The armies of the forest and range already do that.
We have dedicated flying scouts on the range and the army of the forest cater to taalite and Ulricians sensibilities. The thing is not much we have that is so specialize that only one army of the armies have use.
 
I see. Again have just been pushing for more special units.

Hey if Logan is able to get to be a High Priest of Ulric, what could we expect he'd be getting for war gear and abilities?

Personally I want him to be trained by the Teutogen Guard and get a special warhammer.
 
Logan is alread the Al-Ulric...
Jokes aside the hammer of Al-Ulric is a sacred relic.
He would have something like the light of the summer that is a save, because everyone have, chances are he could get dawi made gear but that is more due he being a helhozen...
 
Logan is alread the Al-Ulric...
Jokes aside the hammer of Al-Ulric is a sacred relic.
He would have something like the light of the summer that is a save, because everyone have, chances are he could get dawi made gear but that is more due he being a helhozen...

Would he get Stonebreaker after Magnus becomes Elector Count when Freddy passes away or would the Dwarfs be willing to make one?

Could we use the same Dwarf that made Oskana's plate armor or pester Kragg to make one?
 
Oh! If we do talk to the Wissenland Countess later we can always ask if her terror bird riding knights would be interested in setting up a Chapterhouse in Ostland, which would give us some independent units that have monstrous cavalry!

From the rumor mills of their work we know they have been very successful in hunting beastmen and goblins so I am sure they could help a lot in patrolling our province's forests.
 
Oh! If we do talk to the Wissenland Countess later we can always ask if her terror bird riding knights would be interested in setting up a Chapterhouse in Ostland, which would give us some independent units that have monstrous cavalry!

From the rumor mills of their work we know they have been very successful in hunting beastmen and goblins so I am sure they could help a lot in patrolling our province's forests.
Might have to give something in return for that, like some knight of the bull? Or maybe some cannons. Probably something has to be given.
 
Would he get Stonebreaker after Magnus becomes Elector Count when Freddy passes away or would the Dwarfs be willing to make one?

Could we use the same Dwarf that made Oskana's plate armor or pester Kragg to make one?
Nope, Stonebreaker is something to be passed down magnus family, it was not Fredy's to begin with.

The Al-Ulric hammer is a divine relic we cant just replace it.

What we can do is get a dwaf runelord to make fredy a sword so he can pass down brain wounder.

And we can pay the dawi to get a dwaf made armor for fredy's children. But if its not grimoril Alexandra could made it better once he figure it out.
 
Oh! If we do talk to the Wissenland Countess later we can always ask if her terror bird riding knights would be interested in setting up a Chapterhouse in Ostland, which would give us some independent units that have monstrous cavalry!

From the rumor mills of their work we know they have been very successful in hunting beastmen and goblins so I am sure they could help a lot in patrolling our province's forests.
How many of those Knights exist? Also which rumor mills talked about them?
 
I don't think this requires an action, but could we drop a letter to Count Rommel asking his permission to approach the three acceptable potential successor houses? Don't want to piss off Rommel by just visiting them, but it might help us to know who we may be dealing with in the future. It also tends to be easier to influence a succession by backing one side instead of just opposing one. backing one successor makes our enemies to choose from several choices on who to back, and there is only one wrong answer there. opposing one just gives our enemies an ally to back.

Rommel seems to favor House Holswig, but isn't opposed to House Schliestein, or the Baron. Wouldn't hurt to get to know them, and the last time Sabine visited successor houses Ostland won. We aren't Sabine, but we still might get more info and potentially make some deals.

What does everyone else think?

Feels like too much outside meddling in Reikland politics directly to actually have any worth to visit the three acceptables.

The best candidates are the Holswig anyways. That is the house most active on the diplomatic front, which is necessary to control Reikland. The Holswig also show impressive diplomatic skill in the simple act of suggesting the Schliestein to Rommel (the Holswig promoted a rival for a candidate to gain Rommel's attention). More impressive is that the Holswig managed to help Rommel solve the sewage problem in Altdorf (Rommel threw the problem at the guilds in Altdorf, only for the guilds to lose their focus on the objective). Obviously the Holswig are not likely martial focused, but they can adapt their diplomatic skill to multiple scenarios, or delegate in martial matters.

