Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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@torroar I had plans for today. They we're not read 24k words. After a more than a week of bullshit I was even looking forward to hours of porn again. Sigh. Well your new chapter isn't the only thing that popped up. Just the one relevant to the thread. 😣 Excuse me I need to get started on another shit day soon.

I'll read this fully when I can, instead of just skimming it like now, but in the meantime I do appreciate the awkward horror and disgust of talking with the Norse you wrote.
 
Y'know, I'm almost tempted to stay at Mama Ganna's Bucket just so we can see who decides to take a swing at us.

Funnily enough, I doubt it would be the residents we would have to watch out for. Frederick is popular enough from his act of piety and reputation to get on the good side of the locals.

Nah I expect Skaven or hired Mercs to come for us.

Though Skaven are a risk no matter where we stay for the night.
 
Wonderful little look into the various parts of Marienburg in general @torroar, I hope it wasn't too much for you at once.

I think the Norscan Town part hit me the most since as Freddy said its so weird to interact with the people who live there like you would normal people only to remember they are Chaos worshippers who would gladly go a raiding if the Gods asked them too. At least Freddy learned a bit about their culture and in turn might use that in some way when they come around Ostland again.

The news about Kislev and Kat are also concerning in their own way, and every day makes me fear we have to look forward to a canon Kattrian the Bloody, vampire addition.
 
I went specifically looking for this since I wanted to find where I've seen the Lizardmen and Norsca intersect in this quest before

torroar said:
Earthquakes In Troll Country, Lights In The Sky: The Northern Oblast was stricken by minor earthquakes this year, though none of it was severe enough to cause problems save for those who built their stanistas in the foothills of the mountains themselves. Even then, these were Ungol settlements, and there was little stopping them from simply picking up and riding elsewhere. On the other hand, the lights which peak over the lands of Norsca could be seen this year, even down below the border of the Northern Oblast, to a certain extent at least. The polar lights are often of discomforting colors, but this year were struck by a terrifying single set of blues, with none of the greens, reds, or purple and pinks that normally streak through it. At least, when the lights existed at all. In truth, they were almost completely reduced in existence and visibility for most of the year save for at the height of winter, when they flared out enough that the Ungols swear they could see them from miles and miles away. Meanwhile, in Troll Country, those who dare to live in that awful land dealt with monstrous resurgences that Torus Ivan was only barely able to deal with, as well as nightmares which flitted through the minds of those of the Grand Army who were present there.
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"Praise Lord Ulha'up, Praise the Voyager in the Rain Drops of Eternity," the daughter yelled, arms raised to the sky! "Praise Their Prophet, who revealed to us the truth of the Old Ones!"

Both arched their heads back and let loose a guttural and inhuman sound of rasping hisses and howls, a prayer in the alien language known as Saurian emerging into the air, all the while their eyes remained open, remained insanely wide. When they looked back down, they bared their teeth to the shock of the centuries old servant of Chaos.

"You are mad, pathetic creatures," the Champion declared. "Unworthy of life, but I may yet present your skull to Khorne!"

"Come then, fool! I am Freya Blazeheart, wife of Ivar, servant of the of the Old Ones!" The woman cried, pushing her daughter to the side. "I will sacrifice you to Chotec that you might fuel the burning of the sun, let Tepok pick your soul over for its secrets, give your meat to Sotek that He might feast!"
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So it seems that there are, in-quests at least, some non chaos worshipping Norscans, but the ones in Marienberg are not aware of them yet.
 
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[] Burn Norscan town to the ground honoring your ancestors.

I am kidding but did not expect every Norscan to be a chaos worshipper. Also love that the Udose are still remember for killing so many Norscan.
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Do keep in mind the Norscan view of the world: Reality is a falsehood meant as a test by the Gods, and the only truth lies with the Gods and their Realm. Mutations aren't actually mutations, but rather the Gods revealing what you always were beneath the veil of reality that stopped you from seeing the truth. Following that logic, killing and dying isn't nearly as serious, because if life is a lie then who really cares? All belongs to the Gods, and all will eventually be theirs, so enjoy the stay while you're here, and be ready to do as the Gods command when they come calling.

For the Southern Tribes, this means that when they aren't raiding, some of them are perfectly willing to be (relatively) friendly to Southerners, and trade with them, or go south for mercenary work. After all, everything will belong to the Gods eventually anyhow, so it doesn't really matter if you go and make some money to enjoy your stay while you can. It's the Northern Tribes who are Death Metal Frozen Mad Max 24/7. There's a reason why Surtha Ek comes from the Vargs after all.
 
One funny thought. Give the coffee and Rubber tree's seeds for the wood elves. Maybe seeing that tree would amuse the elder treeman...
...Probably not. but the elves probably can make some really good coffee and good quality rubber to sell to the humans later.
edit: one piece treeman, the treeman made of wood and rubber :p
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Wind-Up Citrus said:
A bitter pill to swallow but at least Frederick knows fully well that at the end of the day he will have to probably kill a few of these Norscans to defend his home.

