Doomed Wombat
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I don't believe so, but she was at least at or nearly our equal.
Its meant to. That's the point.
Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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Ooh, I need to look up the action of the Steam and Rat Tanks we've seen, get an idea of what we're paying for.
...including the time one got smashed by...a Bloodthirster I think?
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really ?I
I mean fred curb stomped orion with just the amper boost am talking having all of them the plus 5 life's the amber and other buffs
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Hrrm.
The Amethyst Twins...I wonder if they'll take to Arthur's variant of Morr worship? Or if they even worship Morr?
Admittedly I suspect they mostly will just do Wizard things and while they may be part of the dynasty I kind of expect them to blow their impact in short-term adventures with relatively little effect- more of the heroes who's personal sacrifice keeps the Empire rolling, versus doing something like the Northern Trident or cleansing Sylvania, which should have long-term positive effects...
But then again I'm also assuming they won't marry either which is based off when they were kids and asked for their dad's finger bones...
If we had actually said yes, I wonder what would have been the result of that?
The Amethyst Twins...I wonder if they'll take to Arthur's variant of Morr worship? Or if they even worship Morr?
Admittedly I suspect they mostly will just do Wizard things and while they may be part of the dynasty I kind of expect them to blow their impact in short-term adventures with relatively little effect- more of the heroes who's personal sacrifice keeps the Empire rolling, versus doing something like the Northern Trident or cleansing Sylvania, which should have long-term positive effects...
But then again I'm also assuming they won't marry either which is based off when they were kids and asked for their dad's finger bones...
If we had actually said yes, I wonder what would have been the result of that?
Doomed Wombat
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Wait you mean every single buff those winds of magic can put out?
I mean...yes still probably, blood of Aenarion is BS and I'll just assume the hypothetical of "we don't explode."
I will simply point out that Torroar said something to the effect that Freddy won vs Orion at if not his weakest definitely not his strongest and if he had been Orion would have treated Fred with those buffs like Fred would an ant. And I'm confident Tyrion could stand a swinging chance at Orion at full power.
He's not really normal, but Tyrion's probably the single best order staby stabber* in the setting cept maybe Gotrek after a few hundred years with the axe.
*I'm talking not a god etc.
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To expand on my previous note, here's an example.
At the next Electors Meet, the Staatholder uses Frederick's lack of communication on why he did it to portray him as getting violently paranoid in his old age, and perhaps needs to go sit down like Adolf Fuerbach. Except everyone knows why he did it, and it's actually not entirely unreasonable to be suspicious of Druchii doing things like that, especially with what's going on in Albion. This did not mean that people regained the opinion lost because of what happened to the Cultists of Manann, but it does result in Gunthar of all people telling the woman off, and that sometimes hard things must be done to keep even a hint of Druchii from infiltrating.
No opinion gain, no opinion loss, but different things still happen.
Because you're one of the people talking to me directly? I'm happy you love the quest. It's the 'GM needs to learn to take criticism/not put trap options/deal with salt better' stuff that pisses me off. Because I'm literally in the middle of talking to people about what happened, giving reasonings, and then I blink and you're saying that I'm not doing any of that. It's frustrating to write up posts in response to people and have it disregarded. I'm not referring to you calling me names or criticising my grammar or prose, I'm noting that it's something I've dealt with in the past. Because you were saying that I haven't dealt with such things before. And frankly, sometimes, yeah, I should not get annoyed or frustrated when the players get upset, if I did that when doing DnD every time, it would be a shit experience. I just happen to also not be one of the people who gleefully laughs when there is salt. Which would you prefer, someone who luxuriates in salt, is utterly dispassionate and does not engage with the players at all when something bad happens, or someone who tries to help explain things. Because I'm sort of the third.
Secondly, about the IC/OOC thing, is this:
Is completely true.
I can't...exposit every single aspect of WHF. I just can't. There's too much. Generally, a lot of the time, I bring up when people ask questions is to look up certain stuff on the wiki. I heartily invite you to do so! Look up the Witch Hunters, see how widespread the Cult of Manann is, see how cruel the smiling Cult of Ranald can be at times, it really doesn't take that long, especially if it's just the one page.
I apologize to all if I got heated tonight. It's just...it's witch hunters. They're on the front page. Any action taken with them in mind is...it's on the front page.
And again. You keep saying trap option. And I will say. Again. I'll scream it if I have to. The action was successful. The Holders of the Shore in Ostland are all dead, and none escaped. You. Quite literally. CANNOT say that 'nothing comes of it but negatives', when the big honking fat ol' main benefit success was the exact thing which was achieved.
I am sorry if my responses are coming on a little strong, but I happen to be a bit emotionally involved in the quest.
Thank you, coming from you that means a lot.
