Voikirium
SV's Estalia Guy
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Far west has the Lizardmen. Now, while I may not hold to the usual Lizard Posts, I would absolutely rather deal with a bunch of humans than the Slann.
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Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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The 'Far West' would be...what, Lustria and Naggaroth? They're not going to be any more welcoming. The mahtmasi and Jade-Blooded don't like them either. There are Lahmians and Blood Dragons as far as Nippon which is as easy as you get. The Naga of Khuresh and the Deva of Ind + Brahtriya (Indi Bloodline) are also foes of the Strigoi.
Also Chaos don't like em either. Nor elves or dwarfs or ogres (taste bad) or skaven.
Like...to use a certain format...
At 5:00pm, Strigoi Said: If Neferata and her brood would do everything they could to prevent me from ever being able to live peacefully amongst or near humans, I would simply go somewhere else where I could still have a reasonable access to blood.
At 5:01pm, Strigoi Said: By Ushoran this can't be happening.
Also Chaos don't like em either. Nor elves or dwarfs or ogres (taste bad) or skaven.
Like...to use a certain format...
At 5:00pm, Strigoi Said: If Neferata and her brood would do everything they could to prevent me from ever being able to live peacefully amongst or near humans, I would simply go somewhere else where I could still have a reasonable access to blood.
At 5:01pm, Strigoi Said: By Ushoran this can't be happening.
Restalaan
What do you mean i am not a real cowboy?
Basically, when the enemy focused on espionage, tracking and information, it's really darn hard to stay in any place of civilization.
The Lahmians in particular is dedicated to screwing Strigoi.
@torroar
I don't suppose you'll be interested in running a Strigoi/Ushoran quest in the far future? The whole setting seems really cool.
The Lahmians in particular is dedicated to screwing Strigoi.
@torroar
I don't suppose you'll be interested in running a Strigoi/Ushoran quest in the far future? The whole setting seems really cool.
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I am sort of wandering now , if the Stregoi are 100% screwed come what may and the other vampires couldn't make things worse for them if they tried cause anything they could do has already been done to make it worse , why don't the Stregoi outright betray the vampire race by straight up throwing their lot in with their enemies , I mean throwing themselves at the mercy of the witch hunters , cults , collages of magic , the elector counts and anyone else who is opposed to vampires , offering them everything from secrets , lore , magic , information about the vampires and even offer to act as bait for the hunters to lure the vampires who pursue and harass them to the hunters or even directly aid the vampire hunters by helping identify and hunt down other vampires , sure odds are very high the Stregoi would be put down as soon as their use has run out but they have been getting ground down into extinction for a long time now by the other vampires so nothing has really changed and at least now they would get some measure of revenge on the other bloodlines
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They're too insane and too vampiric. They can't conceive of lowering themselves like that to humans.
Simply put, its too late. They are too feral and monstrous to leverage anything like that.
Also the Lahmians have thoroughly infiltrated society, any Strigoi that reveals itself is getting targeted by Lahmian backed kill teams.
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they have been lowed from being lords in their own right of a true vampire nation they founded to being hunted pariah subsisting on actual vermin , they can't get any lower as is
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Cold logic says that, maybe.
Insane vampiric pride does not. Too insane to consider, too prideful to go through with it.
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not for the collages or the witch hunters and many of the cults , super natural senses and divine providence respectively provide a measure of security others lack
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Since:
1. People who hate those vampires are also going to hate the Strigoi.
2. The Lahmians are already WAY ahead of the Strigoi in the influence over human nations contest.
The Strigoi can't even live in hiding in human society without the Lahmians finding them out and getting them hunted down, let alone if they spared them the effort of finding them by coming out in the open.
And the Lahmians know that and do their best to track those groups. You are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Its done, the Strigoi are finished as a faction.
Unfortunately, no. I mean, conceptually its interesting, but I just don't think I'll have the time/energy for that sort of thing. I won't say it is outright 100% impossible, but...its highly unlikely, is what I'm saying.
