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Warcraft: The Rise of the Mag'har

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Godogma said:
Indeed it would.

Handing people tools and "helping" gets them charged extra - or it always did when I was building custom computers; if the client wanted to be there and interject themselves in my work which otherwise would take about an hour or so the hourly rate went up just because of general annoyance the customer caused me while I was trying to do my job.

I know my dad and my brother both charge extra for mechanic work where the idiot customer wants to help. Plus an annoyance fee if they decided to try and "fix" it themselves and caused even more problems. Generally it keeps the idiots from being stupid and tinkering with stuff if you charge them extra for what they fuck up that you have to go back and unfuck.

In mechanics terms you're a dabbler if you figure out by following the manual and actually get something to run YOURSELF. You have to either go to school or manage to pass your certification process / an apprenticeship and get certified to become a mechanic.

EDIT: Much like one would assume a shaman would be; you go and learn from the shamans or the furies or whatever then you can call yourself a shaman when they say you can.
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Except we aren't a customer. We were attending a minor ritual. and we were invited.

That last bit is important. It means we were at least trusted to not fuck things up.

It's less "customer X wants to 'help'" and more "Bob, your neighbour is fixing your bike as a favour so you'd better hand him that wrench when he tells you to or get out" and us choosing to recognize that the bike-fixing is a favour and being curious enough to stick around.
 
Qeqre said:
Except we aren't a customer. We were attending a minor ritual. and we were invited.

That last bit is important. It means we were at least trusted to not fuck things up.

It's less "customer X wants to 'help'" and more "Bob, your neighbour is fixing your bike as a favour so you'd better hand him that wrench when he tells you to or get out" and us choosing to recognize that the bike-fixing is a favour and being curious enough to stick around.
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No we went to learn dipolmacy from Greatmother Gayah and ended up helping with some rituals in the process. We still didn't learn how to be a shaman beyond knowing somewhat how a ritual is done. It wasn't like you describe at all.
 
torroar said:
She is perfectly happy to instruct you on the finer points of diplomacy. Couched as her knowledge is in spiritual matters you find yourself actually participating in a few shamanistic rituals, which both humbles you and simultaneously sparks some well-deserved pride in your breast.
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No mention that we learned any shamanism like you seem to think we have.
 
Godogma said:
This is not the Lion King where the ghosts of our ancestors look down on us from Pride Rock and channel their fury.
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Unless you're the Lich King and Frostmourne has just been broken. :V

Then, uh, all the various ghosts are definitely looking down on you and channeling their fury... You probably don't want to be Arthas at that point anymore, though.
Godogma said:
Frankly Dranosh has neither the time nor the inclination to become a shaman in any case; he has a country to run, diplomacy to do, personal orc type things to do ... and he's already a blademaster. So ... yeah. It'd come down to a vote on what things to do this turn and I'm fairly sure that we're not going to vote to change focus from stuff that probably really needs to get done to spend a year or more training to become a shaman.
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*shrug* Thrall's a shaman and a leader.

And I'm not sure I agree that we "have no inclination to becoming a shaman" -- we haven't gone into it yet, but that does not mean that we are unsuitable for it; just un-tried.

I'd actually be totally fine with Dranosh becoming a Shaman! It'd be pretty cool.
 
Garlak said:
*shrug* Thrall's a shaman and a leader.

And I'm not sure I agree that we "have no inclination to becoming a shaman" -- we haven't gone into it yet, but that does not mean that we are unsuitable for it; just un-tried.

I'd actually be totally fine with Dranosh becoming a Shaman! It'd be pretty cool.
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Like you said. Thrall's a shaman. I like Dranosh as a warrior. I like the fact he is going to be wearing armor and what not. Also some blademasters can actually call on the elements to help them.
 
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nightblade said:
Like you said. Thrall's a shaman. I like Dranosh as a warrior. I like the fact he is going to be wearing armor and what not. Also some blademasters can actually call on the elements to help them.
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last i checked the only thing stopping shamans from wearing armor is game mechanics.

besides in lore magic pretty consistently fucks melee's shit.

the best though tend to be fusions of magic and melee, thus why paladins and death knights are so consistently overpowered.

so yes i support shaman/blademaster hybrid.
 
