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Goddamn that is impressive honestly. I could not imagine subjecting myself to that much convoluted math.
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Goddamn that is impressive honestly. I could not imagine subjecting myself to that much convoluted math.
He was playing around with words. Like somebody deciding to descend into a "Kuzco's poison. The poison meant for Kuzco. That poison." skit for a bit, for fun.
As for Vlad and Isabella... Here's a funny twist to take on that event; perhaps what Isabella spent time convincing him of, was in siring a lot of Vampires? Not just herself, but others too. i.e. Vlad wanted to keep doing the (sort of) lone wolf thing, or keep it to just himself and his wife alone in Sylvania. But Isabella convinced him to Vampirize herself... and to keep going and make it a whole thing. And so we have the Vampire Wars started because Isabella dreamt more ambitiously than Vlad.
As for Vlad and Isabella... Here's a funny twist to take on that event; perhaps what Isabella spent time convincing him of, was in siring a lot of Vampires? Not just herself, but others too. i.e. Vlad wanted to keep doing the (sort of) lone wolf thing, or keep it to just himself and his wife alone in Sylvania. But Isabella convinced him to Vampirize herself... and to keep going and make it a whole thing. And so we have the Vampire Wars started because Isabella dreamt more ambitiously than Vlad.
Torr are you a tzeentch worshiper because this sounds like his area of mind gaming
Eh, it's not that convoluted.
Lahmians go, they make a roll, plus bonuses and penalties, and they're successful or fail.
Yellow Fang make a roll, plus bonuses and penalties, and they're successful or fail.
Humble Ones and Prosecutors do the same, and they're successful or fail.
Kislev/Kattarin/Alexandra take some actions, plus bonuses and penalties, and are successful or fail. They succeed at secretly stealing a number of Bohka mercenary contracts and have them signed to the Romanovs instead. Several Dolgan Chaos Cults are rooted out. Kislev City is now completely cleared of all Pantheonic Traditionalists. Anti-Vampiric Work continues as per usual, checking all known sorts of vampiric intrusion signs and behaviors amongst the populace on all levels. Tracking is being performed on strange movements in the Yellow Fang, as they may or may not be preparing something for their masters in the skaven.
^ Actions are not taken to remove the minor irritants that are the Humble Ones or Prosecutors. Actions are not taken to root out the Lahmians who, at the moment, are not yet known to have re-entered the game yet due to the fact that they are hiding themselves behind proxies and proxies.
See how that goes?
It's not the craziest thing, without having to write out everything in Actions and Results, its simplified.
"Did the Yellow Fang succeed in subverting the Humble Ones this turn? Roll, apply penalties/bonuses, its a success. So yes. They did."
Then, then next IRL Turn.
"Did the Yellow Fang maintain subversion? Roll, check, yeah."
And so on.
For the most part, with things like all of Naggaroth, Ulthuan, Bretonnia, Tilea, etc. I don't do that. I just sorta...shift things around as needed for story/narrative purpose reasons. But, on occasion, a roll or two or ten shows up as necessary, such as the Everqueen booting the Druchii out of Ulthuan, that sort of thing.
Individual adventures, like Johanna+Genevieve in Cathay, or Alexandra and the Tomb of Shoika, are multiple heavy rolling sessions....but still don't take overmuch that long, its the writing that takes more of it. Or, in the case of the latter, way less rolling, just one or two, but lots of fun imaginative descriptors to cover the period as the muse and wont strike me.
It's not super consistently consistent, but uh, its sort of how things have worked...ish...for a while. And it's still working, or rather my brain is, so it continues to work.
Lahmians go, they make a roll, plus bonuses and penalties, and they're successful or fail.
Yellow Fang make a roll, plus bonuses and penalties, and they're successful or fail.
Humble Ones and Prosecutors do the same, and they're successful or fail.
Kislev/Kattarin/Alexandra take some actions, plus bonuses and penalties, and are successful or fail. They succeed at secretly stealing a number of Bohka mercenary contracts and have them signed to the Romanovs instead. Several Dolgan Chaos Cults are rooted out. Kislev City is now completely cleared of all Pantheonic Traditionalists. Anti-Vampiric Work continues as per usual, checking all known sorts of vampiric intrusion signs and behaviors amongst the populace on all levels. Tracking is being performed on strange movements in the Yellow Fang, as they may or may not be preparing something for their masters in the skaven.
^ Actions are not taken to remove the minor irritants that are the Humble Ones or Prosecutors. Actions are not taken to root out the Lahmians who, at the moment, are not yet known to have re-entered the game yet due to the fact that they are hiding themselves behind proxies and proxies.
See how that goes?
It's not the craziest thing, without having to write out everything in Actions and Results, its simplified.
"Did the Yellow Fang succeed in subverting the Humble Ones this turn? Roll, apply penalties/bonuses, its a success. So yes. They did."
Then, then next IRL Turn.
