Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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Just small color question. How did ostland go from blue and naked to black white and red?

You would think somehow the traditional colors would stick to the provincial heraldry.
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I do know that the canon provinces of the empire have official colors distinguishing each province among the empire military.

The lack of blue is easy. Blue is Middenland's colors.

Why Ostland has black and white as the chosen colors is something I don't know. The provinces, except Middenland, and the Moot, use a color combination among their armies.

The only other provinces to use black are Sylvania and Averland.

It looks like the creative teams got a bit weird about the colors. Ostermark has purple with white, or yellow. But then you get black, which is a difficult color to get. Yet, Ostland, the notorious poorest province has black on it's regiments. And Sylvania, which has a twisted and isolated eco-system, had black on it's regiments.

Averland is weird for having black on their regiment uniform. At least their rich, so it isn't too weird.

Mareinburg has cheap colors in blue, red and yellow. Red is just abundant to get a dye for. We know from the blue woad paint that blue isn't too rare in the empire, so it's a common color. Yellow is a bit special, but it is needed to get green, so that needs to be common in the empire.

White, red, blue, and yellow are likely the cheaper colors in the empire!

@torroar, where is Ostland collecting their black dye for soldier uniforms from? And where is Ostermark getting their purple dye from?
 
I think that something people need to grasp here is that the Warhammer world is really, really big. There's a lot of shit going on at basically all times and everyone has tons of stuff on their plate.

Why would it matter to Elector Counts not directly bordering dwarven Karaks that Freddy did a bunch of cool shit in Karak Ungor? What benefit is there for them to know about it beyond a vague "oh the Dwarves are all going to be mobilizing to kill shit for the next few years/decades, better keep that in mind with regards to beastmen threats/orc raids/whatever". What benefit is there to trying to explain the entirety of what's been going on with Laurelorn, internal Asrai politics, inter Asrai/Asur/Eonir politics to people who may have never had a significant interaction with an Elf in their entire life? Trying to explain the geopolitical position of Nordland ceding land to a historically prickly foreign power won't do much to change the opinion of Nordland being weak and unable to assert its territorial claims, nor will elaborating on how Freddy is an amazing Dwarf Friend be relevant to anyone not immediately associated with him.

Sometimes, not elaborating on something that we consider to be important and life changing is because to many of the Elector Counts of the Empire, everything is business as usual and will continue to be business as usual despite whatever changes we have made, and thus there is no reason to bring it up in the Elector Meets.
 
Marlin said:
I do know that the canon provinces of the empire have official colors distinguishing each province among the empire military.

The lack of blue is easy. Blue is Middenland's colors.

Why Ostland has black and white as the chosen colors is something I don't know. The provinces, except Middenland, and the Moot, use a color combination among their armies.

The only other provinces to use black are Sylvania and Averland.

It looks like the creative teams got a bit weird about the colors. Ostermark has purple with white, or yellow. But then you get black, which is a difficult color to get. Yet, Ostland, the notorious poorest province has black on it's regiments. And Sylvania, which has a twisted and isolated eco-system, had black on it's regiments.

Averland is weird for having black on their regiment uniform. At least their rich, so it isn't too weird.

Mareinburg has cheap colors in blue, red and yellow. Red is just abundant to get a dye for. We know from the blue woad paint that blue isn't too rare in the empire, so it's a common color. Yellow is a bit special, but it is needed to get green, so that needs to be common in the empire.

White, red, blue, and yellow are likely the cheaper colors in the empire!

@torroar, where is Ostland collecting their black dye for soldier uniforms from? And where is Ostermark getting their purple dye from?
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Not sure about the purple but I had thought black was a cheep color? I had been under the impression that black paint could be made from a tar, charcoal, or some types of wood ash.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Or, it was not required for us to micromanage to that extent because it wasn't needed. The concept of communication is so obvious that Torroar would not just go "you didn't vote to bring it up at an event that happens once every seven years, it's up to luck and chance if the other provinces know."

In this case, it's necessary to have some faith in the basic government and common sense and the GM's skill and intelligence. Frederick is not so stubborn or foolish that he wouldn't have good reasons.
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So you've switched the goalposts from 'they don't need to know' to 'they're going to find out anyway'? I'm not going to bother engaging with you about this issue if this is how you act.
 
Truth be told I don't really see the point in telling all of the elector counts what happened in Laurelorn since Laurelorn really only touches Middenland, Nordland, Marienburg I think?, and concern Ostland since their leaders trust Freddy. It's something we should definitely tell Magnus but I doubt the Countess of Wissenland will really care considering it's across the Empire.
 
