Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Stephen9001 said:
Welp, now the thread is going to want Freddy to visit, with the Everqueen's blessing. Doesn't get much more powerful as patrons go than her!
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In all fairness, we'd have a good excuse this time! Wanting to make sure Eldyra gets home safely and gets the treatment she needs.

Oh, and maybe even escort Gwen and her mother there too, make sure they are safe and treated well.
 
Yes to all.

If we need more, we are still technically the third party ambassador for both Asur and Asrai.

And look, An asrai stranded from home! Why, she even has Tullaris Dreadbringer weapon as a gift! Clearly this is an event that requires Freddy to oversee again.
 
Cheap Orange Knofe said:
Can Frederick learn to dispel now that he has Windsight?
Can ice wife help with spell casting through the link?
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I think if Nat helps Freddy cast stuff, the most likely result is Ice magic, which is probably going to do bad things to our relationship with Kislev, given their prophecy of a male Ice mage destroying the country.

And that's not even mentioning the effects it might have on Freddys already very weird soul, the diplomatic problems of having to explain why we shouldn't go to the colleges, etc.
 
So this was actually brought up elsewhere in PMs:

torroar said:
Natasha is still quite proud of her Kislevite heritage, and the prophecy of Ice Magic being likely negatively changed forever if a man were to grasp it would make her horrified. The Empire would have to have him either stripped of his position and sent to the Colleges, or he'd have to be stripped of his position and thrown into an uncertain position amongst the Kislevite faith. Kislev would not be much happier about it.
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torroar said:
It would be magic channeled through and used by him. Magic, by law of the Empire, which Frederick follows and loves, would require him to step down and go to the colleges. Ice Magic, as a man, even worse for Kislev. Natasha's love would undoubtedly be stronger, but she would feel wretched as they have to deal with Kislev's resulting upheaval, the fact that Kattarin would probably have to say something about it that would not be good, and follow Frederick to the Colleges where he would likely remain in seclusion for the rest of his life.
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Frederick cannot cast magic. He can simply perceive it better than before, and in mechanical terms now has access to Witch Sight to a certain extent. Sort of like how a priest could at times.

You do not want magic coming out of Frederick, because once it does, he's off to the Colleges. He's an Imperial loyalist, a Magnus the Pious loyalist, and would not reasonably refuse Imperial law on that matter. He's subverted it at times, defied it at others, but in the end, it would be defying Magnus' decree, and he really wouldn't do that. Even if he could not actually cast a bit of magic himself without Natasha doing it through him. Him doing it the once would be enough. There are plenty of Perpetual Apprentices who are capable of little more than a few blinking lights and what not who remain at the Colleges forever, or at certain established outposts.
 
I do find it interesting how certain abilities get shared through the bond now, like Frederick's knowledge of Eltharin with Natasha.

torroar said:
Frederick cannot cast magic. He can simply perceive it better than before, and in mechanical terms now has access to Witch Sight to a certain extent. Sort of like how a priest could at times.
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Can he actually perceive the winds to some degree with his own eyes now.? If I remember correctly, in the story so far, he was able to see them because he was looking through Natasha's eyes, not his own.

Also, people are not asking the correct questions here. Instead of asking whether Frederick we can use magic now, we should ask whether he has access to Natasha's ability to not put her foot in her mouth (i.e. actual diplomatic ability). :V
 
Lerac said:
Also, people are not asking the correct questions here. Instead of asking whether Frederick we can use magic now, we should ask whether he has access to Natasha's ability to not put her foot in her mouth (i.e. actual diplomatic ability). :V
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Good sir, I would let you know that Frederick has long since transcended the "put foot in mouth" tier of diplomatic skill and have reached the dizzying heights of "profoundly mediocre" tier. :V
 
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Altom said:
Good sir, I would let you know that Frederick has long since have transcended the "put foot in mouth" tier of diplomatic skill and have reached the dizzying heights of "profoundly mediocre" tier. :V
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Diplomacy: 4+2+1+2+1=10 (You were never the most tactful. Instead of a silver tongue, you had one of barbed iron. But over time, at the least, you are no worse than anyone else. Or any better.)
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Very much correct!
 
torroar said:
Frederick cannot cast magic. He can simply perceive it better than before, and in mechanical terms now has access to Witch Sight to a certain extent. Sort of like how a priest could at times.
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Which is enough for me, since having witchsight is pretty useful on own and much rather Freddy stay in Ostland.

His wonderful and scary wife has magic side thing covered anyhow, lol.
 
Massgamer said:
Which is enough for me, since having witchsight is pretty useful on own and much rather Freddy stay in Ostland.
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The way I understand the bond's development is understunding and comprehension. They share their collective knowledge and theoretical skills.
Freddy may understund the minute details of noverbal comunication as well as Nat now, but still won't form arguments that much better.
Natasha may understund how diffrent parts of clockwork construction works, does not mean she would be good at operating one.
That kind of things. They notice more, have better context. Working on this however is more complicated.
 
I've looking through last chapters and did Magnus bring only the Army of Ostland to Talabecland? Did he leave any wizards, mercenaries or vapor tanks behind? Mercenaries took quite a beating, so I can see him leaving them behind to protect Wulfenburg alongside militia and maybe consecutively one vaportank too or maybe he took all of them as situation in Taal's lands was that dire. I know Urgdug is coming with him and he left Army of Range and Forest behind but couldn't find much info about other forces/specialists.
 