"Did the Yellow Fang maintain subversion? Roll, check, yeah."
And so on.
For the most part, with things like all of Naggaroth, Ulthuan, Bretonnia, Tilea, etc. I don't do that. I just sorta...shift things around as needed for story/narrative purpose reasons. But, on occasion, a roll or two or ten shows up as necessary, such as the Everqueen booting the Druchii out of Ulthuan, that sort of thing.
Individual adventures, like Johanna+Genevieve in Cathay, or Alexandra and the Tomb of Shoika, are multiple heavy rolling sessions....but still don't take overmuch that long, its the writing that takes more of it. Or, in the case of the latter, way less rolling, just one or two, but lots of fun imaginative descriptors to cover the period as the muse and wont strike me.
It's not super consistently consistent, but uh, its sort of how things have worked...ish...for a while. And it's still working, or rather my brain is, so it continues to work.
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For all Walach said it was basically whim that stopped him from storming the Silver Pinnacle, I think it was more impressive psychological manipulation carefully implemented. The male Lahmian was sent precisely to have Walach come to that conclusion himself.
My read on all this is that if we want to get into the intrigue game we need to set up a chain of subverted groups to amass larger and larger bonuses to intruge actions, then hit our enemies from a direction they are not expecting.
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I mean, they've been doing it longer than we have. We probably wouldn't have done so well in counter Intrigue if they weren't focused on doing the same thing to other provinces, nations, and people's across the world. And even part of our success has been by dint of allies doing work.
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My takeaway is that I am so, so very glad that the Lahmians have their fingers in so many pies. Imagine if just, the entirety of the bloodline and Neferata's attentions were focused on, say, solely the Empire. That'd be a (horrifying) sight to see
Lahmian Bonuses to Subverted Groups is dependent on being sourced from the Lahmians, who are inhumanely capable of manipulating minds and emotions, compelling voices and thoughts, and outright controlling you, amongst other things.
It would not work the same way, necessarily, if an Imperial-based group attempted to do the same thing.
Neferata is pathologically incapable of focusing solely on the Empire.
Gotrek and Felix shows that she, Neferata, is literally still regularly sending assassins after Khalida on a VERY consistent basis. Not even expected to succeed, but practically pro forma at this point. She's got servants and pushes trying to take down Khalida and take Nehekhara all over again, right now even.
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Yeah, it showed that she creates what looks like genuine threats and attempts against Khalida, but it's more of a vicious game played with nations as the pieces and prize. She makes and trains up minions capable of theoretically at least forcing Lahmia to act in defense of itself in what looks a great battle for the fate of the dead city-state, but it's just a cycle she continues because she can't stop.
The book's entire antagonist plot worthy of a legend? Just another metaphorical spitball of "maybe this idea will work"
I know it's a bit off topic from the current Kislev discussion (but maybe people want a break from that), but I've been thinking about the line from soup tank to the vapor tanks.
Frederick paid an enormous amount of money for that soup tank. Just an assload of money, a notable percentage of income. It paid off in the end too, producing a unique weapon system in the vapor tanks that nobody else has. And of course, he didn't buy the soup tank just for the technology, it was also a political maneuver to provide cover for the halfling faction he wanted to bring in from the Moot.
But what on earth did people think of it? We rarely hear what people think of Frederick's decisions, because few people have the guts to say "What the hell are you thinking?" to the Count, and it's just assumed the Natasha gets it all explained to her anyway. I wonder what the people on Frederick's Council thought of the soup tank purchase. Did they understand the dual political and technological considerations behind the purchase? Did anyone who wasn't an Engineer themselves really believe that "Ostland steam tanks" could come out of all this money and work? Did seeing all that gold flow out of the province for a fancy toy burn like a dagger in Sabine's heart? Did people "get it" or was it "Frederick's Folly, I sure hope he knows what he's doing"? Even now, are there those who wish the money had been spent elsewhere?
I get curious about that sometimes, what people really think of some of Frederick's crazy decisions, especially one like this which was a mini version of the Manhattan Project in terms of resources and trained personnel put into it.
Frederick paid an enormous amount of money for that soup tank. Just an assload of money, a notable percentage of income. It paid off in the end too, producing a unique weapon system in the vapor tanks that nobody else has. And of course, he didn't buy the soup tank just for the technology, it was also a political maneuver to provide cover for the halfling faction he wanted to bring in from the Moot.
But what on earth did people think of it? We rarely hear what people think of Frederick's decisions, because few people have the guts to say "What the hell are you thinking?" to the Count, and it's just assumed the Natasha gets it all explained to her anyway. I wonder what the people on Frederick's Council thought of the soup tank purchase. Did they understand the dual political and technological considerations behind the purchase? Did anyone who wasn't an Engineer themselves really believe that "Ostland steam tanks" could come out of all this money and work? Did seeing all that gold flow out of the province for a fancy toy burn like a dagger in Sabine's heart? Did people "get it" or was it "Frederick's Folly, I sure hope he knows what he's doing"? Even now, are there those who wish the money had been spent elsewhere?