You'd have to either ISOT all of Strigos right when the shit was hitting the fan, or somehow get Ushoran to comprehend that he shouldn't bother contacting the other vampire Bloodlines, or at least not Neferata, or something. Or start the quest before Ushoran even made Strigos? Or something? Hard to say for certain, but...yeah.
Well, not necessarily. Every Main Old World Bloodline is given its day (night?) in Night's Dark Masters, and the Strigoi section is chockablock full of ominousness:
Not all of the Strigoi are lost in their reveries but, instead, use their memories of what they once had and their hunger for revenge as sparks to action and fuel for their great plans.
For others, the hunger becomes a cold, terrible resolve, hardened over the centuries into a will unmatched by any other creature. And whatever their mental state, all of the Strigoi are dangerous. Like all Vampires, they take their right to feed upon and dominate all lesser beings as a birthright, and they take just as much offence as their brethren when anything upsets this natural order.
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Nor do the Strigoi grant the Blood Kiss to anyone, except in the most exceptional of cases. Again, the risk of exposure is much greater after such a deed, and the idea of cursing anyone to live as they do is beyond even the vast cruelty of their dark souls. But it is snobbery as much as mercy that stays them from breeding; when Strigos does rise once again, the kingdom shall be inherited only by those who deserve to do so—those who were so cruelly deprived of it so many years ago. Someone who does not remember that event would only be able to join their number through incredible diligence and deference to the Strigos line.
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The Strigoi do not wait idly for their past glories to return. Even those lost in reverie or insanity ache to return to power and domination. Snatching moments of dominion over mindless Ghouls or some terrified Strigany is no substitute for true kingship, as if water for wine. But how can they bring back the great kingdom of Strigos whilst they remain so desperate and despised?
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Where the lands are hidden by fog, or thick woods, or high mountains, the Strigoi take root and begin, once again, to build their armies and dream of reclaiming their thrones. A whole country, however, would have to be established somewhere quite far from the Empire and its Human agents. The Badlands present the best alternative currently—mostly empty of both Humans and other Vampires and only partly threatened by Greenskins or Ogres. The fact it was once the land of Strigos is also not lost on the Strigoi kings. Further north and almost as lacking in population are the Border Princes, and these lonely, anarchic lands are also fertile ground for the ambitious Strigoi.
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Often, the Strigoi have no need of their strength, for their appearance alone has stopped the hearts of many strong, brave men. Especially as their appearance is often a surprise, for they sleep so long that mortals and immortals alike forget them, or think them no longer a threat. This is a mistake they rarely live long enough to regret. This is the way of the Strigoi; they are forced to dwell in the shadows, prevented from lording over mortal men, but they have kept their pride and their fury. They take what they know they are due and crush those who make the mistake of thinking them weak. And although they stay hidden, they refuse to be cowed by fear of the other bloodlines. Let them come, say the Strigoi. Let them come into the shadows, into our world, where we rule. Let them see what strength we have found in darkness. Let them discover that this so-called dying race has strength enough to kill them all. And let them know that like Ushoran the First, we are princes, kings, emperors and Gods. We are nobody's whipping boy.
They are beaten down, monstrous, but there is a lot of dark strength left in them, and those like Urzen the Unrelenting who was literally a Strigos General back in the day, who drills his troops, who has his own agents who do the reverse switcheroo on the usual Lahmian approach to Strigoi...they have things going on.
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TheOmnimercurial
Dragon Bard
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I am now thinking of Blood Dragons with blood and bones of Strigoi, which they use to resurrect slain Strigoi for another Hunt, or to create new Strigoi to lure out older targets etc....
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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The italicized bits are straight outta Night's Dark Masters, which is pretty much The Main Vampire Infobook for Warhammer Fantasy. The Liber Necris is strictly from Mannfred von Carstein's POV as it is written as if he was the one actually writing it, and the Mahtmasi and Jade-Blooded Supplement is a secondary thing created admittedly by one of the guys who was part of the team who did Night's Dark Masters.