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ShyPerson
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The family are not likely to learn anything until we meet them again. Also they have a trait covering their international undead killing.
I suspect it would include masterwork dwarf architecture, contrasted with how empty much of its space is. It has likely spent blood for millennia to keep the Karaz Angkor alive.
I have no recollection of something like that ever happening in the quest.
(Still slowly catching up from page 3908...)
Maybe it's not a matter of concessions and shows of power or dominance or whatever.
Maybe it's also about comforting some terrified people, too?
It is also something that can calm down and reassure the average coastal/river worker in our own province.
Right now, they're terrified of us and the Witch Hunters.
Them seeing Freddy submit to or honor the God of the Sea, to them this won't just be some kind of political dickwaving like people think. It'll also be them seeing reassurance that Frederick isn't going to just upheaval their lives and do whatever he wants.
We're not doing this just for Maghda and some major Cult people. We're also doing this for the people in our province. Not because we think Maghda has power over them or whatever. But because we are doing this to reassure them. To reassure them that they're safe from Witch Hunters and Sigmarites in our province. That they're safe from us. That we won't take out our displeasure on them whenever something goes wrong in the future.
Let me point something out, or perhaps just... coalesce some things into a picture/perspective:
The Cult of Manann is more than just the idea of some religious institution that people envision has political ambitions and power plays.
The Cult of Manann... is also every normal person who goes to Manann church equivalent, who worships Manann and works for Manann, and who made their livelihood -- perhaps generations of their families have done so -- building ships and working the docks and reassuring people and helping people with regards to the coast and all.
The Cult of Manann, in short, also includes every normal person who works on the rivers and coasts!
It's not just the "Catholic Church and Vatican" that we are dealing with here, it's also every practicing Catholic too.
So consider this; what Maghda is looking for is not just something meant solely to politically firm up her position... It is also something to reassure all those coastal and river workers that everything's fine and they're not going to get killed by Sigmarite fanatics/zealots.
I think people are overlooking the fact that "Cult of Manann" isn't equivalent to "Totally The Vatican", it's a whole religion and all its worshippers.
These acts of piety and devotion aren't just going to be political face-saving/ass-covering for another political institution, it will also be Frederick showing all the river-and-coastal workers in his province that he won't descend on them with Witch Hunters, and that they can live without fear of their Count.
This action, is just as much for us, for the people of Ostland, as it is for national religious politics.
Because, keep in mind, Maghda isn't just some political operator (in fact, right now, we don't even fully know where she falls under the "sleazy politician" to "devout and righteous pious person" scale!) she's also got the Manannites in Ostland to think of and care about!
What if she's worried that Frederick will keep oppressing or taking his frustration out on the Ostland Manannites?
What if she is also, in fact, genuinely worried about the people of Manann and what Frederick might do to them?
What if she's worried Frederick is some Sigmarite... not quite zealot, but at least somebody willing to be extremely harsh on other, non-Sigmarite and non-Morrite, faiths?
The coming mini-turn(s) aren't going to just be about Marienburg and Maghda and the picture people have in their heads of the Cult of Manann.
It'll also be about the people of our own province, who're worried as hell about what Frederick did.
Let's just keep that in mind. =/
Or maybe it'll reassure the other Cults that Frederick won't flip out and murder half of them, if some local nutjob does something bad.
Maybe it's not a matter of concessions and shows of power or dominance or whatever.
Maybe it's also about comforting some terrified people, too?
I think we should keep in mind that showing devotion towards the God of the Sea isn't just some political and secular act, done only for the benefit of Marienburgers and church bigwigs.
It is also something that can calm down and reassure the average coastal/river worker in our own province.
Right now, they're terrified of us and the Witch Hunters.
Them seeing Freddy submit to or honor the God of the Sea, to them this won't just be some kind of political dickwaving like people think. It'll also be them seeing reassurance that Frederick isn't going to just upheaval their lives and do whatever he wants.
She might also be worried about what'll happen to the rest of the Manannites in our province, too.
"The Cult" also includes all the normal people in Ostland, who're now terrified of Freddy and/or the Witch Hunters. And thus by proxy, probably scared of Sigmarites or Sigmar zealots.
We're not doing this just for Maghda and some major Cult people. We're also doing this for the people in our province. Not because we think Maghda has power over them or whatever. But because we are doing this to reassure them. To reassure them that they're safe from Witch Hunters and Sigmarites in our province. That they're safe from us. That we won't take out our displeasure on them whenever something goes wrong in the future.
Let me point something out, or perhaps just... coalesce some things into a picture/perspective:
The Cult of Manann is more than just the idea of some religious institution that people envision has political ambitions and power plays.