The Böhrn have a tight grip on land in Reikland's most heavily cultivated Vorbergland, with problems communicating outside of themselves. They are also the most quiet among the candidates, with no claims upon Altdorf to strengthen their claim to Elector Count (any Elector Count of Reikland needs Altdorf, as the place is too important to not have it as the seat of power for a Count of Reikland). The Schliestein have been active in the rumor mill in Reikland's military accomplishments, but suffer from a main focus upon martial matters. The Holzkrug are confirmed unsuitable.

Either the Holswig, or the Schliestein. Any other house just won't be a good fit for Reikland's Elector Count. The Schliestein will get entangled with the Hoslwig anyways, or the Holswig will get entangled with the Schliestein. Out of necessity, or because the Holswig are in a good relationship with the Schliestein.
 
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Feels like too much outside meddling in Reikland politics directly to actually have any worth to visit the three acceptables.

The best candidates are the Holswig anyways. That is the house most active on the diplomatic front, which is necessary to control Reikland. The Holswig also show impressive diplomatic skill in the simple act of suggesting the Schliestein to Rommel (the Holswig promoted a rival for a candidate to gain Rommel's attention). More impressive is that the Holswig managed to help Rommel solve the sewage problem in Altdorf (Rommel threw the problem at the guilds in Altdorf, only for the guilds to lose their focus on the objective). Obviously the Holswig are not likely martial focused, but they can adapt their diplomatic skill to multiple scenarios, or delegate in martial matters.

The Böhrn have a tight grip on land in Reikland's most heavily cultivated Vorbergland, with problems communicating outside of themselves. They are also the most quiet among the candidates, with no claims upon Altdorf to strengthen their claim to Elector Count (any Elector Count of Reikland needs Altdorf, as the place is too important to not have it as the seat of power for a Count of Reikland). The Schliestein have been active in the rumor mill in Reikland's military accomplishments, but suffer from a main focus upon martial matters. The Holzkrug are confirmed unsuitable.

Either the Holswig, or the Schliestein. Any other house just won't be a good fit for Reikland's Elector Count. The Schliestein will get entangled with the Hoslwig anyways, or the Holswig will get entangled with the Schliestein. Out of necessity, or because the Holswig are in a good relationship with the Schliestein.

I want to ASK first to avoid conflict with Reikland and Rommel in particular. That would avoid a lot of the political fallout from meddling.

Holswig are the logical ones we should back. This makes them someone we probably should get to know, seeing as they are good administrators and politicians.

The Bohrn probably never had a chance, but they are a agricultural heavy House. The type of people that might be interested in our seed drills or other advancements. Also an army marches on it's stomach. If we can get trade deals with them, we then have political power with them. Power that we could later use to encourage them to side with Holswig. I kinda doubt that the Baron has any real hope for getting the Runefang. I'd bet it's more of a ploy to increase their power. Never start a negotiation at what you will actually accept. I think they are looking to see which of the 3 real contenders will be the highest bidder for their help.

Finally the Schliesteins. They are a martial house. A large part of our economy comes from arms production. not just guns but also from more mundane arms and armor. like with the Bohrn, we have a legitimate reason to approach them. The point with trade relations holds with them too. They however ARE serious contenders. However being good at killing things doesn't make you good at running a province or at politics.

I'm more arguing to talk to each and get a feel for them by discussing trade with them. We would probably still back Holswig, but we also might have ways to support them that doesn't involve a Ostland army in Reikland fighting Reiklanders. That's a good way to piss EVERYONE off. send gold: sure. use political pressure: ofcourse. Threaten trade embargos: that's fair in politics. Marching an army against imperial citizens because of internal provicitial politics? No way in hell should we do them. Send mercs as deniable assets? The halfling operation is only a few years old. so no go there either.

I want to set the stage where we CAN help without causing a massive political incident. when all you have is a hammer, all problems start to look like nails. and our army is a pretty big hammer. Let's try to give ourselves something other than a hammer, because look where that got us the last time we used our nice shiny Silver Hammer when we had a problem.
 