So yeah, the past few italicized bits in my past few posts are not supposition on my part, they are not something I generated for DoDA, they aren't reasonable extrapolations of ain't nothing.
They are...Straight Outta Canon.
Urzen from pg. 73, the Strigoi stuff from the Strigoi Section which starts on Page 66, in the section 'The Strigoi: Beasts in Shadow'.
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Okay. After carefully reading between the lines, I believe I have figured out that what you're saying is basically:
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It never fucking ends.Okay. After carefully reading between the lines, I believe I have figured out that what you're saying is basically:
And it is amazing
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I think its the other vampires who really need to watch out , they know exactly who betrayed them and were the principal architects of their suffering , the order factions of lowly mortals were merely the pawns of their betters in this , thus unworthy of attentionOkay. After carefully reading between the lines, I believe I have figured out that what you're saying is basically:
"This guy was a meathead with no talent. And also he was a bully as a kid too!"
I mean, yeah, maybe this is true or partly true. But "Mannfred probably throwing shade and some misdirection too, and being a prick" still checks out as a viable partial explanation.
On the one hand, maybe there was something worthily punchable about Ushoran's face, since all the other bloodlines decided to dunk on him collectively. On the other hand, maybe they decided to dunk on him because they saw him as a threat to them (his kingdom was a threat to their dominance, or to their preferred modus operandi of working through the shadows; if he could set up a kingdom of vampires, and if he could reach out to other nations as well, then how much damage could he do to Neferata's get? would he be able to arm the mortal nations of knowledge of how to spot and eliminate Lahmians and other vampires? etc etc -- or perhaps for other reasons. Or perhaps he just got a stable kingdom up faster than they did, and they didn't have as much power or stability or security or dominance yet, but they did have spying operations and softpower or intrigue stuff and so could use that to topple him.) and then talked smack about him afterwards. Or maybe it was old grudges and vengeance from Nehekharan days or from the Nagash wars. Or maybe he really was getting together and preparing to war against the Lahmians or all other vampires as a whole or something and they decided to put a stop to that.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
Liber Necris and Night's Dark Masters both state that Abhorash hated Ushoran because Ushoran was the worst offender in Lahmia in terms of feeding of its population.
According to Liber Necris (I don't think Night's Dark Masters mentions this) the Bloodlines in general took poorly to Ushoran's offer to reside in Strigos because Ushoran had at the time come into possession of Nagash's hand and crown with which he could control them as Nagash had and so viewed his offer as just a trick meant to get them within reach so he could use the crown and hand on them.
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That may have been the origin of the word, but the usage of it evenduring the classical period does not always mean that way. I don't get where this whitewashing comes from, but during the times of Philip I even the some Greeks still call them barbaroi.
You wouldn't call Macedon during Philip I's time uncivilized savages would you?
Funny thing though, what we think is irrelevant, it's the Ancient Greeks' opinion on the subject that is relevant, and yes, by their standards, Makedonians and Philip very much were half-civilized savages at the very best, whose only redeeming feature was the ability to speak a bad Greek. See their refusal of leaving Makedonians be relevant in most ways until the city-state model went down the drainhard and Philip stop giving a choice in the matter through military might for instance.
And oh yes, Persia got called that too. Because their civilization was presented as a decadent mess by most Greek authors to prop themselves up, without regard for the truth (of course, history wasn't about this by then, but more about good histories). Despite the fact their civilization reaching the degree of complexity where an empire existed, with the administration it needed, while any poleis struggled to bully the others into submission.
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the Lahmians are very good at intrigue but they are not omniscient , other wise we wouldn't have been able to capture their entire presence in Ostland then hold and successfully deliver them to the elector meet leaving them at the mercy of the witch hunters and the emperor derailing and exposing their entire plan to ruin Freddy's rep , if they were that good then they would managed to free their agents from our dungeons or intercept them on the way to the elector meet , but they didn't
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
A lone murderhobo whom most humans would try to kill on sight upon its discovery, which practically all Strigoi are, is likely to have a lot less resources and means with which to confront and/or evade the Lahmians with then an elector count like Fredrick.
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