Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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torroar said:
Nope. You didn't hire them for that, and they were obsessively studying the thing that they were there to study. They had deadlines to meet, papers to write, peer-reviews to get to.
If you would like, I could make a diplomacy option to try and seek that sort of information out, i.e. contact scholars and wizards and such.
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That is fair, Sky Titan bronze is pretty awesome after all.

And I would like that, yes, if it isn't too much work to add and others agree as well. Even if we don't get anything extra out of the items themselves it would be neat to learn a bit about their history if possible since the only thing we know is that Zach collected them at some point.

Of course, I won't say no to gaining a little something from the investigation if you feel it fits. :D
 
Zrayz10 said:
I thought the map might have details that could be relevant to the quest like it's mentioning the 3 high elf locations in Bretonnia. I've never heard any reference to them before, I thought the High elves left and only the wood elves were there.
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The High Elves returned to the Old World in the early 2000s. They conduct all trade with the Empire through Marienburg, but there's nothing stopping them from establishing trade enclaves in Bretonnia.
 
Well there is a positive for the other nations, less beastmen in those areas means times for them to expand, develop and retake lands.
 
I wonder if those near Bonegrinders guarding the throneroom are super unique or if a few Skytitans escaped their old homeland into Cathay, the place the ogres were ranging away from during the War in the Sky, and there decendants live better off than those in the Old World.

I can't imagine inbred dumb brutes guarding the Dragon Emperor so I assume they are not as bad off.
 
Massgamer said:
I wonder if those near Bonegrinders guarding the throneroom are super unique or if a few Skytitans escaped their old homeland into Cathay, the place the ogres were ranging away from during the War in the Sky, and there decendants live better off than those in the Old World.

I can't imagine inbred dumb brutes guarding the Dragon Emperor so I assume they are not as bad off.
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More likely they were raised from a young age, given proper education, as well as magical and alchemical attention.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
More likely they were raised from a young age, given proper education, as well as magical and alchemical attention.
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Most likely since mentioned former Empress installed them as last act five centuries ago. Still, might be possible Cathay throne has some connection to local giants but who knows.

I could totally buy that those dragon blood elixirs and other potions could reverse negative effects from mentioned inbreeding. If the case could be possible for some giants to be raised back to skytitan state physically and mentally.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
They're not sitting on their asses, they're engaging in tiny skirmishes and battles and periods of non-violent patrols and work all the time.
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Doesn't change the fact that whenever we take them on a major campaign half of them die and while most of the survivors have earned quite a lot of glory, they've gotten little gold.
 
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I mean, it's not like 65/100 is bad or anything. Troop morale at the start of the quest was 20/100, for some perspective. 65 morale is pretty good, all things considered.
 
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iggyfan said:
Doesn't change the fact that whenever we take them on a major campaign half of them die and while most of the survivors have earned quite a lot of glory, they've gotten little gold.
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NCRTrooper said:
I mean, it's not like 65/100 is bad or anything. Troop morale at the start of the quest was 20/100, for some perspective. 65 morale is pretty good, all things considered.
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Also consider the fact that part of our province modifiers is that Ostlanders are naturally a grim and dory bunch so their moral doesn't easily rise past a certain level, and on the flip side their morale doesn't lower easily either since the shit they deal with in daily life means they used to bad stuff happening.

Also, I like to think we equip and pay our troops pretty well, certainly more than is standard for most provincial armies I believe. They are well trained, armored and armored, well paid to make sure most citizens and their families are comfortable, get treatment in the face of terrible injuries like with Jade Wizards healing lots of veterans earlier and of course the Shallyans, easy access to priests to talk to when on the march, and finally if they die they get placed in garden of Morr and families get good death gratuity as far as I am aware.

We can't do much more for them than that I think.
 
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torroar said:
Nope. You didn't hire them for that, and they were obsessively studying the thing that they were there to study. They had deadlines to meet, papers to write, peer-reviews to get to.
If you would like, I could make a diplomacy option to try and seek that sort of information out, i.e. contact scholars and wizards and such.
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Yes please that would be an interesting Diplomacy option.

torroar said:
I'll be real with you man. I have no idea what 'Dementia' writing style means. Like. At all.

As for the Fang thing, it does come with certain benefits, heh.
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Dementia writing is a style of (usually) horror writing that characterizes a sense agitation, psychosis, dissociation and disorientation. For examples look at some of the Dylan Dog stories (stuff like The Last Man on Earth and Maelstrom come to mind) or most of Kafka's work (I've not read or even heard of all that he had written that's still in circulation so I can't say all of his work) or since you live in the US you're probably more familiar with the anime stuff like Neon Genesis Evangelion (The original TV series and End of Evangelion), Serial Experiment Lain, Higurashi (the newest one since that poor series has been trying to do Dementia writing for most of it's run but only succeeded this year), Fooly Cooly (apparently all three series count), Puparia, Yami Shibai (each season has at least a little bit of Dementia writing in it), The Adolescence of Utena (just that one not the rest of Revolutionary Girl Utena), Mawaru Penguindrum and Boogiepop Phantom (the 2000 version).

You wrote most of the Black Thorns side-story in that style and the first segment of this newest Jade Interlude in it. It's a form of instinctual writing so some people just do it without thinking about it like say The 2nd try Evangelion fanfic and some people fail completely at it completely even when they are trying to write it like Higurashi or Umineko before Higurashi Gou: you can tell that the attempt at Dementia writing is being made and you can tell that it is failing.