The Cult of Manann... is also every normal person who goes to Manann church equivalent, who worships Manann and works for Manann, and who made their livelihood -- perhaps generations of their families have done so -- building ships and working the docks and reassuring people and helping people with regards to the coast and all.
The Cult of Manann, in short, also includes every normal person who works on the rivers and coasts!
It's not just the "Catholic Church and Vatican" that we are dealing with here, it's also every practicing Catholic too.
So consider this; what Maghda is looking for is not just something meant solely to politically firm up her position... It is also something to reassure all those coastal and river workers that everything's fine and they're not going to get killed by Sigmarite fanatics/zealots.
I think people are overlooking the fact that "Cult of Manann" isn't equivalent to "Totally The Vatican", it's a whole religion and all its worshippers.
These acts of piety and devotion aren't just going to be political face-saving/ass-covering for another political institution, it will also be Frederick showing all the river-and-coastal workers in his province that he won't descend on them with Witch Hunters, and that they can live without fear of their Count.
This action, is just as much for us, for the people of Ostland, as it is for national religious politics.
Because, keep in mind, Maghda isn't just some political operator (in fact, right now, we don't even fully know where she falls under the "sleazy politician" to "devout and righteous pious person" scale!) she's also got the Manannites in Ostland to think of and care about!
What if she's worried that Frederick will keep oppressing or taking his frustration out on the Ostland Manannites?
What if she is also, in fact, genuinely worried about the people of Manann and what Frederick might do to them?
What if she's worried Frederick is some Sigmarite... not quite zealot, but at least somebody willing to be extremely harsh on other, non-Sigmarite and non-Morrite, faiths?
The coming mini-turn(s) aren't going to just be about Marienburg and Maghda and the picture people have in their heads of the Cult of Manann.
It'll also be about the people of our own province, who're worried as hell about what Frederick did.
Let's just keep that in mind. =/
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I'm pretty sure a Steam Tank was destroyed in battle at some point in the quest, the "how" I'm not so sure of.
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@Garlak I think you're just exacerbating the situation.
Doomed Wombat
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And very iconic, for better or worse they're an integral part of the setting. The main annoyance is that we only see the Sigmar ones and never the frothing maniacs of the other cults at least not on a regular basis so its quite nice to get to see people like the Foamies.
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can the wood elves help us out with mealgor and his herd ?isn't he their number #1 public enemy ?
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"Malagor" and #2 after Morghur
And maybe. Laurelorn might, considering Naraiel spoke of cooperation.
I understand most of the lore because I have been reading WHF quests for years including yourss. I wasn't including buzzwords because they are buzzwords. In fact I didn't know they were buzzwords. I wasn't trying to make you angry or upset. Most if the time I wasn't talking to you. I am sorry even if you don't believe me. My stance so you can critise it is that I believe we should kowtow I don't like the fact that we have to kowtow. I don't like the fact that letting the witch hunters loose was a option if it was just going to end up like it did. That's it. I make no shield to defend myself from lack of knowledge. What said was I didn't know that Mannan was such a big deal and that the witch hunters were such rabid dogs. I knew that Mannan was a major God but not how major. I knew that the witch hunters were murderous to witches and chaos, but I didn't think they would Murder half of a cult when most couldn't have been even partly responsible for what happened.
Once again I am sorry even if you don't believe. I think why you don't believe me is because I am typing instead of talking to you. I also think that you don't believe I am sorry because I keep replying to you and everyone else. So I will stop replying to everyone else. I have been a fan for years I wasn't trying to come off as whining. I was trying to maybe show why these arguments keep popping up. I am sorry that you are upset mad or just irritated.
Depends They've really taken a beating lately, so they are not at their best, Ariel is likely to be still recovering from the incident, and that means Orion is not going to leave the forest. Laurelorn might send some scouts/sharpshooters to aid us IF we can get word to them, but since Malagor has been building his doomball and apparently planning this all out, it'd not surprise me if they cut us off from them without even factoring in the angry centigors here explicitly to kick our line's heads in. If it was Morghur brought to task before he could get to the forest you can bet that they'd show, Malagor though.... not near as certain. Especially with how badly mauled the wood elves have been of late.
iggyfan
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Don't remember a steam tank being destroyed in this quest but Frederick fought a rat tank in Karak Ungor and IIRC he managed to kill it, not entirely sure about that though. Magnus is credited with the destruction of two in his kill list.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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Wait he's moving in our direction?
I thought we were expecting just...all the Centigors?...
Well shit.
You know everytime this happens I'm reminded why I really want to burn the forest down...its a bad idea I know, but still I feel its not unreasonable to feel in that direction... in a petty way.
Well Wulfenburg's more defencible than ever, we have the Ambers, greenies, goldies and I think some redies? So...well it'll suck, but fuck it at least we've got some...
