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Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
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pucflek
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It should still have shared credit tbh. But not sure if you want to be known as slayer of Coeddil when you, as the diplomatic face of the Ostland powercouple, might be dealing with wood elves at some future point thought.
Honestly, going anywhere near the woods at this point might be...
Well, we've personally upset every major power in the woods now. Ariel, Anath Raema, Durthu, Orion, they all have very personal reasons to be upset at us. And even the Wood elves that aren't angry at us see us as a good hunt/sacrifice/fight.
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I believe that being known as the slayer of Coeddil would do wonders for wood elves diplomacy as they would take Natasha and every thing she says very seriously as opposed to dismissing her as just another mayfly
Restalaan
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That certainly would be interesting to read (Also, I wonder how a rule 63 world of Dynasty Alcoholism would look like).
The only two I could come up with, having just woken up, are these two.
raorrot: No, guys, Magda the Pious is just a genuinely nice lady, she is not coming on to you. It's just being friendly. The Empress who killed the Everchosen is allowed to be friendly.
raorrot: Oh, sure, Urgda is a nice ogre lady, but given she just ripped off the wings of a Bloodthirster you can imagine the physical standards she'll demand from a husband. On the one hand, ogres trying hard to impress her with deeds and physical acts that are impressive. On the other hand...still that.
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NCRTrooper
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Will have to reread Lovely Laurelorn this week, but why would Ariel be upset with us, besides comparing her to the Phoenix Kings that abandoned the colonies?
As for Orion, that's completely dependent on what his next incarnation is like.
Araloth did bow to us out of respect, if that's anything to consider
We did Durthu a favor, really. It was only after Natasha froze Coeddil that Durthu realized he was beyond saving, and mercy killed him.
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pucflek
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Sentient beings, trees included, are not actually rational. And elves are prideful.
Because we were facilitating a meeting between a potential breakaway territory of hers and a major foreign power? Even today that sort of thing is explicitly forbidden by every nation I can think of. And for very good reasons too!
No, most sentient beings tend to hold a grudge against things that hurt their balls. We just did it to the God King of Wild Masculinity of a people known for being mercurial at best and outright Skavenish at worst. I literally cannot imagine a grudge won't be held.
A) He's politically powerful, but only through Ariel. Which brings us back to "Ariel has reason to dislike us and loyalty/gratitude to humans is a bad joke for most Wood Elves".
B) I have concerns about Araloth. Something about him seems...off.
"I trapped your 'son' in a prison of pure pain, then forced you to confront the fact that he was tainted so you had to kill him with your own hands. What does that get me, Avatar of the Forest's Rage?"
Hell, it was a very similar circumstance that tanked Frederick and Natasha's relationship. Or got Adolf so pissed at us. Remember the Dwarves at the Conclave of Zhufbar? Where it ended in a death duel between two former friends?
Don't expect rationality there.
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Talks that only happened because of Athel Loren's gross neglect of Laurelorn that had been going on for awhile. The fact that Laurelorn even contemplated those talks at all is Ariel's fault and no one else, which she'll probably realize now that the corruption in her soul is gone. Not to mention that Freddy is a pretty big reason why she wasn't assassinated by Drycha.
Torroar's tidbit on Orion straight up said that Orion's personality varies wildly depending on the prince sacrificed to bring him back, so his grudge bearing would be affected as well. We also stopped him from killing his waifu, so there's that.
Araloth is not only politically powerful through Ariel. Araloth is politically powerful because he's the Glade Lord of the realm that hosts the Oak of Ages itself. Him being Ariel's champion is a bonus, really, and the fact that he bowed to us certainly means something because of all that. What about him seems off to you? Genuinely curious about that.
I'm not expecting Durthu to like Frederick and Natasha for what we did to Coeddil, but I'm not expecting him to hate us for something that he ultimately considered necessary either.
In conclusion, I'm not expecting any of the above to like Frederick for what he did in the interlude. But hatred? I don't really expect that either.
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pucflek
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Brother is far more accurate, i don't agree about Araloth, and i would not compare Forest elves to skaven, but otherwise pretty accurate.
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At least, no more then he hates any other trespasser in his woods.
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A broken clock right twice a day, or for forest spirit analogy a broken branch can still sprout a flower once in a while.
Also Durthu's model, now the Spirits of Durthu model in AoS, is seriously awesome:
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Yeah, Araloth is somewhere between the 3rd to the 5th most powerful wood elf, depending on who is asking. One and two are of course Ariel and Orion, and 3 to 5 are some combination of Araloth, Daith and Naraiel. Araloth for leading the largest and most prosperous High Realm in Athel Loren as well as being the Queen's champion, Daith for being ancient and the guy who forged the First Phoenix King's armor. And Naraiel because her realm is the largest High Realm to an utterly farcical degree.
