Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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torroar said:
Now this? This I find interesting...might incorporate bits of it. Yeah. Also, yeah, the vapor engine is not combustion. But it is a vapor engine to a RL vapor engines as WHFB steam engines is to a RL steam engine...by which I mean, capable of more cause WHFB science gets to be just slightly wonky.
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to add onto this, the mechanic would also let more advanced gear exist on the hero or elite unit level. since you can cap the production level of stuff to a finer degree. So super guns that can only be given to a handful of people no matter how much gold we throw at it could more easily be a thing.
 
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Question: how is Von Draken effectively clinically immortal, if she isn't undead or a vampire? Is extending one's lifespan something a Death Wizard can do with sufficient skill?
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Question: how is Von Draken effectively clinically immortal, if she isn't undead or a vampire? Is extending one's lifespan something a Death Wizard can do with sufficient skill?
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Wizards are often changed by the Winds they channel, one of the effects of channeling Shyish is an extended lifespan, no it doesn't make any sense to me either.
 
Anime_Fan35 said:
One of Johanna's titles is Dragonslayer so she may have killed a Dragon and drunken its blood. Which is one of the only ways for a Vampire to conquer its thirst permanently.
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No, that was before she became a vampire. There is a clear break for pre/post vamprification. Specifically, it is when she gained the 'Disowned Daughter etc. etc.' section to her title area on the front page.

So! As a result, these were the titles before she became a vampire: Sultan/Breaker of Chains/Dragonslayer/Dwarf Friend/主/The Five Minute Tyrant

These are the titles she gained after she was turned into a vampire. (Disowned Daughter/Heir of Elector Count of Talabecland Adolf Fuerbach) / Tiger Eater/ Firehead Paleskin /Jade Disciple, 4th Rank

As an explanation for the titles, see below.

Sultan: From a brief rebellion in a minor Arabyan city against a horribly cruel Sultan, and got pushed into the position for such. Ruled for about a week before giving the title to someone else native to the city.

Breaker of Chains: Got enslaved in Lustria by raiders and sold into a Norscan colony, led a slave rebellion and burned the town down. Fled on a ship right back to the Old World. Got onto a caravan headed to the Mountains of Mourn, headed by dwarfs, as a mercenary.

Dragonslayer: Pretty obvious, the caravan was headed through the Mountains of Mourn and she - along with a number of others - helped kill off a young dragon which had taken up residence in one of the lost holds they were scouting out. Happened to get the final blow on it. Saved the life of a dwarf thane as well, and continued on through the expedition which got her…

Dwarf Friend: As above.

主: Effectively means Lord. A position gained when Johanna…well. She went Mulan for a bit. Friendship with others and the like. Her torrid and tragic affair with General Gan Yun's son, Gan Ping. Something she refuses to talk about to this day with anyone. Then she headed back west with a Silk Road Caravan.

Five Minute Tyrant: Killed an ogre tyrant, and the ogres were confused enough to figure that if she killed him and ate a part of him (desperation move) she's...probably the tyrant now? It worked for about five minutes in which she was able to escape.

Disowned Daughter/Heir of Talabecland: Obvious.

Tiger Eater: Tore the throat of out of a Indi Tigerman more than once...with her teeth. Has actually eaten a Bengulin Tiger before, though.

Firehead Paleskin: A name granted to her by Indi Tigermen for impressing them as she traveled back east with Genevieve.

Jade Disciple, Nth Rank: Where she currently stands in the rankings of the Jade Dragon Monastery at any given time.

SaltyWaffles said:
Question: how is Von Draken effectively clinically immortal, if she isn't undead or a vampire? Is extending one's lifespan something a Death Wizard can do with sufficient skill?
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The current one in canon? I suspect it has something to do with her just becoming closer to the Wind of Shyish, and become less human in general. I also suspect it has something to do with that hourglass of hers, the one with the supposed dust of a dead god inside of it.

The current Magistrix Von Draken is not the Elspeth von Draken of 2522. As noted before, the Von Draken bloodline is just one of those powerful ones which consistently shoves out exemplaries...unfortunately sometimes this is for good and others for bad. Heroes and villains have come from it. Sort of like the Van Hals, I suppose.

LordOfPears12 said:
I'm re-reading the quest and I'm wondering what is the status of Johanna Fouerbach?

Does the count still loath her being a vampire?
Or is good ol count of tala accepted her, or is she wandering the world killing stuff?
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You can check the front page omake spoiler list, and search for the omakes involving the keyword Jade that are written by me. These are snapshots of her time in Cathay, where she currently is.