Might have to give something in return for that, like some knight of the bull? Or maybe some cannons. Probably something has to be given.
Most likely, but thankfully Countess likes Freddy so should be possible if we go that route.
How many of those Knights exist? Also which rumor mills talked about them?
Shining Talon Tears Apart Foes: The curious two-legged avians that the Order of the Shining Talon rides upon are not to be discounted, for all that they are odd and loud. Nor are the knights who ride them. Fully armored in plate, wielding lance and sword, atop beasts with beaks capable of biting clear through a black orc, the Shining Talon were once the pride of Solland. Though that province is defunct, it's memory is still yet honored by the Shining Talon, who this year committed to a great purge of the forests up and down Wissenland. Though the greenskins are wholly absent, either having been successfully put down or more commonly – and unfortunately – escaping to the south past Black Fire Pass, the beastmen have grown more numerous in recent years. Well, this year, those numbers have certainly been heavily culled. Several warherds were run down this year, from gors to bestigors and even minotaurs. The heads of multiple chieftains and Beastlords were piled high upon the floor of Countess Toppenheimer's court as marks of their success. Gruesome, yes, but glorious in its own way. Of course, the heads were then later disposed of, as such rotten things are not worth being mounted. The horns, however, were shaved off and placed into a large silver basin which now has a pride of place in the Shining Talon's main Chapterhouse.
Here is one example.
 
I want to ASK first to avoid conflict with Reikland and Rommel in particular. That would avoid a lot of the political fallout from meddling.

Holswig are the logical ones we should back. This makes them someone we probably should get to know, seeing as they are good administrators and politicians.

The Bohrn probably never had a chance, but they are a agricultural heavy House. The type of people that might be interested in our seed drills or other advancements. Also an army marches on it's stomach. If we can get trade deals with them, we then have political power with them. Power that we could later use to encourage them to side with Holswig. I kinda doubt that the Baron has any real hope for getting the Runefang. I'd bet it's more of a ploy to increase their power. Never start a negotiation at what you will actually accept. I think they are looking to see which of the 3 real contenders will be the highest bidder for their help.

Finally the Schliesteins. They are a martial house. A large part of our economy comes from arms production. not just guns but also from more mundane arms and armor. like with the Bohrn, we have a legitimate reason to approach them. The point with trade relations holds with them too. They however ARE serious contenders. However being good at killing things doesn't make you good at running a province or at politics.

I'm more arguing to talk to each and get a feel for them by discussing trade with them. We would probably still back Holswig, but we also might have ways to support them that doesn't involve a Ostland army in Reikland fighting Reiklanders. That's a good way to piss EVERYONE off. send gold: sure. use political pressure: ofcourse. Threaten trade embargos: that's fair in politics. Marching an army against imperial citizens because of internal provicitial politics? No way in hell should we do them. Send mercs as deniable assets? The halfling operation is only a few years old. so no go there either.

I want to set the stage where we CAN help without causing a massive political incident. when all you have is a hammer, all problems start to look like nails. and our army is a pretty big hammer. Let's try to give ourselves something other than a hammer, because look where that got us the last time we used our nice shiny Silver Hammer when we had a problem.
Still comes off as a time sink better used elsewhere, and as uncomfortable provincial meddling from Ostland. Ostland and Reikland just gained a trade pact. More trade from Reikland's nobility is really coming off as too much, once Freddy succeeded at the Elector Count level.

And as we both have noted, there is enough information that makes only the Schliesteins and the Holswig as candidates for Elector Count in Reikland. With the Holswig being a better candidate through being more than a solid martial house.

The seed drill point for the Bohrn isn't really a point at all. There are currently religious issues that are stalling the sale of the seed drill, and Ostland opened up the sale of the seed drill to all in the empire this turn. The seed drill cannot be used the way you are thinking.

Rommel granting permission to interfere in Reikland at the levels below Elector Count is really odd. Freddy comes with Nordland and Ostermark. Or at least he probably does, with Rommel voicing actual concern for preventing the one house from winning. Freddy would likely tell Stephan and Ortrud about the problem for the empire. If the Riekland nobility cannot choose a Elector Count, the Elector Counts will choose for them. Or Magnus will interfere in keeping the one house from the seat, Magnus did choose the Elector Count of Hochland. Rommel has options that don't require Elector Count interference upon Reikland to the point that Elector Count would control the position of Elector Count for Reikland. Rommel only needs one house prevented from taking the position, not for Freddy to choose who becomes the Elector Count for Reikland.
 
