1. Mena's kids are much better trained than she was at their age, thanks to being trained by their noble father whose marriage with Mena is 100% political and barely 20% emotionally motivated at this point. She loves them, and she spends a lot more time around them now, but overall, there is a hard distance there between her and the rest of her family. Plus, as ya'll know, she's technically been ramping up her training and experience in that arena.
2. Hohenzollern Kids are weirdos, this is definitely true, but not actually that crazy in a Mallus Old World noble family in certain respects. For instance, in Carcassonne, they have the Birth-Sword thing, where every single noble boy is made to touch a specially made sword just for them that hangs there above them in their cots until they become old enough to wield it. Which, if they are a noble son of Carcassone, they will or otherwise will become great shames to their families. As shown in multiple posts, the Hohenzollerns started around age 5-6, but with an assortment of weapons in an opposite sort of approach to certain IRL reincarnation signifier tests i.e. 'time to pick whatever weapon you feel the most resonance for' and immediately begin weapons training and physical conditioning.

Other families of the majority Ulrican northern Empire do similar things, just...a couple of years later than that.

As it is, the Hohenzollern Herd majority lived/grew up in areas that are well sound-proofed against the cannonry stuff, but some - like Tasha - literally grew up in the School so are more than used to it. Like the stories of that baby that chills out with heavy metal/rock or whatever instead of calming classical music because the mom was pregnant while being around such noises or whatever. When they get to a certain age, however, they are more used to cannons as fun 'booms' and spooky-sounds-that-are-also-giggle-makers sorta thing. Like distant peek-a-boos or whatever.

Then again, you also have Ori born in 2333 IC who's immediate reaction to seeing how badly Karola was doing when it came to violence as a concept at all immediately went 'ah, okay, I must inure myself to pain as quickly as possible like my grandparents' and stabbed herself with a knife to make sure she wouldn't get wobbly at the smell/sight of her own blood and opened skin.

In the third branch, if they're not as tightly bound, they're still dragons, proud, powerful creatures with the capacity to say no or negotiate for their action.

Mmm, sorta mix of them. The whole 'thing' of the Forest Dragons is that they become symbiotically connected on a deep, deep level to the forests they're a part of. Literally slumbering whenever not required to be 'active' by the forests, with periods of periodic consumption/hunting to keep their strength up outside of those periods, plus breeding at times as well. They're largely roused when the forest is in danger for the most part, as guardians, yeah? In truth, the whole 'stronger the forest' thing which Bloodglade is working on affects them as well, because they're partially 'made' of forest as well at this point. But no, Bloodglade is not the main person who can wake them up, who knows the songs and words and rituals and what not. The one partially chosen by the Forest, partially by the Dragons, with the correct aptitude and attitude.

That'd be someone known as the Sky-Mistress or Sky-Master of Laurelorn.

Last known holder of that position in Laurelorn was someone named Morai-Wen.
 
Just because the Empire raised it (in captivity, mind you, surrounded by people who saw it as a monster rather than a friend since they aren't elves, something that a prideful, intelligent creature like a dragon would never appreciate)
Plenty of children grow up to resent their parents, and keeping it in a cage, unable to leave of its own free will cause you know if it could it'd fuck off forever, is a pretty solid grounds for growing up resentful. Doesn't help that there is a ridiculously high chance of both parties trying to kill each other if one was able to escape.

Nothing we have outside of the End Times stuff says that the Dragon is stuck chained up in a cage all the time. The quote is that the Dragon occasionally spends time in the Zoo which he does not like doing for a bunch of reasons one of which is probably that they are a Dragon not a dumb animal let alone one of the crazier things they keep with in it's grounds. The Abomination of Stirland probably smells horrible considering it's yah know some kind of Chaos spawn.

Their horde being located with in the Zoo's grounds probably plays a part in why they would be willing to stay there at all. Also I doubt the Amber Order sees all Dragon's as monsters instead of the greatest living embodiment of the wind of Ghur considering what the spell that is almost their most powerful spell lets them do.

Yeah. A superpowerful being that is as prideful as elves that is chained against his will, is forced to be use as a mount for nation and gawked at by a bunch of monkeys would scram at the first opportunity.

Surprise at the mental gymnastics to try to say it likes being in a zoo.

One no one has said the Dragon likes spending time in the Zoo and the lore from everything but the damm End Times does not say he spends all his time chained against his will.

We also know that that people who don't use their heads when interacting with the Dragon sometimes end up dead so what makes you think a bunch of people are just going to to walk to a cage a gwak at something that could turn them to San with a single breath. You really should not think of the Imperial as a one to one analogy of Modern Zoo.

And the Amber College should have known that it would happen, eventually, given they could talk to the thing.

Why would they not have Known that already considering they probably played a hand in taking care of the Egg and raising the Dragon?
Also since they knew it was a sentient creature why chains in the first place?

Not trying to extend the discussion just want a bit more clarification for your thinking on the topic and will drop it after this post. Thanks for being willing to give a WOG on the topic despite how loosely tied to the current situation our characters are in the topic was.

