Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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It's your own fault you spoiled us with so many giant updates
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I mean, yes, I know, I'm familiar with the Genoese crossbowmen who inspired Braganza's troops. At the same time, pavis crossbow and handgun units are used with very specific tactics and in very specific ways, and it wouldn't automatically improve Ostland's military performance to hand them out to its archer units if we're not also fighting in those specific ways.
The pavises are very useful, for instance, if you're trying to lay siege to a fortification, because portable cover plays a HUGE role in siege tactics. Or if you're engaged in a very, very static "gunline" fight against enemy archers who are very definitely not going to leave their position and will just keep exchanging fire from you (while you constantly duck behind cover).
They are not so useful if you need to be mobile and keep up with an army that has to engage in disciplined, rapid maneuvers during an open-field battle, or that is likely to be directly assaulted by enemy melee infantry. Because they're too heavy to maneuver at the same pace as normal marching infantry, and if you're under direct attack they're not as good a security as having an actual infantry line in front of your position.
Druchii, I thought.
Dark Elves, Beastmen, and Greenskins.
Fists fit Greenskin. Beastmen would be prongs, as if antlers or horns or the like. Spikes would be Dark Elves because they put spikes on everything from architecture or equipment.
Steel Spikes. Horn Prongs. Curled Fists.Or maybe Spiked Horns, Steel Prongs, and Curled Fists. Corresponding to Beastmen, Druchii, and Greenskins.
For all we know though, "horns and steel and curled" might not be referring to the three prongs/fists/spikes, but to the people that will face the prongs/fists/spikes? I'm not quite sure how.
As, the next line does talk about some steel needing to go, and some to stay. But "stone and stone will break"? What does that mean? Stone is usually used to metaphorically (or metaphysically) refer to Dwarfs, but... why say stone twice like that? Could it be referring to the Stone-souled status of Frederick at the same time it talks about Dwarfs?
... Or, maybe it refers to stone hearts? Kattarin the Bloody's stone heart. ... Eh, probably not, she usually isn't called that, even if you could use that to refer to her that way.
Then again, if this line were referring to the Blue Steel Concordant, the one between the Empire and Kislev... then, it means that "some steel" -- meaning some steel from the Empire, and some from Kislev -- must go and some stay, or else the Stone-souled Frederick and the Stone-hearted Kattarin will break. (Or maybe the "steel" refers to Frederick's family; thus meaning that some family members should stay, and some should go. Thus leading to wondering whether Alexandra von Hohenzollern should be staying or going, as she's in Kislev and so her staying or departure could be significant or important.)
... Prophecies, man. Who even knows.
Should we be expecting 3 vectors of Greenskins (whatsisname stuck in the South Pole; the Green Prophet of the Waaagh who abandoned him there; and the Black Orcs) and 3 vectors of Beastmen (attacking Ostland, attacking Empire, and attacking Athel Loren) and 3 vectors of Druchii (3 Black Arks, or perhaps 1 Black Ark, one weird thing like with the Avatar of Anath Raema trying to usurp Ariel, and maybe Malekith and/or Morathi trying something)?
For all we know, "stone and stone will break" means that otherwise if you fuck up a Black Ark of the Druchii will crash into and destroy a Dwarf army or Dwarf Hold, thus destroying two types of stones; the Black Ark, and the Dwarfs.
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Paraphrasing a quote from a fantic somewhere - prophecies are like [bed partners]. If you're really good, you can twist and manipulate them into any kind of position that fits the situation at hand.
Granted, torroar probably has a Plan (torroar Always Has A Plan), but we can probably look back past Lovely Laurelorn and see as many ways of interpreting it as there are updates. ^^;
Granted, torroar probably has a Plan (torroar Always Has A Plan), but we can probably look back past Lovely Laurelorn and see as many ways of interpreting it as there are updates. ^^;
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I guess a few Beastmen that weren't mentioned yet are some from Fantasy North America. Though there was mention of Ursine = bear beastmen. And there are antlers so possibly Wendigo Beastmen, Bigfoot Beastmen and Mothman Beastmen.