Adolf loaths the monster wearing his daughters skin, yes. He will until he dies. Johanna Fuerbach died in Ostland, and that's what he'll never stop believing.

Johanna has been in Cathay since about one year after the end of the Vampire War in 2315 IC, so she joined the Jade Dragons in 2316 IC. It is currently 2338 IC. Thus, she has spent the last 22 years in Cathay, doing monk and vampire things. Most lately, she's been embroiled in the war between Nippon and Cathay.
 
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torroar said:
Adolf loaths the monster wearing his daughters skin, yes. He will until he dies. Johnna Fuerbach died in Ostland, and that's what he'll never stop believing.
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Which is a complete shame for a number of reasons, but will admit most vampires bad and hard to fight against cultural belief about them. Magnus only accepted since Sigmar personally blessed Guin and Taal likely means more to old count.

Not sure how he would react to daughter being blessed by Taal in unlikely event it happened at all.
 
I mean, to be fair, Johanna did some gruesome shit in that first year when she was first learning how to be a vampire and how to control herself. It's just that it all took place on the enormous Silk Road, and they were often several miles away by the next day, not to mention being constantly on the move. I mean, she's not in immediate danger of going straight mindless beast anymore, but it's not all perfume and roses. That's just the plain facts of being a vampire. In terms of physicality, and, like, innards and such, she just ain't strictly human anymore. Adolf wasn't wrong about that specific part. The time differential alone is something that messes with one's mentality. She's been in Cathay for 22 years, long enough to watch a baby grow up into a soldier and then die in front of her, without her aging whatsoever. Then there is the unescapable bloodthirst, and the ecstasy of drinking it, which puts literally everything else consumable to shame. It is noted that even if you were to drink your complete fill...it wouldn't be enough. The thirst never departs, it is a pounding need constantly in the mind.

Here are two excerpts from Night's Dark Masters on the subject.

Bolded An Important Part said:
The Human flavour is unique to each person and even depends on their recent activities. A drunk's blood will be mildly alcoholic to a Vampire; disease can pollute both the taste and the effect; morning blood is lighter and sweeter than that taken at night. Drinking is always enjoyable, however, even for the most abstinent of Vampires, satisfying at once both their great physical urge and their terrible mental need to prey, devour, and dominate. Plus, even even when drawn from the lowest of Humans, it tastes good.
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Perspectives On Blood said:
"Let there ever be wine, and blood, and slaughter! Restraint is for mortals."
—Isabella von Carstein

"What is it, in this blood, that so dominates my body, mind, and soul? Does the Chaos taint upon the Human race make their blood flow with magic, like some distilled formula of Warpstone? I know none who take sustenance in the magic-devoid Halflings, and there are many great Rituals which depend on the spilling of Human blood. Perhaps it is that the Winds of Magic let us buffet the passing of time, and we have simply found the easiest way for our souls to harness them."
—Lord Aristarchus, Necrarch philosopher

"Halflings are watery and bland, Dwarves thicker to the point of being flat and stagnant. One does not drink such things unless one absolutely has to. Elves are like well-aged claret—rich but often overly sweet, a treat best reserved for special occasions or as a dessert. Personally, I prefer a Kislevite—of Gospodar descent if possible— but they are a little strong to serve at a dinner party."
—Lady Ariette von Carstein
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She remains Johanna, the one before being a vampire. But she is also now Johanna, who is now something altogether. You know? That thing I bolded? The mental compulsion to prey on, devour, dominate? That doesn't go away. Ever. It can be tempered, controlled, sure, but...she was irrevocably changed in some negative ways, yeah? Some positives too, but either way, utterly changed.

Too much change for Adolf to accept.

Also, she's not going to be blessed by Taal. That's...just not gonna be a thing.
 
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@torroar : new unit idea, this time with historical basis!

Can't believe I didn't think of this before, but there's a unit in Shogun 2 Total War called Donderbus Cavalry. Basically, it's a cavalry unit equipped with heavy shotguns (no need to worry about it being too advanced--this unit dates back to the mid-1500s); they ride up to an enemy infantry unit, unload a devastating volley of heavy shotguns, then ride away before the enemy unit can effectively retaliate. Obviously, it'd be much riskier to use against enemy ranged units that know the donderbus cavalry are coming, and the rate of fire of the donderbus cavalry would no doubt be slow, limiting the unit to more of a "decisive blow at the right unit/time" and "harassing/baiting" roles than true damage dealing/killing roles.

It seems right up Ostland's alley, so to speak. While Nuln would go all in on nobles wielding revolvers while riding horses, Ostland would come up with a bunch of daredevils wielding heavy blastguns riding up to an enemy, blasting them in the face, then running away before the enemy could reach them/retaliate against them.