Shane_357 said:
So you've switched the goalposts from 'they don't need to know' to 'they're going to find out anyway'? I'm not going to bother engaging with you about this issue if this is how you act.
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Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't change anything, I said we don't need to tell them if Frederick isn't going to. As is, I'm inclined to actually think about what things indicate and mean as opposed to taking it at the barest level, "Frederick is stupid and doesn't do important stuff that costs little without us making him do it"
 
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Not sure about the purple but I had thought black was a cheep color? I had been under the impression that black paint could be made from a tar, charcoal, or some types of wood ash.
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Hmmm, I'm finding conflicting information. On the one hand, it looks to me that in RL ignorance was a major cut-off point that made black clothes, not cheap. On the other hand, through enough experimentation it's possible to get black clothes, eventually relatively cheaply.

I'd still like to know Ostland's source for black, is it a black sheep ranch?
 
We don't need to discuss this at the meet for the same reason nobody discusses the Bretonian embassy being set up. Or what to do about when the Myrmiddians just left the empire en mass. It was none of our business, just like this is none of their business, bringing something to an elector meet implies that all the other electors should have a say in how to handle the situation, not just the scale. What does Wissenland contribute to this discussion, or the moot, or marienburg? The people who need to know will be informed, if for no other reason than the Eonir will just tell them.
 
I recall that Naraiel very clearly said she was only interested in dealing directly with Nordland and Ostland for right now. We should respect that and until she says different I see no reason to involve other provinces or the Empire as a whole.

She may be interested in meeting with Magnus at some point, but that's her prerogative and will do so, or not, in her own time.

That said, if Magnus brings up the topic of Laurelorn and asks us to relay a message to the Eonir that would be fine.
 
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Well, we should still probably tell Magnus about the whole... thing going on with Asrai and Asur (and now Eonir). You know, so that if Naraiel shows up in 6 years, he'll be ready and prepared for it.

We don't need to drag Naraiel into Altdorf or Nuln or whatever. But Frederick and Stephan can probably mention the recent upheaval in Laurelorn politics. Specifically, the fact that they are about to have external politics.
 
No matter our choices in the upcoming Elector's Meet, we have to seriously bring Urgdug with us wherever we go. I'm sure that he will appreciate the gesture. Call me paranoid, but I would definitely want our Ogre-Brother to accompany us from now on. We can actually do it because we have already brought him with us in the past.

Also, exactly how many units can we bring for our retinue in the meetings? I can't seem to remember how many exactly...But we could bring our Griffon and a couple of Ogres right?
 
Maybe they get the dyes from flowers or something.

With all the weird shit like eating eye worm/butterflies, there got to be a lot more flowers with strong dyes.
 
LordOfPears12 said:
They meet, assess each other and after a tense moment of silence Magnus starts beatboxing and challenges the emperor on the throne who's the true beatbox monarch. That results in the diss of each other's empire. (size jokes may or may not have been thrown)
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Magnus would smoke the Dragon Emperor in a beatbox match, DE got experience but Magnus got more Variety thanks to fighting the everchosen, vampires and being friends with every order nation in the world. The different combos would overwhelm the DE.
 
Zrayz10 said:
So anyone else think we should roll up to the next Elector count meeting in our brand new vapor tank as a sort of humble-brag? I'm sure at least one other province would be interested in buying more from us once they see it. Hell Big Magnus might want to purchase one from us directly.
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Wouldn't be all that humble, basically be like driving our own pimpmobile in front of others knowing that no one else has been able to make their own in centuries and showing off how awesome smart Anna is. I'd be all for it personally. :p

Would be awesome advertisement for our school if nothing else and letting all provinces know we can build some for them in general, which would be great one time income boosts for each tank made.

On OOC note, if beastmen do decide to attack Elector's Meet then we have a tank on hand to use, big if there though.
 
I was going to save this for the turns, when it would be more relevant. Considering people are talking about things they want for the EM already. Before this turn has even ended. We have yet to leave Marienburg, peaceful and quiet Marienburg. A pleasant interlude.

Seed drills, will we keep selling them, or give them away for free from now on? We don't gain much by selling the seed drills, one time money infusion. If we give them away for free we may gain goodwill and strengthen empire unity.

edit: The other provinces do not have Freddy's law reform that took advantage of the money people made in Ostland from the seed drill.

The seed drill would not bring the other provinces as much wealth as it should because their laws are still tangled from the time of three emperors?
 
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@Marlin

The seed drills are only good in provinces with low population and poor soil.In provinces with a higher population and good soil it will only means a huge number of peasnts beign forced to look for work in other places,so no so good idea.
Also giving them for free will impact how other provinces see us,as a fool,bc one it is to be generous and other to give things for free for no reason.A province need money to run so if we give things away for free will either paint a target on freddy bach bc he is rich,so lets plunder him,or try to inflate the prices as much as we can bc he can afford.
People respect someone who can make a good deal for both parties no someone who give things for free or tries to rob his clients blind.
 
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