Dementia writing is a versatile form of instinctual writing that can be used for many things (it doesn't have to be horror, but the other four parts are a must), but is seldom used by any writer for some reason (I genuinely don't know why it isn't used more often) and it's my favorite type of writing so that's why I know a proper name for it.

Edit 2: removed the first Edit and untageed the person I tagged on account of having the unnecessary meanness of the tag pointed out to me. Sorry about that.

Edit 3: the other tag has been removed as well. Sorry about that one too.
 
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Uh...I don't...really think it's necessary for you to tag someone in a random thread they probably don't care about just to say that they are failing at writing something in a style? It's sorta offputtingly mean, in a distant sort of way.

Like. Just...not really needed? At all?
 
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torroar said:
Uh...I don't...really think it's necessary for you to tag someone in a random thread they probably don't care about just to say that they are failing at writing something in a style? It's sorta offputtingly mean, in a distant sort of way.

Like. Just...not really needed? At all?
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:facepalm: Sigh. Yeah fair point. Sorry about that. Should I untag him now?
 
Massgamer said:
Also consider the fact that part of our province modifiers is that Ostlanders are naturally a grim and dory bunch so their moral doesn't easily rise past a certain level, and on the flip side their morale doesn't lower easily either since the shit they deal with in daily life means they used to bad stuff happening.

Also, I like to think we equip and pay our troops pretty well, certainly more than is standard for most provincial armies I believe. They are well trained, armored and armored, well paid to make sure most citizens and their families are comfortable, get treatment in the face of terrible injuries like with Jade Wizards healing lots of veterans earlier and of course the Shallyans, easy access to priests to talk to when on the march, and finally if they die they get placed in garden of Morr and families get good death gratuity as far as I am aware.

We can't do much more for them than that I think.
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Not unless we are willing to hand out life benefits and payment for their services rendered should they fall in battle or maimed for life.

That would severely balloon cost though.

As it is, morale is pretty good.
 
Yes? Please? Just...really unnecessary. You could have stopped with the first paragraph. There was no need to go after or involve others on the site by tagging them. Hell, I checked, and I literally can't even see what you're talking about with the interlude. It was just me turning the dial on purple prose at describing some lore stuff about the Celestial Empire and some interactions with the Emperor. Please untag both of them, in fact. If its an instinctual style, okay, but I don't see the characteristics you were talking about, and regardless of that calling someone out of the blue across the entire site to say 'you're failing at this thing you don't even necessarily know you're doing' is just...just don't do that. For all we know, it's likely perfectly fine writing that happens not to adhere to this style that I legitimately have never heard of before today, and that's it.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Yes, man.
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torroar said:
Yes? Please? Just...really unnecessary. You could have stopped with the first paragraph. There was no need to go after or involve others on the site by tagging them. Hell, I checked, and I literally can't even see what you're talking about with the interlude. It was just me turning the dial on purple prose at describing some lore stuff about the Empire and some interactions with the Emperor. Please untag both of them, in fact.
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Edits made and tag removed. Sorry about that everyone.

Also you didn't just turn the dial on purple prose in that first segment, your wrote it from Joahnna's POW while she was stuck in a pretty nasty funk for being in the Jade Palace again. She starts agitated that she is back in the Jade Palace again, psychotically dissociates while being in front of the Last Gates and suffers disorientation from meeting the Emperor again while being recruited.
 
flotter said:
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The timeline says that he (re-)opened

So this is impressively detailed, but do you have links? Where did you find this information about Dementia Writing, because when I put this into google I got nothing like what you wrote.
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It's an old piece of slang in the Anime community still used by some fan sites and the only word I could find in the English language that describes this writing style. I pulled up an updated list from one of those sites I still frequent. It's like the Nanomachines, son tag on Steam: useful as a definition for something you think should already have a definition, but for some reason doesn't.

I didn't even post the full list of anime here, just the popular stuff people would recognize.
 
Flashbacks and internal monologues aren't psychotic disassociations. They're a writing tool to introduce past history or convey observations or information.

And the tricky thing in writing is switching narration perspectives, not in... whatever this made up claims stuff was.
Dmol8 said:
Also you didn't just turn the dial on purple prose in that first segment, your wrote it from Joahnna's POW while she was stuck in a pretty nasty funk for being in the Jade Palace again. She starts agitated that she is back in the Jade Palace again, psychotically dissociates while being in front of the Last Gates and suffers disorientation from meeting the Emperor again while being recruited.
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Um. I think that's just called "switching between third person and first/second person POV in writing"? (I forget the exact definitions and meanings and usages of 1st/2nd/3rd person narration, and the various descriptions/methods/usages of internal monologuing, bah.) And "inserting flashbacks into a scene in order to introduce and cover past history that the reader may not be aware of"?

It starts off with an omniscient narrative overview (okay not literally omniscient, but, you know what I mean) that describes the history of the place. Then it switches to describing it from Johanna's perspective, and has Johanna brood over bad memories. She doesn't psychotically disassociate, she just reminisces over bad memories!

This sounds like another Kislev conspiracy theorist moment. (Rather than "It's literally just Kiev with two more letters" which everybody else who looks at it for two seconds, or two hours, assumes.)
 
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