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And as long as we're on about blastguns...

SInce we've just about invented the bayonet, maybe fuse that with the blastgun? Make a blastgun that's especially sturdy and perhaps a bit longer than usual, with a hefty bayonet mounted on it, and create a unit that's basically spearmen but able to get a volley of blastgun off before an enemy charge hits?
 
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Lots of character's we either haven't seen in ages or dont see very often.

(Maybe someday agatha and alisa will pass their journeyman test...)


SaltyWaffles said:
@torroar : new unit idea, this time with historical basis!

Can't believe I didn't think of this before, but there's a unit in Shogun 2 Total War called Donderbus Cavalry. Basically, it's a cavalry unit equipped with heavy shotguns (no need to worry about it being too advanced--this unit dates back to the mid-1500s); they ride up to an enemy infantry unit, unload a devastating volley of heavy shotguns, then ride away before the enemy unit can effectively retaliate. Obviously, it'd be much riskier to use against enemy ranged units that know the donderbus cavalry are coming, and the rate of fire of the donderbus cavalry would no doubt be slow, limiting the unit to more of a "decisive blow at the right unit/time" and "harassing/baiting" roles than true damage dealing/killing roles.

It seems right up Ostland's alley, so to speak. While Nuln would go all in on nobles wielding revolvers while riding horses, Ostland would come up with a bunch of daredevils wielding heavy blastguns riding up to an enemy, blasting them in the face, then running away before the enemy could reach them/retaliate against them.
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We can do one better.

DONDERBUS MOTORCYCLE CAVALRY!
 
Not just shotguns, really. Throwing various explosives and/or molotovs would work pretty well.
I'm thinking of the damage dwarven blasting charges and Outrider Grenade Launchers do in TWW2 here.
 
Fireball900 said:
Not just shotguns, really. Throwing various explosives and/or molotovs would work pretty well.
I'm thinking of the damage dwarven blasting charges and Outrider Grenade Launchers do in TWW2 here.
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No, it wouldn't. Simply put, there's far too great a risk of someone dropping an explosive whilst in the middle of a formation, or accidentally lighting the fuse too short, or something. It'd simply be way too dangerous, even for Ostland, outside of extraordinary circumstances (like when facing Nurgle forces, or trolls).
 
Mmm. Blastriders, light cavalry equipped with a blastgun...would effectively still be the old light cavalry but with the addition of the blastgun. It wouldn't be that big of a difference, not like suddenly shooting them up into becoming heavy cavalry...yeah. That might show up soon on the military.
 
torroar said:
主: Effectively means Lord. A position gained when Johanna…well. She went Mulan for a bit. Friendship with others and the like. Her torrid and tragic affair with General Gan Yun's son, Gan Ping. Something she refuses to talk about to this day with anyone. Then she headed back west with a Silk Road Caravan.
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Given that, Johanna definitely would've been the hardest of the original waifu choices to romance. Not impossible, but significantly harder nonetheless, with Ortrud falling in the middle and Natasha turning out to be borderline love at first sight.
 
Actually guys, serious proposal here.

We should both create a regular steamtank and a vapor tank.

The vapor tank, and vapor tech in general is The ostland Engineering schools baby, and no way we gonna give that to anyone else.

But We've basically reinvented the regular steam tank already as well.

I feel we should donate a copy of the data on regular steam tanks back to nuln... after we show off our versions first of course!

But point is, try and keep the rivalry civil, and that ultimately the warmachines we create are to aid the entire empire... not just Ostland.


SneakyWalrus said:
Taal is the King of the Forest, and the God of what is essentially the natural order. Vampires exist as a perversion of humanity, and are unnatural parasites.

Of course Taal was never gonna bless or approve of Johanna.
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Fuck the natural order! the natural order would have seen most people eaten by wolves/stomped on by mammoths/dead of starvation/cold/disease.

Fuck all that forest land burn it all and use it for good broken and tamed crops instead!
 
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ninjafish said:
Actually guys, serious proposal here.

We should both create a regular steamtank and a vapor tank.

The vapor tank, and vapor tech in general is The ostland Engineering schools baby, and no way we gonna give that to anyone else.

But We've basically reinvented the regular steam tank already as well.

I feel we should donate a copy of the data on regular steam tanks back to nuln... after we show off our versions first of course!

But point is, try and keep the rivalry civil, and that ultimately the warmachines we create are to aid the entire empire... not just Ostland.




Fuck the natural order! the natural order would have seen most people eaten by wolves/stomped on by mammoths/dead of starvation/cold/disease.

