Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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torroar said:
For now, the merchant princes have elected to invest in the construction capabilities of the dwarfs to construct new granaries across the land that are considerably more vermin-proof than the current ones. Even in Remas, ruled as it is by the elf Asarnil the Dragonlord, similar efforts are being made, though he instead elected to commission masons and architects from Ulthuan.
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So, to me this reads like them hiring experts in dealing with Skaven. I suspect its related to the skaven all of a sudden having food shortfalls.
 
Alright I'll say it.

I'm gonna preface by very clearly stating I want all that are part of the Empire to get along and work together for the betterment of mankind. No matter your province or (Order-approved) cult.

That said, I'll say it:

Team Sigmar all the way, golden hammer boy is best boy and the other Cults can either fall in line or get curbstomped. Make such a mess of the Grand Conclave that even Magnus can't calm 'em down. How dare they. How absolutely dare they.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
I am certain that there are benefits from loosing the Witch Hunters that we just don't see yet. Did all who bemoan the decision not recall how the entire mess of the last Elector Meet was caused by unseen stuff? Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it contributed to the overwhelming success at sea somehow.

Please stop being so sensitive.
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Pointing out the results of an action and potentially unseen consequences is not being sensitive. Nor is looking for possible intrigue and looking for ways to mitigate it, while mending damaged relations.

The benefit we got from unleashing the Witchhunters was that all the Holders of the Shore in Ostland were definitely purged and didn't get away. Some got away in other provinces. Perhaps some plots that otherwise might have happened were averted because of that but considering the Holders were already reviled and hunted throughout the Old World by that point with no place willing to shelter them I'm skeptical.

You can still argue the benefit of annihilating the Holders in Ostland is worth the costs of unleashing the Witchhunters. But I disagree. If we see a sign of some kind of benefit that was previously unseen, that's great. I'll take what I can get. But I'm not going to ignore religious tensions or rumors that could just be the tip of an intrigue iceberg while looking for a silver lining elsewhere.

jjffjhjf said:
Yeah seems that way, can only imagine big magnus is pissed at us. Going to take some time and effort to correct this religious/political snafu, but hopefully we can figure something out.
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That's the thing. It's already a big enough issue between the cults that the Conclave was dismissed because order couldn't be maintained. It seems outside of our ability to affect in a major way at this point. Unless maybe we publicly apologize and figuratively fall on the sword (by paying through the nose) or something. And that's a maybe.

If Magnus does want us to do something we should seriously consider doing so, though.
 
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Hmm, the Arcs high tailing it is unfortunate but not entirely an unexpected occurrence given how easily their agents infiltrate both human and elven cities and courts. Frankly they probably new we knew when we found them, prepped the holders for thier bomb to set it off early, and once they heard we blabbed to the elves they decided to leg it instead to not get ganked. At the very least this sets their efforts in the region back some. Still should probably keep arming the albionese so they can cause the Fimir hell though, juuuuuuuust in case.


On another note, those beastmen herds in Tababecland? Yeah no bueno, centigors en masse this close? We need to scout the beast paths outyesterday, doubly so given that it's a 50-50 chance the skaven heading west went there or to our area. The Centi's can only be here to persecute their blood grudge on us and ours after all, although I am fairly certain Malagor is aware of this and going to use them as a distraction to keep the trident out of play while he explodes of our the Drachenfels forest like a chaotic bomb.


I am worried taht between Mannan and Sigmar troubles, teh Holder of the Shores and now the Red Gold stuff, MArienburg is about to explode. Literally. Into treats. Sadly there is nothing we can do about it.

Also the Skaven seem to be taking a downright bludgeoning this turn. Losing festermarsh, Tileans cracking down super hard, thus starving them, when they need to food to rebuild, and now the fighting in the under roads by Karak Eight Peaks. This is good, but here's hoping the now cornered feeling rats focus on the greenskins and not on the dwarves or humans.


Overall this was a good turn for us and the Empire, the dwarves and Elves. If we can successfully make a peace offering to the Mannanites, and tamp down our local beast paths, we're going to be about as set as we can reasonably be until something bad happens, like Malagor saying "go," a vampire plot kicking off against us, Marienburg exploding, or something else like it.
 
spudman said:
The greater concern is that the tensions between the cults of Sigmar and Manaan are high enough that not even Magnus the Pious was able to maintain order at the Grand Conclave. And we're seeing that have an effect on the relations among the other cults as they're more paranoid of the Sigmarites. That's a problem that is mostly out of our control and could become worse.