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Fantasy North America is Naggaroth.
Yeah, I think doing the "Tracking Beast-Paths" options every turn would be a good idea.
Another thing I'd prefer to start doing, is this one:
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Not This Year: Pull your ships back, keep them close to the coastlines, but move the Army of Ostland to the coast, along with elements of the Army of the Range, to defend them. Let the Norscans know that they will not find you easy prey this year. The fishing ships now have their guns, and will be better able to defend themselves. Keep the Norscans out, damn it. Keep the troops amongst the isolated hamlets and villages, not just the bigger settlements like Salkalten. Let them lend their cannons, bows, and guns, to defend the coastline this year. It is not the same as an actual deployment, but this is their homeland, let them defend it. Cost: 500. Time: 1 Year. Reward: Bonus To Sea of Claws Rolls For This Year, Slight Lowering Of Roll Requirements For Success.
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Really, this is a good option, and we haven't taken it once in all our time so far, I don't think.
Guys. This increases our chances to win at sea each year, and reduces the DC we have to hit to win. Let's start doing this.
We normally spend all our focus and attention on "Build up, build up, build up" for our towns and ships, but...
If we're worrying about what is going to be happening in the sea, then... Shouldn't we start taking more active actions, too? Not just investigating what is going on with Albion and trying to figure out what the Dark Elves are up to. But also, just...
... Basically what I'm saying is:
From now on, let's take the "Tracking the Beast-Paths" and "Not This Year" options each turn, from now on.
We've been building up our armies and cities and boats and all. We've been using them somewhat, too. But now? Let's start using them more.
If we're expecting a major threat to come from the waters and the forests, then let's start making it harder for the enemy, no?
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we haven't really needed to do any "Not This Year" actions and as it stands we still don't as raiding pressure is at the lowest it been in while , if your worried about the coast then the best we can right now is build more war galleys as they are the best patrol ships for the coast being able to follow raider ships upstream should they manage to go up river something our wolf ships and great ships can't really do
as for tracking the beast path I agree we need to do it often until we know were each path comes and goes through the province but the action in of itself is a waste unless we act upon the information gained from it , as of last turn we know several war herds of the patient intelligent sort have made there way into the province for example that information is not worth much unless we act on it and hunt down those war herds before finish what ever their planning
This is why I think we should have been doing them more often:
This used to be like 50+ long long ago. It steadily crawled up to 65+ or so (was it 70 at some point?) before it dropped a bit recently.
Point being though...
It's not about the Raiding Pressure chart.
It's about that "you need to roll a 60/65/whatever+ to win" chart.
I look at that and think: "We need more than 50% chance to win? That's not good, we should weigh our chances more in our favor!"
Like... Yeah, maybe there isn't a huge amount of raider pressure, which means damage from raiding isn't huge if we lose the roll-off.
But I'd rather improve our chances, and start winning the roll-offs more often.
Because winning more often, might lessen raiding pressure and might lower the "need to roll 60+ to win" thing.
Which, all together, means it makes the sea and coasts safer.
So that's why I want to do it.
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We took it once (Turn 26 Results), and the result was kind of hilarious. The Navy failed, players were unhappy, so in response they took the panic response, which is of course to take "Not This year" + mercs. Everything went well for the naval report of Turn 26 Rumor Mill in spite of taking "Not This Year". The action would have been better spent elsewhere on military stuff instead of taking the buff for navy, but hey we bought mercs!