Fuck all that forest land burn it all and use it for good broken and tamed crops instead!
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But just think of the BANK we could make by having a virtual monopoly on tanks. It's enough to make a grown man weep. You do have a point though.
 
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torroar said:
Mmm. Blastriders, light cavalry equipped with a blastgun...would effectively still be the old light cavalry but with the addition of the blastgun. It wouldn't be that big of a difference, not like suddenly shooting them up into becoming heavy cavalry...yeah. That might show up soon on the military.
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They're fairly distinct, I'd say. While, yes, you could say that they're basically light cavalry with a blastgun, there should be some distinctions:
1) A heavy blastgun. Basically a thicker barrel for a larger/heavier shot and more gunpowder to give it more oomph. The fact that it's a blastgun means that it still has a fairly limited range, but the damage done is fairly devastating. The main limitations are range and rate of fire. Rate of fire in particular, because you're on horseback and you can't even begin reloading right after firing--you have to get away from the enemy first. Meaning that they're all about picking the right targets and the right time to attack. Of course, they can also ride up to a unit's flank and unload from there, if the opportunity presents itself.

I mean, we could just have a unit of light cavalry with blastguns as a stopgap, but the idea would be to develop a heavy blastgun for their use.

2) The damage inflicted on a volley at short range is actually quite high. Enough to devastate the first several rows of infantry of the unit they hit. Of course, the only way they'd ever fire at enemy cavalry is either as a desperate attempt at self-defense before the enemy cavalry charge hits home or if the enemy cavalry is already engaged.
 
ninjafish said:
Fuck the natural order! the natural order would have seen most people eaten by wolves/stomped on by mammoths/dead of starvation/cold/disease.

Fuck all that forest land burn it all and use it for good broken and tamed crops instead!
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No, the natural order would see that people live regular lives with a mind towards paying respect to the forests, without fear of monsters, daemons or undead. Having one extreme without the other end to balance it out just leads to greater and greater issues, but focusing on that instead of supporting a God whose tenants involve "Fuck those monsters, daemons and undead, they shouldn't exist, go kill them all.", is just being dumb. Especially because it just leads to a situation where you end up like the Maw-Worshipping Ogres, just devouring everything to sustain yourself instead of focusing on sustainably using the environment.
 
SneakyWalrus said:
No, the natural order would see that people live regular lives with a mind towards paying respect to the forests, without fear of monsters, daemons or undead. Having one extreme without the other end to balance it out just leads to greater and greater issues, but focusing on that instead of supporting a God whose tenants involve "Fuck those monsters, daemons and undead, they shouldn't exist, go kill them all.", is just being dumb. Especially because it just leads to a situation where you end up like the Maw-Worshipping Ogres, just devouring everything to sustain yourself instead of focusing on sustainably using the environment.
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Except you know... science and its creations are abhorred by taalites and not part of the natural order.

If taal had his way we'd all be fighting with sticks and stones, living in caves, and dying in our thirties.
 
ninjafish said:
Except you know... science and its creations are abhorred by taalites and not part of the natural order.

If taal had his way we'd all be fighting with sticks and stones, living in caves, and dying in our thirties.
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Yeah but that's because humans are failures whose gods are really just imperfect reflections of Elven deities. Really, they're unfit for self-governance /Elf
 
ninjafish said:
Fuck the natural order! the natural order would have seen most people eaten by wolves/stomped on by mammoths/dead of starvation/cold/disease.
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I don't think Taal has any problem with that at all, dude is all about RULES OF NATURE.

Qeqre said:
Yeah but that's because humans are failures whose gods are really just imperfect reflections of Elven deities. Really, they're unfit for self-governance /Elf
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Laughs in Lizardmen master race obeying direct commands from the guys who created all of you.
 
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ninjafish said:
Except you know... science and its creations are abhorred by taalites and not part of the natural order.

If taal had his way we'd all be fighting with sticks and stones, living in caves, and dying in our thirties.
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Fortunately, there are enough monsters for his priests to kill that most of his effort get focused on them. Most gods are in some way problematic, Tal is not really unusual in this.
 
ninjafish said:
Except you know... science and its creations are abhorred by taalites and not part of the natural order.

If taal had his way we'd all be fighting with sticks and stones, living in caves, and dying in our thirties.
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Maybe? This used to be a planet of godzillas, gods made flesh trudging through fields of ice and lava. Then we had the Slaan and Friends Variety Hour show up with its whole host of Thunder Lizards and other godzilla ripoffs. All of that could be argued to be natural, at least from the right perspective.

He might be into our getting the fuck over dying in our thirties and needing such crutches as sticks, stones and caves.
 
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