However, we shouldn't assume we're off the hook as far as the Cult of Manaan is concerned. There are rumors that Frederick encouraged the Witch Hunters. That implies nothing is stated outright or openly, but things are still being said. I wonder why it's just rumors. Perhaps the Cult of Manaan doesn't want to openly repudiate Frederick and make the Cult of Sigmar take an opposing stance of support in turn? Perhaps they're keeping their displeasure with Frederick personally largely quiet while they get their ducks in a row for some other form of reprisal that's more subtle, but no less damaging. Or Freddy could ultimately find himself as a scapegoat to ease tensions between the cults. Remember the tags, 'foes in the shadows' and 'intrigue happens'.

I'm not going to complain further about letting the Witch Hunters off the leash. The voters made the decision and it is what it is, though I do think there's a lesson of trusting others from this. I'm mentioning this so we can be mindful of the possible consequences and be ready for them as best we can. The obvious issue is tensions between Sigmarites and the other cults, Manaan in particular. To ease that as much as we can (mainly Ostland) we'll have to make sure the Witch Hunters aren't unleashed on the other cults unless absolutely necessary and make a show of being more even-handed.

Also, we should not assume the Cult of Manaan has forgiven or forgotten and there could be intrigue against Frederick and Ostland going on that could be sprung at an inopportune time, such as the next Elector's Meet.

Donations to the Cult of Manaan on their own probably won't be enough to soothe those bad feelings. Giving more deference to the cult of Manaan on certain matters like sea/river trade or security might help. A public apology along with such concessions could go a long way.
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...I was talking about the GOD, not the Cult. Not the same thing, as @torroar pointed out.
The Cult is undoubtedly still pissed off.
 
BelligerentGnu said:
So, that star-dragon thing seems like a big deal. Is it a big deal?
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It's a dragon-sized deal.

spudman said:
The voters made the decision and it is what it is, though I do think there's a lesson of trusting others from this.
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I think it's not so much an issue of trust as of:

When you delegate something, or call in allies, in order to solve a problem, consider the following:

1) How those allies are likely to address the problem.
2) Who is likely to be harmed by the allies' actions and how they may react.
3) What larger factional loyalties and obligations those allies, and those harmed, may have.
4) How those larger factions interact on the broader, global scale.
5) How conflicts between those larger factions may escalate in the aftermath.
6) How theoretically uninvolved factions may see their interests at stake in these conflicts, and become stakeholders.

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To take a totally unrelated example that has NOTHING TO DO WITH MANAAN...

If you hire some elven mercenaries to harass some annoying dwarves who are trespassing on the land you think is yours, shit's gonna get real. Next thing you know, your localized land dispute may well have escalated into a demented war to the knife and dwarves with grudges are all over the place and AAAAH.

And while it may be true, or not true, that you "had to" resolve the land dispute in an acceptable manner, when the smoke clears, shit will have gotten real.

Because the consequences of the action extend beyond "mercenaries harass trespassers, trespassers go away."

They include "so how self-righteous and stubborn are the trespassers" (Dwarves? Very.)
They include "so are the mercenaries likely to be restrained" (Elves? With dwarves? Nah...)
They include "so do the trespassers have friends?" (Dwarves? Probably.)
They include "so are the friends incentivized to get involved?" (Dwarves? An excuse to kill elgi? Duh!)
They include "so are there outside parties with an incentive to take this conflict and make it about them, even when the original incident did not strictly involve them" (Dwarves? With grudges? Hell yeah!)

In a situation like this, it very rapidly becomes irrelevant who was right or wrong. What matters is what happened, which of the relevant powerhouses are happy and/or pissed at each other, who's caught in the middle, and which things are specifically on fire.

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Moves in a complex political game should usually be made with this calculus in mind. Most grudges and disputes between factions nominally on the same side can be resolved. And resolved without the same kind of absolutist "war to the knife" mentality that one would apply when fighting an Everchosen or an ork WAAAGH or some other Big Dumb Destruction Assault by an unreasoning existential threat. When waging such wars to the knife, you do what you have to do right then and deal with the consequences later. At other times, the consequences and potential for escalation are an implicit part of the action.
 
AzraelvonGruber said:
Also if Eldira bound herself with the Star-dragon i will be a happy camper
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*Eldyra

And alas, no.

It would be most unbecoming for the squire to ride a star dragon whilst the knight rides a horse. It's a hell of a horse, don't get me wrong, very good bloodline. But still.

BelligerentGnu said:
So, that star-dragon thing seems like a big deal. Is it a big deal?
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The significant majority of star dragons are slumbering and seem impossible to rouse. Then a few more moon dragons are awake than that, then more sun dragons than that.

