X] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
-[X] KAU: Hire educators to teach a language or group of languages to your scribes (Old World Languages)
-[X] Serenity: AV part 1
-[X] Eike tag-along: Karaz Ankor network, KAU action (so she can develop her language knowledge)
-[X] Eike study: Intrigue training with the Hochlander

[X] Plan: Preppin for the Elfcation
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition
[X] Plan Ithilmar, Enchantment and Exploration Language Edition (Eike, check out this cool thing I did!)
 
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