Like i said clear difference between a ulthuan dragon and a old world one or you are gomna say all dragons are ulthuan Caledorian dragons

We have speeches recorded in the lore as coming from the mouth of Dragon who have never been part of the alliance with the Elves Hell I posted a quote from one who was alive when the Old Ones first set foot on the Planet and thus looks at Human's as basically entertaining ants he sometimes eats before or after he lowers himself to speaking with them at all. The QM also posted the quote.

On the upside, Mena is well suited to winning the civil war that erupts and then she can just revoke all those noble titles and redistribute the lands as she sees fit again.

I suspects that the whole we won't do anything if you were just trying to get some firewood to keep your family warm or pick a few flowers has endeared Stephen much to the regular folks trying to live near what the new borders are. Having a treaty that both sides respect is a good thing but if it seems like the Count is bending over backwards for the Elves at the expense of his own people it would always be a source of discontent.
 
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Random question but, Would the High Elves be okay with us giving the Egg to Lauralorn?
Its our trophy, i don't think they have a particular say. Might want to eat it ourselves :V.

It would be more sensible to give it to High Elves however, or beam it up to Ariel but that seems asking for trouble.

Because that egg is corrupted to fucking hell, and while that doesn't actually make it be bathed in Dhar, because somehow dragons can just say no to that kind of stuff, it probably means that whatever hatches from it will be evil as fuck whetever it wants to or not. So either Everqueen/Avatar of Isha purification or bust, idk.
 
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Why would they not have Known that already considering they probably played a hand in taking care of the Egg and raising the Dragon?
Also since they knew it was a sentient creature why chains in the first place?

1. Not immune to arrogance and having kept it in captivity since hatching, likely imagined if it did happen it wouldn't be 'now', whenever the unfortunate 'now' would occur.
2. Because dragons are scary.

I suspects that the whole we won't do anything if you were just trying to get some firewood to keep your family warm or pick a few flowers has endeared Stephen much to the regular folks trying to live near what the new borders are.

After a certain point, if you cross the border, it's your fault. Besides which, Stephan has been rebuilding his province carefully. No settlements are that close to the border that can't go logging north, south, or east of their new/rebuilt locations. You have to actively expend considerable effort to try and cross into Laurelorn's borders by now. Those were just offhand examples, but seriously there are warnings in multiple languages, by law, etc. If you go in, it's on you.

And of course there are still people upset about that. We've gone over the greedy self-righteousness humans have held towards Laurelorn before in thread.

But overall, the common people are wholly behind Stephan, because of all he's done and has been doing for them. With how he's been supporting them, they rarely if ever actually need to cross west. In fact, since forming treaties with Laurelorn, idiot children are returned, given stern warnings etc.

It's the ones who go west with an axe, or proclamations about the Gods or their 'rightful claims' or with carts of goods outside of the properly determined trading locations and periods that are dealt with more harshly.
 
It hasn't won Stephan any favors from those bordering Laurelorn directly, but the sheer directness and immediacy of the matter has the Eonir's appreciation, so there's that.
This is why the martial support from the Eonir in this battle could be a major political coup for Stephan. "Yes, you can't go in there without permission and you can't complain to me if you break the rules. But they helped us crush the Druchi, so I'm sure you'll agree it's worth it."

Okay, perhaps not the right wording, but you understand the general point. "High quality martial support>being legally able to poke around in the forest and get shot"
 
Also I imagine that to a certain extent, "If you go across a certain hard-to-exactly-define boundary in this forested area, the Wood Elves will and forest-daemons getcha. So, watch out for that", was the case even before Laurelorn started making more open overtures to Stephan, no?

People in Nordland probably used to vanish in the forests, or if they got too close to the forests, before this too. Some of that was goblins, some of that Beastmen, some of that accidents, some of that cultists... some of that unknown and who knows what happened. But some of the vanishings were probably due to wood elves and forest spirits.

People already knew that if you went too deep into the forests or stayed there for too long, you were risking your life.

Now, there are more concrete borders and a concrete face to put on those threats and territories. Now, they know the forest belongs to somebody specifically, rather than it just being a dangerous place that they could sometimes get wood or furs or animal meat from.
 
Old World Dragons are also perfectly capable of speech and intelligent thought.

"When the Old Ones first crafted their Gates from the substance of stars, I was there to assist their labour. Down the long ages I have come, watching the rise and fall of you lesser races and your civilisations. I've laid waste to knights and cities, burned fields and routed armies in my years. I could tell you much of the world that you have forgotten and more that you never knew, but I think not. You and yours are suited for nothing more than to provide me with amusement and the occasional graceful bauble for my lair. I see little else worthwhile about you."

—Brinrairdih, also known as the "The Storm that Roars," Ancient Wyrm

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Caledair

Caledair, The Scythe of Fire, is an immense Red Dragon that once lived in Reikland.[1a] For many generations Caledair made her lair in the peaks of Drakenberg and hunted across the Vorbergland. While she has not been seen in over a century it is not known if she is truly gone or if she merely...