Star -> Moon -> Sun
Least Awake -> Somewhat Awake -> More awake.

By which I mean that, while most of the dragons in general are slumbering and seem unable to rise, the majority of the awake ones are sun dragons, then there are moon dragons, and least but most powerful that are awake are the star dragons.

Star dragons are very old, and very powerful. An active one is quite a significant deal.

To quote from the wiki on how the Elves of Ulthuan regard the dragons:

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Few young Dragons are hatched now on Ulthuan. The youngest Dragons are referred to by the Elves as Sun Dragons, in reference to their hot tempers and the rich, warm hue of their scales. Those Dragons that surpass the Sun Dragons in might and enlightenment are known as Moon Dragons. The oldest and most powerful of Ulthuan's Dragons are referred to as Star Dragons, for they are truly as ancient as the very stars of the firmament. While any Dragon can savage an entire regiment of warriors, tear a Manticore apart or rip the head off a Wyvern, a Star Dragon is so physically powerful that it can battle against even the Greater Daemons of Chaos and prevail.
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torroar said:
Accounting For The Arcane: It has been over thirty years now since the formation of the Colleges of Magic. Fearsome and terrifying in the extreme, as all magic is! Whether one is Ulrican or Sigmarite, there is a natural fear of magic – for the dark forces of the arcane have been a bane to the Empire since time immemorial. Someone tainted by magic is a pox for all and sundry nearby, for they are conduits of terror no matter what they say, with curdling of milk and despoiling of foodstuffs being the least of the side-effects of their presence. But at the same time, they were direly needed during the Great War Against Chaos. It was the wisdom and faith of the Emperor that magic could be harnessed for the betterment of the Empire. Yet what do we, the common people truly know of them? Of the Bright, and their blazing powers which burn beastmen and greenskins as well as humans, fiery in temperament as their own magic, we know. The recent Vampire War has brought the Amethyst College into a position of stark relief, as they ruthlessly work to stamp out all undead and necromancers within our borders – as well as the Light College due to their own purifying works in Sylvania. The Gold College appear to be great scholars of the natural world, but tales exist of one of their kind simply melting the armor off a group of bandits who sought to assault a caravan in the Reikland. The nearly feral members of the Amber College – practically throwback shamans to the days of the tribes are mysterious, but rumors abound of them suddenly appearing to rescue doomed travelers or patrols in danger of being overwhelmed by the myriad threats of the forest. But so too are there tales of wizards, wracked by their own powers, unleashing bursts of deadly magicks and boiling the blood of those around them when they slip for but a second! And those who eat too much of Jade magic-tainted grains go mad, mutate, and worse! Wizards whose own innards are replaced by lava, or purple dust, or otherwise! And what about the Celestial College! It is whispered that the nobility of the south make use of their supposed future-telling services regularly, but there are few signs of it! Why, I heard from a mate of mine that Gräfin Sieglinde von Bildhofen went to them in Altdorf at the last Elector's Meet, and came out practically laughing mad afterwards – but that Count Rommel went in and came out all white-faced and grim! What's up with that? And do they offer their future-telling services to the common folk! No, of course not. Hah, if anything, that makes them more human than ever, cause there ain't nothing more human than being greedy bastards! And one only needs hear the tales of Ubersreik once to remember to be afraid!"
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I love how this starts as another unbiased, almost professional sounding report on the gossip going on around the Empire, but by the end it's just some guy complaining that he can't talk to the magic fortunetellers.

torroar said:
a wife who proudly announced another pregnancy as the year comes to a close.
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Ahhh, little Kragglings.

torroar said:
Rather distressingly, Karak Eight Peaks is being referred to as the 'Blood Bowl' by the greenskins now, much like how they renamed Karak Ungor and Karak Drazh as Red Eye Mountain and Black Crag respectively. A rare and unhappy category of unwelcome prestige.
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...well, who else can't wait for the enivitable Blood Bowl championship tournament?

torroar said:
A Wondrous Act, Praise Isha
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Go Eldrya! This is such a small scale thing that had so much potential to have things go wrong, but they didn't, and something good has come about because of it.
 
Any chance of Frederick, Urgdug, or Magnus (Hohenzollern, not the Pious) getting involved in that Brettonian tourney? The melee sounds like a hoot.
 
Not much we can do on the Religious front. It is what it is. What we can do , and what we will do is continue to support the Cults and build up the province.

So, all the Everpeak dwarves are now in full plate? Full stop? Serious upgrade. And yeah Marienburg might get hit by an angry skeleton pirate. Seems pretty likely. The Centigors being able to rofl stomp the minotaurs into the ground is concerning. Especially with the knowledge that Frostlords and arctic beastmen are now on the continent proper. With the Omen in charge. That's gonna be a dust up.