Not really, Doomhammer from what I recall was a pure warrior himself. And he completely wrecked Gul'dan's shit.
Not to mention Grom Hellscream vs. Mannoroth.
Or Broxigar's last stand.

There's probably more, but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.
Magic isn't really an I win button in this universe.
 
So looking at Thrall's page in Heroes of the Storm I noticed that one of his alternative skins could be used for some Fel Orc leader.
 
Going to pick "Aggressive Diplomacy" because while we're already on talking terms with the Draenei, there's no such contact with the Ogres. So, we might as well take action to nip a potential problem in the bud.

As for personal actions... I'm going to go with "A Noble Wolf" and "Let's Go Hunting."

Because I want a wolf. Wolves are awesome.

And because maybe we'll get lucky and find something interesting while hunting! Who knows, could be cool.
 
Garlak said:
Going to pick "Aggressive Diplomacy" because while we're already on talking terms with the Draenei, there's no such contact with the Ogres. So, we might as well take action to nip a potential problem in the bud.

As for personal actions... I'm going to go with "A Noble Wolf" and "Let's Go Hunting."

Because I want a wolf. Wolves are awesome.

And because maybe we'll get lucky and find something interesting while hunting! Who knows, could be cool.
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Fun fact a hunt with a female orc is a form of courtship ritual, essentially we're unlocking what kind of dates we can go on with Kaz.
 
nightblade said:
. We still didn't learn how to be a shaman beyond knowing somewhat how a ritual is done. It wasn't like you describe at all.
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Dabbling =/= instant expert.

Bolded part is pretty much the definition of having dabbled in shamanism. which is exactly what I've described us as doing.

torroar said:
Dranosh, say these words.

Dranosh, toss those bones when I say to.

Dranosh, bow before the spirits.
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Basically novice work. the sort any amateur can perform. Steered by greatmother Geyah. It's still dabbling.

torroar said:
Just examples of Dranosh participating in the rituals with Geyah.
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We have dabbled. We're still a complete novice with no formal education or particular insight. But we have dabbled in shamanism within the story once.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dabble

It was a ritual. we have participated. Ergo: we have dabbled.

Our contribution was superficial in the sense that it was insignificant. superficial participation is pretty much the definition of dabbling.

I'm not saying this makes us a Shaman. I'm saying this means we have, under the watchful eye of Greatmother Geyah, made a contribution, no matter how minor, to a ritual, not matter how small, that was Shamanistic in nature.

Dabble is the correct term to use here.
 
A dabbler is actually capable of doing shit on their own even if its incredibly simple or easy stuff.

A person who dabbles in programming can make the computer say hello world.

We had our hand held the entire way with no explanation what so ever. We literally followed instructions.

Dranosh couldnt replicate shit if he tried.
 
torroar said:
I also possess a dictionary :p
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Sorry torroar, was quoting you mainly to emphasise my point.

Professor Vesca said:
A dabbler is actually capable of doing shit on their own even if its incredibly simple or easy stuff.

A person who dabbles in programming can make the computer say hello world.

We had our hand held the entire way with no explanation what so ever. We literally followed instructions.

Dranosh couldnt replicate shit if he tried.
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In your example, a dabbler and a novice are both people who made their computer said hello. the dabbler has been told what to do, the novice has been told how to do it.

Dabbling does not mean you are taught.

Dabbling means you have done something in that subject at all.

We have contributed to a ritual. That means we have dabbled.

Get your definitions straight. Novice =/= Dabbler.
 
Nah its cool, its just that I've seen the word dabbler so many times now that its doing that thing where it stops looking like a word.

You know, like how you can say banana outloud enough times and it just sounds stranger and stranger?
 
torroar said:
Nah its cool, its just that I've seen the word dabbler so many times now that its doing that thing where it stops looking like a word.

You know, like how you can say banana outloud enough times and it just sounds stranger and stranger?
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@torroar not sure if you saw my last question so I wanted to ask if we will encounter and talk to the Sand Gnomes? Maybe even stop the Gnomes before they descend into tribalism?
 
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