Guys how feasible is a vapor-powered ironclad for Ostland? Surely it's not just a simple matter of making a bigger engine, and there's also the fact that Im not certain if Ostland shipwrights know how to make metal-heavy ships float. On the other hand, it'll be a good challenge for our engineers, maybe we'll even make something like a propeller.

That said, im well aware it's definitely not a priority right now, what with the imperial fleets doing fine, kislev as well, and high elven ships always eager to take on some dark elves. Not to mention most of our upcoming threats mostly being land-based, especially the beastmen hordes.
 
Guys how feasible is a vapor-powered ironclad for Ostland? Surely it's not just a simple matter of making a bigger engine, and there's also the fact that Im not certain if Ostland shipwrights know how to make metal-heavy ships float. On the other hand, it'll be a good challenge for our engineers, maybe we'll even make something like a propeller.

That said, im well aware it's definitely not a priority right now, what with the imperial fleets doing fine, kislev as well, and high elven ships always eager to take on some dark elves. Not to mention most of our upcoming threats mostly being land-based, especially the beastmen hordes.

I believe that at the moment boarding actions are still the dominate mode of naval combat, so ironclads won't be *that* useful.
 
[X] Plan Religious Options
-[X] Attempt To Meet With A Religious Elector About Something
--[X] Speaking with the Ar-Ulric about spreading the Flame of Ulric on our High Priest's request
-[X] Attempt To Meet With One Of the Imperial Cults About Something
--[X] Meeting with the Cult of Myrmidia, who are still working to regain political strength in the Empire, and potentially work some sort of deal out with them
-[X] Speak with Countess Toppenheimer to set up more trade between provinces.

Seeing Freddy really going at it with the cults really hits me as how far h has come since his early years. Though through the lens of practicality; I should not be surprised, yet still am. Exciting times ahead, and I'm really looking forward to what the Ar-Ulric's gonna need to bolster our chances in successfully reproducing the flame.

… It's going to need Freddy doing something monumental again isn't it?

And I've just got a thing for a situation: Freddy vs. Gunthar Freezing Diplo Bugaloo 2!

Now with actual combat!

Hmm yes, that thought sounds much better than surprising Gunthar in disguise with Urgdug should we opt to slum it in Nuln once again.
 
[X] Plan Religious Options
-[X] Attempt To Meet With A Religious Elector About Something
--[X] Speaking with the Ar-Ulric about spreading the Flame of Ulric on our High Priest's request
-[X] Attempt To Meet With One Of the Imperial Cults About Something
--[X] Meeting with the Cult of Myrmidia, who are still working to regain political strength in the Empire, and potentially work some sort of deal out with them
-[X] Speak with Countess Toppenheimer to set up more trade between provinces.
 
[X] Plan Religious Options
-[X] Attempt To Meet With A Religious Elector About Something
--[X] Speaking with the Ar-Ulric about spreading the Flame of Ulric on our High Priest's request
-[X] Attempt To Meet With One Of the Imperial Cults About Something
--[X] Meeting with the Cult of Myrmidia, who are still working to regain political strength in the Empire, and potentially work some sort of deal out with them
-[X] Speak with Countess Toppenheimer to set up more trade between provinces.
 
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[X] Planifier des options religieuses
-[X] Tentative de rencontre avec un électeur religieux à propos de quelque chose
--[X] Parler avec l'Ar-Ulric de la propagation de la Flamme d'Ulric à la demande de notre Grand Prêtre
-[X] Tentative de rencontre avec l'un des cultes impériaux à propos de quelque chose
--[X] Rencontre avec le Culte de Myrmidia, qui s'efforce toujours de regagner de la force politique dans l'Empire, et potentiellement de conclure une sorte d'accord avec eux
-[X] Parlez à la comtesse Toppenheimer pour mettre en place plus de commerce entre les provinces.
...No offense, Dude, but why did you write that in French?
 
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