Both army of the Range and Forest are busy keeping the flood of beastman from buring down the province. Too many fires to put down to spare much else. Then again moving even this many sordiers still takes time he chose not to stand idle. So while his people were in tranzit and regroup, he went aheat to rescue some Talabeclanders.
Army of Ostland is assembling in Talabecland. Such things take a while.
 
Lerac said:
Can he actually perceive the winds to some degree with his own eyes now.? If I remember correctly, in the story so far, he was able to see them because he was looking through Natasha's eyes, not his own.
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No, he's definitively seeing them now. He can see them through Natasha, yes, but the intermingling of their strengthening souls has changed enough that he can see them himself now as well. They're both changed by what has happened to them now. Natasha, for instance, is finding casting magic to be that little bit less strenuous than before, has strangely higher reserves of energy, and so on.

NutMaster said:
I've looking through last chapters and did Magnus bring only the Army of Ostland to Talabecland? Did he leave any wizards, mercenaries or vapor tanks behind? Mercenaries took quite a beating, so I can see him leaving them behind to protect Wulfenburg alongside militia and maybe consecutively one vaportank too or maybe he took all of them as situation in Taal's lands was that dire. I know Urgdug is coming with him and he left Army of Range and Forest behind but couldn't find much info about other forces/specialists.
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He just took the Army of Ostland. Others remained behinds, and mercenaries got smackered real hard during Salkalten as they held the line for a retreat of state troops. That's still involves mobile elements, and so on. He just did a staggered deployment of fastest elements arriving first, Urgdug and others slower. The Vapor Tanks are back in Wulfenburg for repairs and maintenance. That was some intense combat they engaged in, the largest in fact of their history so far.
 
Massgamer said:
Helps when there is another soul literally helping out.
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I mean. Human and elfes souls ARE diffrent , So even the most knowlegeable people are threading a new territory. Puts some uncertanly on all conclussions. At this point even Gods may not split their souls apart... And that would be scary

Imagine one of them dies, goes past Morr's gate... and is still conected to the living one on matterial plane... That sure would be crazy.
Or more crazy if the living 'carried the soul of the dead... kind of like voluntary possesion or organic soulstone... Crazy.
Hopefully we will not find out.

On another note: How willing would Sunweaver be to perform that ritual again? Say if Magnus wanted to Bond with Sabine or if Death Sisters wanted to be even closer to eachother...

Actually , theoretically? How would a soulbond work on two Shysh telepatatically bonded wizards in the first place?
 
torroar said:
No, he's definitively seeing them now. He can see them through Natasha, yes, but the intermingling of their strengthening souls has changed enough that he can see them himself now as well. They're both changed by what has happened to them now. Natasha, for instance, is finding casting magic to be that little bit less strenuous than before, has strangely higher reserves of energy, and so on.
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...Well thats going to make things more awkward with Kislev when we eventually get back in contact with them if that means what I think it means for Freddy.
 
watcheye456 said:
Imagine one of them dies, goes past Morr's gate... and is still conected to the living one on matterial plane... That sure would be crazy.
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Already in universe example of that with wood elf twin heroes, whereas so long as one is alive the other will revive no matter how badly killed.

Not saying same thing would happen with Fred and Nat, likely not, just pointing it out
 
Knightperson said:
Wow. Absolutely wild thought.
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What if ritual was just based off twin bonds?
Two similar souls that split from one?
Would be redundant and maybe even lesser.
Massgamer said:
Already in universe example of that with wood elf twin heroes, whereas so long as one is alive the other will revive no matter how badly killed.

Not saying same thing would happen with Fred and Nat, likely not, just pointing it out
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OMG if this happens to Fred and Nat... We'd stop burning through so many fate points.
 
Well, that's the funny thing about them, you know?

Are they two souls?

There's a number of different stories about Naestra and Arahan's origin and nature, and I've already stated I'm being very choosy about information 'revealed' by the End Times on certain things.

Also, uh, if Kerillian makes it off of the Ark, her plan is most definitely not going to Ulthuan. She's not an Asur, she's Asrai, and generally quite proud of it. It's the Asrai who have the best elven smith of all time ever, Daith, not Ulthuan or Naggaroth or even Laurelorn. Plus, it has Vaul's Anvil, the greatest place of Vaul's presence and power upon the world!*

*According to the Asrai
 
torroar said:
Well, that's the funny thing about them, you know?

Are they two souls?

There's a number of different stories about Naestra and Arahan's origin and nature, and I've already stated I'm being very choosy about information 'revealed' by the End Times on certain things.
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Fair enough, also read stuff that says they are one soul sharing two bodies after being Split by the Weave itself, but didn't want to assume anything since your quest.
torroar said:
Also, uh, if Kerillian makes it off of the Ark, her plan is most definitely not going to Ulthuan.
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Of course, and not sure why people thought she would.

Besides, better that sword go there than return to dark elves anyway, and as she said her people are more accepting of accepting both sides of their pantheon as needed, balancing the light with the dark.
 
Aw, I wanted Kerillian on the roadtrip to Ulthuan. Makes it more funny.

Well, hopefully the druichii khaine group she got would convert to the Asrai side in the far future.
 
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