Actions available in Turn 26: "Birds,Birds,Birds", "Refilling Tiny Cracks", "Militia Changes", "A Skaven Survey", "Not This Year", "Purchase Additional Mercenaries"
Actions taken in Turn 26: "Not This Year", "Purchase Additional Mercenaries"
Actions Taken in Turn 27: "Birds,Birds,Birds", "Refilling Tiny Cracks", "A Skaven Survey"
Turn 25 Naval Rumor (What had the players press panic, it was also the turn Anna came back from the South)
Turn 26 Naval Rumor
From Turn 35 Rumor Mill (Holders of The Shore)
When we fail the Sea of Claws, the loss of ships is not too bad. We nearly have maximum ship capacity, and if we absolutely must, can produce 20 ships of one type at once.
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Sea Of Claws Situation Remains Unchanged For This Year due to High Elf Scouring in preparation/arrival/guarding/departure of Everqueen, other elven assets.
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That is kind of funny. A nat 100 on Elven Matters ended up saving the day, apparently.
A bit tricky to find what the odds of success on these things were, but... One of the oldest I've just found -- which is on page 862 so it's pretty old -- had Ostland needing 75+, but Overall Order Success only needing a 50+.
... Huh, it's funny, but...
Kislev's gone from Average+ to High+ strength. But the "Overall Order Chance of Success" has actually gotten worse, going from needing a 50+ to like 70+.
And just before this turn, it was 70+/70+ for Ostland and Overall Order.
... Whereas Ostland has stayed stuck at "Low+" Naval Power since that entry I say in 2015 up until now. And yet somehow, our chances of success have gotten better, from needing a 75+ at first. (Right now, it's just recently become a 60+. But last turn, IIRC it was 70+.)
The big difference is that there used to be high Norscan Raider Pressure.
Right now, there is high Druchii Raider Pressure.
Different foe.
It's harder for the Overall Forces of Order to fight and win against the Druchii on the seas, I'm guessing, hence the number going from "needs 50+" to "needs 70+" over time?
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That is kind of funny.
A nat 100 on Elven Matters ended up saving the day, apparently.A bit tricky to find what the odds of success on these things were, but... One of the oldest I've just found -- which is on page 862 so it's pretty old -- had Ostland needing 75+, but Overall Order Success only needing a 50+.
... Huh, it's funny, but...
Kislev's gone from Average+ to High+ strength. But the "Overall Order Chance of Success" has actually gotten worse, going from needing a 50+ to like 70+.
And just before this turn, it was 70+/70+ for Ostland and Overall Order.
... Whereas Ostland has stayed stuck at "Low+" Naval Power since that entry I say in 2015 up until now. And yet somehow, our chances of success have gotten better, from needing a 75+ at first. (Right now, it's just recently become a 60+. But last turn, IIRC it was 70+.)
The big difference is that there used to be high Norscan Raider Pressure.
Right now, there is high Druchii Raider Pressure.
Different foe.
It's harder for the Overall Forces of Order to fight and win against the Druchii on the seas, I'm guessing, hence the number going from "needs 50+" to "needs 70+" over time?
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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- United States
Druchii are still Elves, and the Elves have ruled the waves since long before the nations of man in the old world established themselves. So it makes enough sense.
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Well maybe it is time for us to try building an ironclad with a vapour engine to strengthen our navySea Of Claws Situation Remains Unchanged For This Year due to High Elf Scouring in preparation/arrival/guarding/departure of Everqueen, other elven assets.
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That is kind of funny.
A bit tricky to find what the odds of success on these things were, but... One of the oldest I've just found -- which is on page 862 so it's pretty old -- had Ostland needing 75+, but Overall Order Success only needing a 50+.
... Huh, it's funny, but...
Kislev's gone from Average+ to High+ strength. But the "Overall Order Chance of Success" has actually gotten worse, going from needing a 50+ to like 70+.
And just before this turn, it was 70+/70+ for Ostland and Overall Order.
... Whereas Ostland has stayed stuck at "Low+" Naval Power since that entry I say in 2015 up until now. And yet somehow, our chances of success have gotten better, from needing a 75+ at first. (Right now, it's just recently become a 60+. But last turn, IIRC it was 70+.)