Reading between the lines I think Tilea just founded there own version of the Witch Hunters, but exclusively for Skaven.
 
spudman said:
Any chance of Frederick, Urgdug, or Magnus (Hohenzollern, not the Pious) getting involved in that Brettonian tourney? The melee sounds like a hoot.
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All three are very busy with other stuff at the moment, so I doubt it.

Anyhow, Rumor Mill was quite good for the most part. We need to get to locating those beastpaths ASAP, however.
 
The last we heard of Roland was him getting continuously dunked on. The Lady seems to like hurting him. Gods am I right? I'll be glad to see Roland as a actual Grail Knight but his luck is the worst.
 
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Hmm. I wonder if the Huge Order Victory in the Sea of Claws had anything to do with the Ulthuan Navy deciding to go for a walkabout.

Sure, the Asur didn't manage to catch the Black Arc itself.

But maybe that meant that they chased down all the individual Druchii fleets and ships, out of frustration. Frankly that seems likely to have happened if only to vent some of their annoyance and disappointment at not being able to find the damn arc; after all, if you got everybody ready and sailed off, and then never found the bloody thing, you wouldn't want to just go back home would you?

So yeah. I think the High Elves might have helped clear out the Sea of Claws this year.
 
Garlak said:
Hmm. I wonder if the Huge Order Victory in the Sea of Claws had anything to do with the Ulthuan Navy deciding to go for a walkabout.

Sure, the Asur didn't manage to catch the Black Arc itself.

But maybe that meant that they chased down all the individual Druchii fleets and ships, out of frustration. Frankly that seems likely to have happened if only to vent some of their annoyance and disappointment at not being able to find the damn arc; after all, if you got everybody ready and sailed off, and then never found the bloody thing, you wouldn't want to just go back home would you?

So yeah. I think the High Elves might have helped clear out the Sea of Claws this year.
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That does make logical sense. I hope the Elves aren't too upset at being late. And I guess we'll just have to get lucky next time. For now the Sea of Claws is Black Ark free. Now that leaves the mystery of where they went.
 
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Wind-Up Citrus said:
That does make logical sense. I hope the Elves aren't too upset at being late.
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In the update it mentioned so now they have to find out why it was their
torroar said:
"Oh no," she waves her hands for a moment. "They found definite signs of the Black Arks being there, even as recent as a month before they got there, but the problem with Black Arks is that they are terribly mobile for something so large."
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I know Kragg likes to downplay himself but making an AoD from salvaged parts is still super impressive, I wonder what Ancestor god its attuned to or maybe several since made from various parts.

Making a AoD from pieces is the first true step towards making a new one wholesale after all!
 
Wonder if the beastmen that the centigors beat up in Talabecland were partly skaven fleeing from Ostermark. Seems like a good turn overall, hope Kragg can get around to getting that new artifact to Fredrick soonish now that he is back from the mountain. Worried about Marienburg blowing up, what with the skeletons and the lizard coming to get their property back, and also about this Red Gold guy doing something inadvisable and attacking either us or some other Order faction. Also things seems to be looking up in Kislev so that's nice, if we are lucky then the Bokha end up empty handed when searching the blight.
 
Thanatosra said:
In the update it mentioned so now they have to find out why it was their
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Ye I see that! The Black Arks could be anywhere. It's clear that if it was simply to supervise the raids that's not going to work, but at least the High Elves were there to prevent anything that could resemble something incredible like Colonizing Albion. Which to be honest sounds like something impossible yet also something I can see a particularly ambitious Dark Elf attempting. I guess for now the High Elves could see this as a positive since none of them have to die in the battle today.

I did feel bad for Frederick for a hot second there. It could have been a major blow to him and others if the High Elves were to think he was pranking them making them waste resources on a wild Goose chase. The poor dude acted like he just told High King Grudgebearer that there was an Undercity and then the Dwarf rangers finding nothing at all, not even a burrow.
 
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Image said:
The last we heard of Roland was him getting continuously dunked on. The Lady seems to like hurting him. Gods right am I right? I'll be glad to see Roland as a actual Grail Knight but his luck is the worst.
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I'm kinda under the impression that him meeting his son was a high roll, mainly because it's the only way he'd actually progress on the path of a grail knight, he had his family in his heart before this, and that's not acceptable to the lady. It's gotta be the lady first, quest for the grail second, everything else third. Though, what happens now is quite the question. Hopefully he rolls well and recovers from the set-back more dedicated than ever.
 
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