OHHHH BALLS!
He's going for the Fulcrim...
But that's the thing that's confusing people how could you miss it. Their entire thing is maximum collatoral damage, OOC their main reason for existence is to demonstrate how ****ed up and grim dark the empire is with how many people they kill in the course not finding the right person and usually end up making many more cultists then they actually catch...cause you know. Trauma from coming in and burning entire villages to the ground cause someone offered them a somewhat mishapen apricot.
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Chimeraguard
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IIRC, Magnus literally had to purge a lot of the Witch Hunters in one of the rumor mills much earlier in the quest because of how trigger and fire-happy they were. With that in mind... the amount of collateral damage they did should not be surprising.
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I kinda want to see everyone react to our insane steam tanks and cyclers and birdman now. "Oh those damn ostlanders" *shakes fist*
The dwarves just drinking bugmans like "....crazy manlings"
The wood elves " what in the gods name is that monstrosity "
Also, when is electors meet again? Next turn?
The dwarves just drinking bugmans like "....crazy manlings"
The wood elves " what in the gods name is that monstrosity "
Also, when is electors meet again? Next turn?
He's not explicitly heading our way, and frankly I'd still have money on him and a massive doomball that makes the centigors look tame poor out of the Drakwald like aa wave to hit civilization. He is the overall leader though so people are talking about him.
How i expect it to go is one of two ways
One centigors hit first try to bait out everyone else's forces to move against them getting them out of line while hopefully killing us.
Two, they hit at the same time so the trident gets tied up fighting centigors while everyone else fights Malagor.
Doomed Wombat
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Yeah, they tried blowing up the colleges he had them arrested and then smote them all with Ghal Maraz to make a point.
And then there's Jung whose frankly more indicative of the standard high ranking Sigmarite than is comfortable.
Oh and eh the brain washing...yeahhhhh...cult of sigmar and pretty much all the god cults in this world filled with some ****ed up people and things. They're all pretty awful in their own unique way gonna be honest.
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you know at this point i it feels like freddy is like the rocky Balbo evil legend killer of the world .
pucflek
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The one thing i am sad about is losing the rep with our people. I don't think that will be easy to get back up. Maybe if the laws eventually pay back, as in, the peasants actually only get taxed once, it will start trickling back. Still sad. I mean, its about what should have been expected, barring a critical success, but still. Mucho sad.
Freddy is gonna have to learn politics and eat a lot of humblepie to make it up to Magnus though. Not so much for the trouble but to help fix the mess we made. How do we even begin to mend the rifts in the Conclave.
Freddy is gonna have to learn politics and eat a lot of humblepie to make it up to Magnus though. Not so much for the trouble but to help fix the mess we made. How do we even begin to mend the rifts in the Conclave.
There are some pretty strong cases to be made about Gods being only splinter manifestations of aspects of the Four.
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Doomed Wombat
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Personally Malagor's a spell caster? In fact I think he's like for Tzeench what Slugtongue was for Nurgle...so I'mma bet he's gonna be gunnin straight for the Fulcrim, and everything else is either going to be distraction/beastmen barricades and cannon fodder to throw at the elves until he can slam down a big ol chunk of warp stone and corrupt the **** out of it.
Nah. Lots of bigger legend killers out there, but Freddies accounted for an impressive tally. However as he said with Elydra, basically none of em are solo...so lets not go the whole protag pride thing.
The thing is, is that generally, no one else goes to the extent that the Witch Hunters do. The other cults, who have their own religious inquisitors, usually focus on internal policing. The Order of the Silver Hammer is unique in that their purview is vastly larger than those others. They go all over the Empire, they recruit from all the provinces, they hunt and kill and interrogate. They trust no one save the Grand Theogonist, Sigmar, and sometimes Solkan. They hunt down the Chaos cults more than anyone else, because everyone else is usually focused on self-policing.
Does that makes sense? You'll more often see Foamborne bonking Holders of the Shore over the head, Knights of the White Wolf running down adherents of the Winter Throne after they burned a granary down, and so on and so forth. You won't see Foamborne going after
Witch Hunters will kill anyone, anytime, anywhere, regardless of affiliation because that's...sort of who they are, as an organization, because GrimDark and Warhammer. Because those people might be serving Chaos, either consciously or unconsciously, and either is a sin worth killing over, even if on suspicion alone.
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And to weigh in on the Tyrion thing...I don't much go for VS, but Tyrion'd win.
That presupposses he's actually coming HERE, instead of coming from the Drakwald and attacking Middenland to try and snuff out the flame of Ulric or to utterly table Reikland and destroy it. It's possible he's going to help lead the Centigor charge, but it's more likely he's using the centigor crusade as a bluff/feint or to cut us off from reinforcing the southern provinces.