It was a bit understandable when it came to Nippon town being full of Nippon and Cathay expats who can only kill each other. Petty struggles that won't change the course of the war. At this point only hatred for themselves thinking dying this way helps anyone.

I'd like to buy rubber trees. That seems to be one thing from our tour that is viable. Coffee too I guess. Everything like Norscan mead too much a Chaos risk and I feel Fred is soured on that trade. Maybe get that owner of the white stuck boar a deal if they want to send a chef or open a shop in Wulfenberg. The dwarves are busy, the Elves aren't interested and it seems the rest of town is essentially shut down until further notice.
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I think we can't get rubber and coffee. Rubber has to be grown and processed in Ind. That locks out growing rubber trees for Ostland, which is too cold for the trees anyways, unless we got greenhouses. Coffee has an issue with limited supply, we might be able to get a trade deal going to buy coffee from Araby. That is probably something for the main turns, not the Marienburg interlude.
 
Simon_Jester said:
On the other hand, the cultists of Manaan are no doubt experienced shipbuilders and ship repair experts.

So even without magic they'd be relatively good at figuring out how we built a ship by examining it, or at taking chunks of a ship apart and putting them back together. It'd just take them time, probably.
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I figured they'd be experts, of course, and even some magic/divine talent going on wouldn't have been a surprise, but I also figured giving the designs would help the process be more efficient if nothing else.

Toad said:
Personally it's more of an issue of a cult member basically insulting a high ranking member of the nobility for asking a perfectly reasonable question, and the way it's written comes off as a cheap shot against whoever wrote the vote.
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torroar said:
. If it came across as, like, a 'gotcha' to the vote maker, I did not intend it to be seen as such. I just followed along with Frederick suffering massive bloodloss and drinking a lot to get over the pain immediately before going into the conversation. Apologies to anyone who feels like it was a jab.

Frankly, I was astonished no one voted for, like, just take a nap instead of going on a city-wide booze tour immediately after the keelhauling.
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Don't mind me, I'm just going to go crawl into a hole and die from the shame if it all. :cry::V

As for the booze tour, I asked myself what I'd do in a cosmopolitan city with a lot of cultures. The answer is booze tour. And it sounded like something Freddy would do. :lol:
 
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adamashield said:
One funny thought. Give the coffee and Rubber tree's seeds for the wood elves. Maybe seeing that tree would amuse the elder treeman...
...Probably not. but the elves probably can make some really good coffee and good quality rubber to sell to the humans later.
edit: one piece treeman, the treeman made of wood and rubber :p
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Huh, I never thought about it, but would there be Jungle Dryads and such? I'm guessing that the Lizardmen probably cleared most of them out of Lustria if there are, but are there like Tropical Treemen chilling out in the Southlands? You'd think that the Wood Elves would've gone and checked at some point, even if it was just out of curiosity. I know there's the Heart of the Jungle faction in Total War: Warhammer, along with the Sacred Pools of Isha that are for some reason located right next to Itza, but the Treemen there are shown to just be normal Treemen, although I suppose that's more to save the effort of having to make a Tropical Treeman/Dryad unit.
 
torroar said:
Frankly, I was astonished no one voted for, like, just take a nap instead of going on a city-wide booze tour immediately after the keelhauling.
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spudman said:
Don't mind me, I'm just going to go crawl into a hole and die from the shame if it all.
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I think most of us were assuming that it was a vote between "Do nothing and leave immediately" and "At least do something while in Marienburg!" So we voted for "At least do something. In fact, do all the things!"

Let's stay for a few more days in Marienburg, eh? We spent the first day walking around -- after being keelhauled, then healed and drunk a lot -- so let's see what Marienburg is like when we're fully rested. :)
 
WhiteNights said:
So it seems that there are, in-quests at least, some non chaos worshipping Norscans, but the ones in Marienberg are not aware of them yet.
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It's quite possible that the ones in Marienburg have heard of the Uxmaegr. She did mention an oath of silence.

The first generation of Uxmaegr were converted by Ulha'up's escort through the good old tactic of convert or die (said Second Spawning Slann also proselytized at them). Then they started converting more Norscans.

Edit: Also torroar pointed out that worshipping the Old Ones, isn't really all that different from worshipping Chaos. There are a lot of things you can just, shift around, and correct and still leave enough Norscan culture for it to not be immediately rejected.
 
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Garlak said:
I think most of us were assuming that it was a vote between "Do nothing and leave immediately" and "At least do something while in Marienburg!" So we voted for "At least do something. In fact, do all the things!"

