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Warcraft: The Rise of the Mag'har

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Sinsystems said:
Well not really it's more like they found each other
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Yeah the Loa were always there (there is literally a Loa for everything) it's just that the Trolls worship of them however made them powerful enough to interact more with the world and (based on what the Troll say) blessed the Troll race with their famous regeneration.
 
Of course then the troll empire collapsed due to them not listening to the shadow hunters and the zandalari setting themselves up as the voices of the Loa.
 
Sinsystems said:
Of course then the troll empire collapsed due to them not listening to the shadow hunters and the zandalari setting themselves up as the voices of the Loa.
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They were at the height of their power and no one could challenge so in their arrogance they stopped listening to the beings that gave them their power so of course when they fell they fell hard.

Of course in Savages we are raising the Jungle Troll Empire back to it's former strength.:D
 
Massgamer said:
They were at the height of their power and no one could challenge so in their arrogance they stopped listening to the beings that gave them their power so of course when they fell they fell hard.

Of course in Savages we are raising the Jungle Troll Empire back to it's former strength.:D
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The Jungle Trolls are a VAST shadow of their former glory. You haven't even begun to restore their strength, and likely never will. Trolls had a world spanning empire after all before it was shattered by the elves and the Sundering.
 
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Avalon said:
The Jungle Trolls are a VAST shadow of their former glory. You haven't even begun to restore their strength, and likely never will. Trolls had a world spanning empire after all before it was shattered as well by the elves and the Sundering.
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True it most likely won't happen but we can still dream and we will at least be way better off compared to most of the other Troll empires.
 
Massgamer said:
True it most likely won't happen but we can still dream and we will at least be way better off compared to most of the other Troll empires.
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Most? The Amani are a shadow of their former glory, so are the Farraki. The Drakkari inadvertently destroy themselves. The Jungle trolls were shattered as a people due to Hakkar's influence.

The only trolls that still have any sort of actual power left are the Zandalari, and that's not a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.
 
Avalon said:
The Jungle Trolls are a VAST shadow of their former glory. You haven't even begun to restore their strength, and likely never will. Trolls had a world spanning empire after all before it was shattered by the elves and the Sundering.
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Heresy:o we must sacrefice you to the Loa as to not interrupt the rebirt of the empire.
Honestly I'm hopeing we end up taking out the burning legion in both these quest. It is nice to have a dream:D
 
Does anyone know if there is any flying creatures native to Outland (besides Dragons) that we would be capable of training and riding?
 
But yea, for the future turns. I think we can try and see if we can get Ku're back online, and have the Draenei be our mediators with the alliance, with Ku're thrown in as well once he's up and about.

Other than that, we should hopefully handle the Ogre's if it's not too late once the miniors diplomacy action finishes. Having a Gronn killing Ogre would be amazing.
Massgamer said:
Does anyone know if there is any flying creatures native to Outland (besides Dragons) that we would be capable of training and riding?
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Hmm, not that I can think of. The Netherdrakes are the only ones that can successfully navigate the Twisting Nether currents off the top of my head.
All the other creatures are either too small, or can't fly too far from Draenor.
 
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Avalon said:
Other than that, we should hopefully handle the Ogre's if it's not too late once the miniors diplomacy action finishes. Having a Gronn killing Ogre would be amazing.
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It was said that it would be a few years till Cho'war completely took down the Boulder Fist in the hills and it has only been a couple months since then so we should be safe till he gets bored after beating them. Thankfully the survivoring Boulder Fist that left Nagrand from us driving them out returning to the hills should spread the knowledge of us and make the Ogres less likely to look for a fight. Also they will respect our strength which will go a long way when we talk to them.

The goal is to meet Cho'war and develope a friendly relationship and later an alliance between our people.
 
Xkeizer said:
Besides the Nether flight there might still be a few things around depending on how well they've been doing since the creation of Outland.
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Did the Alliance bring any Gryphons with them to Outland when they went to close the Gate? If so and we get good relations with them we might be able to get our own Gryphon riders.

I would think so since the Wildhammer are apart of the Alliance.
 
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Massgamer said:
It was said that it would be a few years till Cho'war completely took down the Boulder Fist in the hills and it has only been a couple months since then so we should be safe till he gets bored after beating them. Thankfully the survivoring Boulder Fist that left Nagrand from us driving them out returning to the hills should spread the knowledge of us and make the Ogres less likely to look for a fight. Also they will respect our strength which will go a long way when we talk to them.

The goal is to meet Cho'war and develope a friendly relationship and later an alliance between our people.
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I don't recall anyone saying that it'd take a few years for Cho'war to push out the Boulderfist. He was already well on his way on solidifying Warmaul hill after all when we scouted him out. And I doubt the Boulderfist are going to talk about us, Or return to Warmaul to get their asses beat again. The Boulderfist are probably moving elsewhere.

Which means the first time he knows of us is going to be on us. And we'll have to prove our personal strength there rather than rely on hearsay and proxies.
 