^ Huge dragon, nests near/around Reikland:

While flying above the town of Stimmigen during the harvest she smelled something she had never encountered before. Upon landing in the fields, she demanded that her curiosity be satisfied at once. What she smelled was the Ernwald-the legendary apples of Stimmigen-and was utterly delighted upon being presented with a few barrels. After her feast she swore she would never burn the fields of Stimmigen again so long as two large vats of Ernwald awaited her every harvest season.

^ Capable of interrogation, negotiation, demands, making promises and oaths verbally that are understood by others.

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There's also She, a Warpstone Dragon mercenary, who works only for more warpstone to devour, and doesn't communicate through regular speech but painfully manages to force her desires and intentions into the minds of those she is 'speaking' with.

And so on.

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Also, a quick jump back to the conversation on eggs, Malekith the Witch King's current mount Seraphon mentions the following:

After a band of Shades found a clutch of unguarded eggs, deep within the Spiteful Peaks mountain range, Malekith ordered that the eggs be brought back to Naggarond. There they were ritually tended by the priestesses of Khaine for almost a century until they hatched. Seraphon was the first to emerge and before the Witch Elves could stop him, he had destroyed many of the other eggs.

So...yeah.


You know reading about those does make me wonder how do dragons make a living in Ulthuan, since they can clearly have wants beyond just hunting down whatever comes up in order to fill their belly until the next meal. With exception of those dragons that do go to war for Ulthuan and presumably paid for such service how do Ulthuani dragons in DODA fund their various wants like baubles, unique meals etc,etc if they decide to not go to war with the Asur.
 
You know reading about those does make me wonder how do dragons make a living in Ulthuan, since they can clearly have wants beyond just hunting down whatever comes up in order to fill their belly until the next meal. With exception of those dragons that do go to war for Ulthuan and presumably paid for such service how do Ulthuani dragons in DODA fund their various wants like baubles, unique meals etc,etc if they decide to not go to war with the Asur.
I wouldn't think that dragons really participate in the economy like that. What I think happens is that Caledor pours as much of their wealth into dragons as possible, in order to keep as many of them awake at any given time as possible. The dragons don't trade services for wealth, they are given tribute and sometimes fight the beings that interrupt that process. This is all source gut feeling though.
 
Yeah. There's a reason we're not constantly up to our asses in people investigating us for being a Khornate cult for the family's ridiculous idea of what military training means.

It helps that nobles can canonically be a little wild or outright crazy without it being blamed on Chaos...or at least done so seriously.

And Elector Counts get even more latitude than regular nobles.

Theodoric Gausser was basically just lightly chastised for his civil warring efforts in canon, and Marius Leitdorf was...well. Himself. Sure the latter turned out to actually be because a Chaos lady was torturing him with visions nightly, but overall people weren't going 'aha he's tainted by Chaos'.
 
It helps that nobles can canonically be a little wild or outright crazy without it being blamed on Chaos...or at least done so seriously.

And Elector Counts get even more latitude than regular nobles.

Theodoric Gausser was basically just lightly chastised for his civil warring efforts in canon, and Marius Leitdorf was...well. Himself. Sure the latter turned out to actually be because a Chaos lady was torturing him with visions nightly, but overall people weren't going 'aha he's tainted by Chaos'.
Also the fact that we keep violently attacking chaos stuff probably helps us there
 
I mean, i would say the fact that freddy is blessed by hammer man to the point he is second only to magnus in the hammer god's book.
 
I mean, i would say the fact that freddy is blessed by hammer man to the point he is second only to magnus in the hammer god's book.
We're literally powered by Laurelorn gear, Daily Ghyran HEALLLS Sessions! Sigmar Male Gindset boost and Dwarf king blessing that Ariel did a spittake before going "WTF you doing? This is nuts."
Laurelorn boss lady replied "Yeah. It's all good."

Fredrick and his Ice Witch wife also had a soul binding ritual. A super deep one that allows him frost resistance and instant ice armor regardless of the distance.

THere's a good chance that he's gotten alot of longevity out of that deal.
 
I thought about something (shocker i know) but Emperor Magnus is not likely to dismiss Freddy's reports since he have a good reading on the man.
But i imagine reading the reports on laureon be... An experience for the man.
 
I thought about something (shocker i know) but Emperor Magnus is not likely to dismiss Freddy's reports since he have a good reading on the man.
But i imagine reading the reports on laureon be... An experience for the man.

Forget Laurelorn, did we ever get the Emperor's reaction to the sheer amount of bullshit Freddy had to wade through in Mount Vietnam? I mean yeah, sure, veteran of the Great War and all that, but boy oh boy that must've gotten more than a raised eyebrow from the monocle man
 
Forget Laurelorn, did we ever get the Emperor's reaction to the sheer amount of bullshit Freddy had to wade through in Mount Vietnam? I mean yeah, sure, veteran of the Great War and all that, but boy oh boy that must've gotten more than a raised eyebrow from the monocle man
Yes? Several times, we literally sat down and told him the story.
 
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