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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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If You can actually cast spells while somehow using snake juice instead of winds of magic. Which is not really feasible outside of lab for purely practical reasons.
The real breakthrough would be calling up and manipulating raw magic without reality and its existence withing the world splitting it into winds at all. But that is likely simply not possible. Even if it is, Liber Mortis would not help there.
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- Brazil
Also, out of the three Warbosses in the expedition's way so far (East Gates, Karag Lhune, Karag Nar), we've personally killed two.
That's... kind of a big deal.
That's... kind of a big deal.
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The Great One
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- Everywhere
If you heard of them, they wouldn't be grey wizards.
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- some computer lab
I am also quite excited to see what traits Mathilde has required after this fight settles down.
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- Germany
[X] Keep to the original plan. Find the invasion force and join them as they fight their way through Karag Nar.
Yes, Mathilde is pretty spent, but that's why I want to get to friendlies as quickly as possible. If Mathilde goes fighting with the dwarves there is likely a higher chance of something going bad, but if she stays in a remote chamber in an orc hold without any knowledge what is going on, then if something goes bad it will go really, really bad.
Especially if you are not at your best, it is important to have allies around.
Yes, Mathilde is pretty spent, but that's why I want to get to friendlies as quickly as possible. If Mathilde goes fighting with the dwarves there is likely a higher chance of something going bad, but if she stays in a remote chamber in an orc hold without any knowledge what is going on, then if something goes bad it will go really, really bad.
Especially if you are not at your best, it is important to have allies around.
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- Brazil
Fair's fair: the most famous Van Hal did just that, and it worked.
@edit: And I'm not saying we should do it god fucking dammit.
Honestly, DP raises a really interesting point with this being the closest we can get to a human treatise on Sorcery.
As was noted, and IMO not given due attention to, we've essentially perfectly grounded a battle magic scale miscast, because we offered Ranald the extra energy through a loopy Ulgu straw, and he drunk it up.
The potential there seems fairly self-evident.
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DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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- within 2 hours of the White House
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- They/Them
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Boney if you were trying to make a statement about the corrupting influence of power with the book, the belt, and the juice, it's worked. You've successfully convinced a portion of the thread that because we have something powerful, the rules don't apply to us
Boney if you were trying to make a statement about the corrupting influence of power with the book, the belt, and the juice, it's worked. You've successfully convinced a portion of the thread that because we have something powerful, the rules don't apply to us
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
Irrelevant. The Coin causes them to believe that we are not lying, and unable to believe that we are. That is a drastic departure from a high Intrigue characters normal thought processes who does not accept something as truth without a lot of evidence and even then might well consider it to be only 99% likely to be truth. Or if they consider a scenario in which Mathilda is lying and find themselves discarding it out of hand. After which the culprit will be rapidly identified.
It's not easy to mess with the mind of a self aware person with something as brute force as this.
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- Leeds
Any radical faction that Mathilde starts is a radical anti-Sigmar order.
The better defense is simply being the model Grey Wizard in public. Theres no way to know we have it, theres no reason to suspect we have it, and while the Grey Order no doubt checks out our stuff at some point, people in the habit of opening mysterious boxes are unlikely to be long lived investigators of wizards.
This would change if say, sightings of 'demons' or undead start showing up whenever we do, but thats an easier one to prevent isn't it?
That said actually reading the book would probably settle a lot of the repeated misinformation and wishful thinking. Its currently along with the snake juice in a blob of superposition uncertainty where it COULD be anything and thus is whatever is most convenient for the current topic.
Once its read the ambiguity is gone and we have more grounded discussion which might at some point have a terminus.
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- Brazil
At some point, you start making the coin worthless if it can't bypass even the basics.
Warbosses drop like flies this time of the year.
Asheram
Not quite altogether
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- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
Only in a sense that it's even purer than any Qhaysh that can be made by skill or effort. The Snake Oil could be seen as, in a sense, chemically pure magic. Untainted by all.
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- Chicago
- Pronouns
- She/They
Id worry that the logical conclusion is that Mathilde's mind has been tampered with: she *is truthful* in what she says, but she is wrong/mistaken on other evidence, so someone is making her their pawn. And being an unwitting pawn in the eyes of the grey wizards is not much better than being a threat on her own.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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- Present
We don't even need to read the entire book. I quick peak at the index or introduction couldn't hurt. (If it has an index)
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Well that's one way to read the situation the other is that we're in a nearly unique situation to experiment in a safe fashion to see what is and isn't possible and that we can dump what doesn't work. The rules still apply context means we're essentially not breaking them.
That is the mentality of most PCs unless one bakes a strict code of conduct into them I'm afraid. By the simple virtue of being the player character Mathilde is special in ways no one else in the quest world is and it is our task to lead her along the path. Is is so strange that some of us want to take risks to change the world? (I'm talking about stuff like the Ranald vote more than the Liber Mortis here since that is no more of a risk reading it than owning it).
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
Questers hate authority with a passion. Unless they're the authority, in which case, anybody disagreeing or opposing them is an enemy agent.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Yea hundreds of people voted for an option that could have literally killed Ranald. Granted they didn't know at the time the risks for reading the Libre Mortis on the other hand are essentially nil, as just having the book will mean any one in authority that learns we have it will assume we did so.
I don't see why we can't cast using snake juice. We have gallons of the stuff, so we can just cast using flasks of it. Liquified magic will be vastly more concentrated that the usual form of the Winds which isn't even as dense as a mist (making mists of magic being the first stage of making a powerstone). It's a limited resource, but Mathilde doesn't cast that many spells.
Further down the line we might even be able to concentrate snake juice further into its own variety of powerstones. There's also enchanting, for which I think snake juice would be ideal, given that physical matter can absorb magic. (The reason we might want to make snake juice powerstones is that powerstone are the best way the Colleges have found to make magic items (as their runic items tend to be leaky in comparison).
On top of that, every time a priest casts a spell they call up raw magic from the Aeythr and use it without splitting it into the Winds. Experimentation with the snake juice might have crossovers with experimenting with using the Winds to manipulate divine magic.
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Even Mathilde probably can't glean enough just from looking at the index and it is quite unlikely that the author of the book just neatly separated the dangerous manipulating Dhar bits from the useful general 'this how magic works' bits.
Realistically the book probably needs to be carefully read, the information digested and then a decision made on how far can it be used.
In the same way they didn't apply to say Ranald when he stole godly power?
Or Nagash?
Or Mazdamundi who accidentally the dwarven empire?
Strategic level power is always going to be horribly dangerous.
The alternative is mediocrity followed by getting horribly murdered by people who were crazy enough to grab strategic level power.
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- Canada
Oh sorry, I misread what you meant.