Let's stay for a few more days in Marienburg, eh? We spent the first day walking around -- after being keelhauled, then healed and drunk a lot -- so let's see what Marienburg is like when we're fully rested. :)
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There's no point in staying in Marienburg for a few more days. Unless you got something, we are done here.

Maghda?

Evangeline Hertwig?

Luigis Town?

Skaven Hunting?

South Dock?

Most of Marienburg has nothing for us to get our hands on. There was that bridge thing, that's part of a guild management.

Blatantly looking for Leonardo da Miragliano's stuff is not something likely to be tried. Freddy just looked through the small areas for interesting things, and the main business districts for stuff. Freddy could go looking for dentistry techniques in the city, but that is more for something to do over any real substance.

The only districts Freddy hasn't gone into are...Luigis Town, The Dead Canal, Treasurehoem, North Wall, EastWall, Porter's Wall, Riik's Gate, GoldMound. Maybe South Dock?
 
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I mean, I can't speak for anyone else and I certainly hope no one's feelings were hurt IRL, but just personally I found the "you want to teach your grandmother to suck eggs? you sure you're okay?" response to "hey, we can teach you, the cult of manann, how to build ships and also we'd like you to bless one of your own temples please" to be hilarious. I mean, questers often do have a tendency to try to explicitly make obvious things happen without realizing they're doing it (I fully include myself in that by that way) - I took it as just being an amusing, in-universe reasonable lampshading of that.

Loved the update overall really. Ty to torroar for that.
 
torroar said:
"Well, there's the Greatship design as well."

"What about it. It works fine, doesn't it? Or have I been lied to in every single report involving them?"

"Well, we could share the design, perhaps?"

Maghda pauses and looks at you, blinking very slowly.

"We…will be taking possession of the ships. I assure you, the Albatrosses assigned to them will be more than enough to discern what is needed to build more as necessary," she says very slowly. "Perhaps you need more time to recover?"

Right. The ordained servants of the Lord of the Waves probably could manage that, even if it took your engineers and shipwrights a bit to create the designs in the first place.
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This interaction seems kinda odd to me. Admittingly I have no idea about shipbuilding and all that so you're welcome to correct me. But for me, it's like being given the choice of source code with documentation and comments vs. without it. Sure, if I am very skilled at the language I'll eventually be able to figure it out, replicate or modify what the program does. However, with extra documentation and comments, I would have a much easier time doing that than working backwards.

Other than that, great update, I love this quest and I am always excited to see new posts on it.
 
Does the thread want to have Freddy visit the temples of Sigmar and Ulric?

Pretty sure most of us do not care about them, but this is the empire.

And who would want to vote for this...
[] Visit the temple of Verena in the temple district again, looking to purchase any copies the temple has of Leonardo da Miragliano's writings.

Leonardo da Miragliano spent time inside the empire, if anywhere in the empire would have any surviving written remnants of his works it should be in the Great Library run by people who should have cared if Leonardo's knowledge was lost forever. Only asking because this is kinda sketchy political stuff. If the Verenans have some manuscripts of Leonardo da Miragliano and sat on it, them giving the manuscripts to Freddy is a political favor even if they sold them to him. If they don't have any writings by Leonardo, the main thing Freddy loses is time.
 
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Massgamer said:
The news about Kislev and Kat are also concerning in their own way, and every day makes me fear we have to look forward to a canon Kattrian the Bloody, vampire addition.
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That is worrying especially with the lover she took we probably need to send a message to Alexandra at some point though I think we will be limited on what we can ask her and what support we can give if Kat has turned.

Though the eleven guards reaction to freddy was really quite funny.

Also think we should see if we can get a trade going with Araby for coffee our engineers would love theres spiked with whiskey or vodka. Also see if we can speak to Nippon or Cathay traders to get more money flowing.
 
kelgar04 said:
Also think we should see if we can get a trade going with Araby for coffee our engineers would love theres spiked with whiskey or vodka. Also see if we can speak to Nippon or Cathay traders to get more money flowing.
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How would the thread set up a trade deal for coffee? Shouldn't that be a thing that takes a main turn to set-up? A trade deal happens right now to realign trade routes into Ostland by Ostland losing money for coffee, a product with limited demand inside the Empire, and limited supply inside Araby. That's too fast, right?

Nippon and Cathay have a war still going on, I think. Trade has halted in Cathay and Nippon with the Old World due to that war.
 
Marlin said:
I think we can't get rubber and coffee. Rubber has to be grown and processed in Ind. That locks out growing rubber trees for Ostland, which is too cold for the trees anyways, unless we got greenhouses. Coffee has an issue with limited supply, we might be able to get a trade deal going to buy coffee from Araby. That is probably something for the main turns, not the Marienburg interlude.
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We have people with literal magic that can grow plants, not to mention we have contacts with the Asrai(enuil?). Growing rubber trees for them shouldn't be that much of a problem.
 
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