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Avalon said:
I don't recall anyone saying that it'd take a few years for Cho'war to push out the Boulderfist. He was already well on his way on solidifying Warmaul hill after all when we scouted him out. And I doubt the Boulderfist are going to talk about us, Or return to Warmaul to get their asses beat again. The Boulderfist are probably moving elsewhere.

Which means the first time he knows of us is going to be on us. And we'll have to prove our personal strength there rather than rely on hearsay and proxies.
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It's in the description for the action
Aggressive Diplomacy: Cho'war is waffling over attacking the Mag'har and not attacking the Mag'har. You need to ensure that he decides on the latter. For now he has been keeping busy attacking and pushing out the Boulderfists and the Gronn, but based on the rate he's going in a few years the Boulderfists will be pushed out completely at which point he'll more than likely search for another foe to fight. Or maybe he won't. It is hard to tell with a being who is supposed to be magnitudes more intelligent than normal ogres. But how smart is he? You can't be sure, which means that you'll take Kaz's advice when it comes to ogres. You will start by telling him that there will be no fighting between your people. This will involve violence. Kaz is coming with you for this. Time: 1 Month. Reward: Cho'war does not decide on attacking the Mag'har. Warmaul get to appreciate strength of Mag'har.
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Hmm, guess we do have some time then since it was apparently on turn 7. Still definitely want to do that as our next diplomacy action though.

Which probably means more kaz training.
 
Avalon said:
Hmm, guess we do have some time then since it was apparently on turn 7. Still definitely want to do that as our next diplomacy action though.

Which probably means more kaz training.
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Agreed and the plus side is that even if we need to prove our strength Cho'war is an Ogre Lord who is not only stronger than any of his race he is also smarter so talking to him should be productive as long as we do the right things.
 
overmind said:
Wait, Dark Elves are Trolls?!?!
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Remember, the only native sentient races to Azeroth are the Trolls and the Dragons, and the Dragons only got their amazing abilities through the Titans choosing them to be the caretaker race of Azeroth. The Trolls, naturally, got nothing.

Avalon said:
The trolls also shattered the Old God's Bug Servant Kingdom all by themselves reducing them to 3 smaller bug clans of Azol'Nerub, Ahn'Qiraji, and Mantid.

Whereas the combined armies of the Elves and Dragons could barely seal away the armies of Ahn'Qiraji alone.
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Actually, there was originally just the Ahn'Qiraji, who rose up to challenge the Trolls.

The Troll Empire smashed them so hard that their entire species split into three different races. And then it took all the Night Elves and the Dragons (at their height) power just to smash the remnant of the Ahn'Qiraji, while they were barely starting to reach for their original height.

The old Troll Empires are fucking scary man.
 
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SneakyWalrus said:
Remember, the only native sentient races to Azeroth are the Trolls and the Dragons, and the Dragons only got their amazing abilities through the Titans choosing them to be the caretaker race of Azeroth. The Trolls, naturally, got nothing.
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Let's be fair, did they even need anything?

The Titan's probably took one look at the troll empires and said, "Naw, they've got this under control."
 
SneakyWalrus said:
Actually, there was originally just the Ahn'Qiraji, who rose up to challenge the Trolls.
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Actually, Isn't it Azj'Aquir rather than Ahn'Qiraji?

But yea, Trolls crushed old bug empire while the elves and dragons barely dealt with the remanents of Ahn'Qiraji.

Course, then the Elves crushed the trolls by cheating with the Well of Eternity, and the Sundering finished the rest.
 
Avalon said:
Actually, Isn't it Azj'Aquir rather than Ahn'Qiraji?

But yea, Trolls crushed old bug empire while the elves and dragons barely dealt with the remanents of Ahn'Qiraji.

Course, then the Elves crushed the trolls by cheating with the Well of Eternity, and the Sundering finished the rest.
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That always confused me how did Elves and Dragons beat the Trolls when they couldn't defeat the bugs yet the Trolls did?

It's like a robber defeating a person the cop defeats the robber yet the person beats the cop. So weird.
 
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Massgamer said:
That always confused me how did Elves and Dragons beat the Trolls when they couldn't defeat the bugs yet the Trolls did?
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First, they completely minmaxed abused the Well of Eternity to force the Trolls out of the surrounding regions.

Then, they summoned a fuck ton of Demons and killed a fuckton of established gods, subsequently fucking up a lot of the world.

Then, they blew up the planet cracked the planet in half, sinking most of the territory that made up the Empires.

Understandably, all of this was rather a 'Out-of-Context' issue for the Troll Empires. Basically, the Elves beat the Trolls by cheating.

How very Elvish, no?
 
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SneakyWalrus said:
First, they completely minmaxed abused the Well of Eternity to force the Trolls out of the surrounding regions.

Then, they summoned a fuck ton of Demons and killed a fuckton of established gods, subsequently fucking up a lot of the world.

Then, they blew up the planet cracked the planet in half, sinking most of the territory that made up the Empires.

Understandably, all of this was rather a 'Out-of-Context' issue for the Troll Empires. Basically, the Elves beat the Trolls by cheating.

How very Elvish, no?
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Very Elvish.
 
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