Laraulorn is somewhere between a quarter to 3/5ths the size of Athel Loren (warhammer maps are not paragons of consistency), and Athel Loren is split into 12 High Realms. Laraulorn is all under Naraiel's command. And while sure, you can have Laraulorn be less densely populated than Athel Loren, there's a limit to how much you can press that button before they become overstretched and bleed to death.
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That's assuming they actually control the whole forest, though, as opposed to only a portion.
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True. On the other hand, I can't imagine why they'd bother to get Stephan's permission to expand the forest if they didn't control most of it. That would just be asking for more beastmen. The fact that they can enforce their historical claims against the forces of three Imperial Provinces also lends weight to that argument.
The more telling thing in my mind though, it this
*They likely have a weakness in the age and strength of their forest spirit auxiliaries, but that doesn't matter much in this context.
Basically, its possible that Laurelorn is not substantially more powerful than the average high realm, but that requires a series of pessimistic assumptions not just one or two.
The more telling thing in my mind though, it this
Note how she refers to the issue. Not an embittered High Realm considering secession, but a potential war "between two forests," metaphorically placing Laurelorn on an even ground with the entirety of Athel Loren. Frankly, the fact that Laurelorn could even contemplate violent secession indicates to me that the must have more forces available than the average High Realm.*
*They likely have a weakness in the age and strength of their forest spirit auxiliaries, but that doesn't matter much in this context.
Basically, its possible that Laurelorn is not substantially more powerful than the average high realm, but that requires a series of pessimistic assumptions not just one or two.
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Laurelorn is to Athel Loren as Alaska is to the continental U.S. Lots of land, and their governor is technically equal to any other governor, but some governors for other states have a lot more influence and pull.
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Regular winter usually puts the Fey to sleep, it does not kill them. And Natasha did not kill Coeddil, she just restrained and contained(in self-defense) an escaped convict on a violent rampage and turned said convict over to his only peer after said convict had been revealed to have fallen to Chaos.
Being a Fleshlings/Human/Frostwitch probably means there is going to be some bias against Natasha, but her actions here could be taken in a fairly positive light.
Being a Fleshlings/Human/Frostwitch probably means there is going to be some bias against Natasha, but her actions here could be taken in a fairly positive light.
pucflek
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Johanna Fuerbach only turned to vampire. Ortruds brother was chaos corrupted. Surely there is no way his father would have blamed us for mercy-killing him.
Neither elves nor Durthu are any more rational actors then either of the people that blamed/almost blamed us for the above happenings.
We have no clue about what Ortrud's father thought, seeing how the man died before we really met him.
Ortrud doesn't seem to blame Freddy for mercy-killing her brother though.
So again, it could be spun pretty favourably. As Natasha did not overstep.
pucflek
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Ortrud literally mentions her father being salty about it. I am not gonna search the entire fucking story for the relevant quote, but it has happened. I think it was Electors meet of some kind, after Freddy tried to make overtures to Adolfs sons. She was cautioning him against the approach, saying even man as reasonable as her father nearly hated him so because of that execution. So what can he expect for having a hand in vampirizing someones daughter. Like, that literally happened. So we do know.
And i would label the fact that we spent lot of time with after in heated campaigns as mitigating influence and us showing to not be dicks. The Wood Elves and Durthu, who hates even the fucking Wood Elves just slightly less because he realises his war against enemies of the forest would be straight up unwinable if he started grudging them too, to be more rational than that. They could surprise me, but i am more inclined to lean negatively.
EDIT: If this is unreadable, ping me. In the spirit of thread, i am bit boozed. Will try to clean it up more but can't see any glaring errors rn.
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If Ortrud said her father nearly hated Freddy, it means he opted to not hate Freddy.
And again, what Natasha did to Coeddil was technically reversible. With Durthu opting for the execution after extensively checking if his brother could be redeemed.
Chaos is an enemy of the forest too.
Mopman43
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It wasn't that he opted against it, it's that he died before he could make anything of it.
In regards to the other part of the argument- I'm not going to worry about if the various Wood Elf/Tree notables are going to hold a grudge. I don't particularly expect it, but it does no good to go on about something we'll have no control over at this point. What's done is done, if they hate us for it, we'll deal with it then.
Fair enough.
Although, re-reading the quote, him being furious and planning to bring Freddy to account is note quite the same as saying that he nearly hated Freddy.
It meant he was royally angry, true. But it also meant that Freddy would have to, well... account for what he did and why he did it.
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To paraphrase a line by a demon in another setting, if the greatest human were to take action against the lowest of the spirits, it would be overstepping.