I get curious about that sometimes, what people really think of some of Frederick's crazy decisions, especially one like this which was a mini version of the Manhattan Project in terms of resources and trained personnel put into it.
Vast majority of people slotted it into Ye Olde 'Frederick von Hohenzollern is a mad drunkard brute who stumbles around babbling if it weren't for his wife handling things' Category, at least at first.
Then uh, you know. The Vapor Tank happened, and all of a sudden many people went 'oh, wait, what?'
1. No, they did not. Even Natasha was about the only one who sort of got it, but for the most part, most people, halflings are disregardable as prospects so why would you burn political effort on them at all except to try and get your land back (if you are Stirland)
2. Not really, not at all. In fact, most engineers didn't even think it was possible, given how the Steam Tanks have gone for so long.
3. Yes, yes it did.
4. The latter, honestly. But none were willing to say it to his face who liked him, and those who didn't/don't like him were hoping it was a failure regardless.
5. Some, yes, but there are always those sorts.
Then uh, you know. The Vapor Tank happened, and all of a sudden many people went 'oh, wait, what?'
1. No, they did not. Even Natasha was about the only one who sort of got it, but for the most part, most people, halflings are disregardable as prospects so why would you burn political effort on them at all except to try and get your land back (if you are Stirland)
2. Not really, not at all. In fact, most engineers didn't even think it was possible, given how the Steam Tanks have gone for so long.
3. Yes, yes it did.
4. The latter, honestly. But none were willing to say it to his face who liked him, and those who didn't/don't like him were hoping it was a failure regardless.
5. Some, yes, but there are always those sorts.
The best part is that we are a mad drunkard brute who stumbles around babbling, and our Wife does handle things. We are just also brilliant as stewardship and everyone keeps forgetting this until we do something crazy like dissect the trap within a complex tax code change at a glance.
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That does explain a lot about what happened behind the scenes. Things aren't good, but at least the Lahmian conspiracy has been dragged into the open so they can start being dealt with.
Assuming we're alive and not distracted by other things, what will we be able to learn from this and implement for Ostland's counter-intelligence efforts? We can't make our own secret police, but there should be some lessons we can draw from all of this mess.
Assuming we're alive and not distracted by other things, what will we be able to learn from this and implement for Ostland's counter-intelligence efforts? We can't make our own secret police, but there should be some lessons we can draw from all of this mess.
How many factions get the privilege of a full Dynasty Quest behind the scenes?
Pretty much just Kislev, at this point.
It used to be Bretonnia, Kislev, and to a more reduced and lesser extent Araby/Tilea/Estalia.
But honestly? Way too exhausting. I don't do the GeNPC thing anymore, and I stripped it down all the way to just Kislev at this point. I only have so much energy these days.
It used to be Bretonnia, Kislev, and to a more reduced and lesser extent Araby/Tilea/Estalia.
But honestly? Way too exhausting. I don't do the GeNPC thing anymore, and I stripped it down all the way to just Kislev at this point. I only have so much energy these days.
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Though from Neferata's point of view there's really no reason to want to focus solely on the Empire to begin with. The ultimate end goal of her machinations is to take over Lahmia, not the Empire.
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I feel like I just got slapped in the head. Nat's sister is the Vampire ruler of Kislev?!? Now I'm actually kinda hoping she gets turned in this timeline. That would be wild as all fuck. Just imagine Kat and Guin meeting. Shit, she may even never get deposed here if she spins this right.
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You'll forgive me if I don't want that. Don't get me wrong, as a story it could be cool, as something detrimental to our cause and character personally, not so cool.
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Torroar, I don't think you need to pull the veil aside for the inner workings of your quest just because some people do not like the way things are going. I think most people here, while perhaps shocked at the way the story has gone, won't even think you are not being fair.
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Vampires can't help but lust for more, and she hasn't tried to be a better person based on human standards like our favorite duo. Ergo, it's there, so she wants (to manipulate and control) it.
Indeed. I only knew it was complicated from long exposure, never needed to know how it worked. I have faith, and fun, without knowing.
I feel like Frederick comes off as far dumber then he actually is as a general rule.
Like people underestimating his intelligence happens quite a lot.
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To this day he acts smart and people stare at him in surprise.
Perhaps. I've talked about the Kislev psuedo-quest framing for notes and progression stuff before. And I've also mentioned how enemies get intrigue rolls and stuff on their own too. So it's not like it's that much of a 'reveal' at this point.
But yeah, hopefully going forward, I won't have to try and explain everything in too much detail.
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I don't think you need to explain anything with a quest and storylines as good and as long-running as yours? Perhaps you need some reliable people to bounce ideas back and forth with. But your mechanics, and the way you have been deciding world events, are solid.
Explanation from you is not something to be expected, it is something people should be happy to be getting.