The big difference is that there used to be high Norscan Raider Pressure.
Right now, there is high Druchii Raider Pressure.
Different foe.
It's harder for the Overall Forces of Order to fight and win against the Druchii on the seas, I'm guessing, hence the number going from "needs 50+" to "needs 70+" over time?
I mean, I'd take it, though I don't think we have the steel foundrys we'd need to produce Ironclads in appreciable numbers, but personally I'd prefer depth charges against the Druchii. They usually don't commit their Black Arks, so the biggest trump card they always employ is their trained sea monsters. Cannons work well against the ones they keep on the surface, but Depth Charges are where it is at for the ones that do not carry Druchii raiders and dive freely to attack Order ships from below.
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We'd have to lean on the militia, the army of the forest, the army of the range, the knightly orders and whatever mercenaries remain back home.
Unless we only send mercenaries to maintain plausible deniability.
Both have a large number of children.
Both killed unwanted offspring.
1. Braganza's Besiegers have no movement penalty in tabletop. Because Warhammer is one of those settings where the physics are just slightly off-center.
2. The pavises' armour bonus applies to melee combat in tabletop(whereas the same army book has a type of shield that only applies to melee).
3. While an opposing melee combatant might try to reach around a pavise, the fact remains that the pavise forces an opponent to go around it.
4. Ostland's terrain doesn't quite do open field battles. Just an awful lot of choke points to cover between the trees, the roads and the walls.
5. While actual melee infantry is a better blocker than pavises, the presence of pavises is better than the absence of pavises.
60+/60+ means we have a 64% chance to win.
Or to be more accurate: a 36% chance of failure.
We need to fail both rolls.
That said, we could go over our ship capacity and just pay the fee.
Build up at the cost of economy.
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Depth charges could indeed work them but I didn't mean ironclads like the dwarves make them. I meant ironclad as in a wooden Hull fortified with metal plates on the outside. It might indeed be a bit straining on our foundries but it would be a good starting point for eventual upgrades and it would be a sign of strength that no other human navy has. Merchants are more likely to visit our ports due to more safety and Mariënburg would think twice to mess around too much as long as they don't have a reliable way to gauge our ironclads' strength
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Once we reach capacity, or over capacity. The players are told not to take any more ship building actions (Check out Turn 32). Once our capacity problem is fixed, we can reach the 120 capacity without paying the fee for going over capacity. Take a greatship + galley focus to reach 110 ships in turn 38. Then another galley focus to reach 120 when we can build more ships, if not in turn 39.
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we don't need more great ships we need more galleys , as it stands we have ten wolf ships for every great ship with the wolf ships acting as escorts screening for the great ships its potent naval strike force able to intercept and deal with anything that isn't a dedicated fleet or at least that is what it should be but due to the lack of galleys means they keep being put on coastal patrol duties where they under preform , this is why we need more galleys which are ideal for patrolling the coast since they excel in shallow water and can follow raiders that slip past them up rivers and streams as well as into shallow waters something wolf ships and great ships are to big to do .
so in summary we need greater galley focus not more great ships we have enough of those as is
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The ship capacity is currently reduced to 105. Our imperial Stipend cannot cover the full cost of Greater Galley Focus. Better for our Imperial Stipend if we stretch out increasing the Galleys over two turns instead of a rush job. I refuse to accept a plan that has us go that heavily over ship capacity + buy mercenaries. Our net income is important to me.
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Yeah Gacha Goat is scary.
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- Africa
I agree our army is massive enough as is(nearly 50,000 men under arms) and we have over 12,000 mercenaries under contract we don't need more
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- The Future
I know its highly unlikely, but it would be funny is this massive warherd also got into conflict going on down south with greenskins, skaven, and now daemons. Turn it into a real who's who of evil faction kicking the shit out of each other. 
...That fits way too well.
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...god fucking damnit.