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torroar said:
Could be the Bloodsail Buccaneers? Maybe?
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Razor One said:
They sailed awfully far to buccaneer. That's like Somali pirates raiding England.
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Aye, too far north.

Could be Horde remnants(Dragonmaw Orcs) from the eastern parts of Khaz Modan though.

Or Dark Iron Dwarves. I'm uncertain whether or not Arathor maintains a fleet east of the Thandoll span and the Revantusk Trolls only have a village, not enough to block their way...
 
Qeqre said:
The Thandol Span is in the way though. I kinda doubt the Dark Iron Dwarves would let anything through...
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Hmm... I don't quite remember what their forces on the span were. Did they have the capacity to stop the ships? Would they allow ships if given payment?

Qeqre said:
Also, I'm not certain whether or not the kingdom of Stromgarde has lost control of the area enough for pirates to have established a foothold already. We're still somewhere between WCIII and WoW.
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Between the Forsaken Defilers and the ogres? Probably.
 
Kir the Wizard said:
Hmm... I don't quite remember what their forces on the span were. Did they have the capacity to stop the ships? Would they allow ships if given payment?
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Used to be three land bridges(implying part of the water is shallow) and of the two bridges built by the Dwarves, one got destroyed by the scourge, leaving large chunks of rock beneath the waves.

Those waters are treacherous to navigate with any large vessel.

As for how many Dwarves? Dun Modr is their nearby base of operations.

Kir the Wizard said:
Between the Forsaken Defilers and the ogres? Probably.
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Forsaken haven't pushed into Hillsbrad Foothills yet as far as we know(Leonid mentioned Tirisfal Glades being split three-ways and there's fighting in Western Plaguelands). Hopefully we can get a status update on that once our envoy to Dalaran returns.
 
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Let's think about it. It depends on how late in "After TFT" are we. Rommath has already returned to Quel'Thalas with Kael's orders and magiks, that's for one. So, mid-to-late?

In TFT, Stromgarde had to be intact for Ironforge reinforcements to be able to reach Garithos's army and get lost in the mountains. However, Thoras Trollbane is assassinated right following the Third War, so that means both the ogres and the Syndicate of Alterac are already besieging Stromgarde, if not taken over it.
 
[X]Fight on the Beach
-[X] Archers, Mages and the field ballista are to set up on the cliffs overlooking the beach, this should give them the ideal vantage point to rain death on our enemy.
-[X] Bring flaming arrows and jars of pitch to set the ships alight if possible.
-[X] Our Melee warriors are to form ranks and focus on preventing the enemy from establishing a beachhead.
-[X] Maxwell will accompany the army in case the unidentified group seeks something else than war/raiding.

@Omegahugger Silly Omega, Murlocs don't use ships. :D They have giant turtles and sea beasts!
 
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[X]Fight in the Farmlands
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Zoxabels
[X]Fight on the Beach
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The king Chad
[X]Fight on the Beach
-[X] Archers, Mages and the field ballista are to set up on the cliffs overlooking the beach, this should give them the ideal vantage point to rain death on our enemy.
-[X] Our Melee warriors are to form ranks and focus on preventing the enemy from establishing a beachhead.
-[X] Bring flaming arrows and jars of pitch to set the ships alight if possible.
-[X] Maxwell will accompany the army in case the unidentified group seeks something else than war/raiding.
No. of votes: 3
Derek58, daemonkeeper, LokiTheDarkGod
[X]Fight on the Beach
-[X] Archers, Mages and the field ballista are to set up on the cliffs overlooking the beach, this should give them the ideal vantage point to rain death on our enemy.
-[X] Our Melee warriors are to form ranks and focus on preventing the enemy from establishing a beachhead.
No. of votes: 1
Sinsystems
[X] Assemble our forces in the Farmlands, but send a scouting party to the beach. These may not be enemies, and we don't want to start a fight until we know who or what we're dealing with. For all we know, these ships could have come from Dalaran or another allied power.
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Finagle007
[X] Assemble our forces in the Farmlands, but send a scouting party to the beach.
No. of votes: 1
Crowhunter
[X]Fight on the Beach
-[X] Archers, Mages and the field ballista are to set up on the cliffs overlooking the beach, this should give them the ideal vantage point to rain death on our enemy.
-[X] Bring flaming arrows and jars of pitch to set the ships alight if possible.
-[X] Our Melee warriors are to form ranks and focus on preventing the enemy from establishing a beachhead.
-[X] Maxwell will accompany the army in case the unidentified group seeks something else than war/raiding.
No. of votes: 11
Silveraith, Versharl, Darkcrest, HanEmpire, Qeqre, Restalaan, Razor One, x2ero, Yun, Icefyre, The Stormbringer
[X]Fight on the Beach
-[X] Archers, Mages and the field ballista are to set up on the cliffs overlooking the beach, this should give them the ideal vantage point to rain death on our enemy.
-[X] Our Melee warriors are to form ranks and focus on preventing the enemy from establishing a beachhead.
-[X] Bring flaming arrows and jars of pitch to set the ships alight if possible.
-[X] Maxwell will accompany the army in case the unidentified group seeks something else than war/raiding.
-[X] Mounted knights should take cover behind cliffs, or patches of green if there are any at the chokepoint between the beach and the farmland - one way or another, try to hide their presence in the rear somewhat.
-[X] In case the melee warriors have to fall back to the farmlands, the knights are to wait for the enemy force to pursue our warriors, then flank the enemy from both sides (IIUC, north and south, in relation to the eastward beaches)
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Kir the Wizard
 
You know given the lack of any flag belonging to a faction which even the Scourge normally use... is this fleet comprised of ships belonging to the Forsaken hijacked by individuals within that faction who view rebuilding Lordaeron of old as a better cause to fight, and even die for than whatever reason they joined the Forsaken?

Because forces from Stormwind, or Kul Tiras should at a minimum be flying the Alliance flag. The trolls to my recollection lack a significant navy, and the Elves have very distinct ships who should be flying a flag to avoid misunderstanding.

I suppose it is possible the individual in charge doubts the authenticity of the Princess's survival so he/she intends to take charge through force of personality by not giving the local leadership time to prepare, but then it would need to be someone any survivors of Lordaeron would recognize on sight as a legitimate source of authority, which would be limited to Varian, Daelin, or Jaina.

Amongst those I can't really see Jaina doing it, and it would be odds for Varian to go personally instead of sending a subordinate to confirm even ignoring he has little reason to use such a tactic, but I could see Daelin doing it out of a desire to bring the locals under his command since Lordaeron situations is currently "Presumed overrun by Undead, except this spot" so fighting the nobles every step of the way over who is in charge is courting ruin.
 
Speaking of Daelin, hopefully he doesn't go on his rampage against the Horde. Him and Kul Tiras' fleets would be very useful for more important things than revenge. Like helping the the Scarlet Crusade or protecting the Alliance's sea territory.
 
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TheHappyVampire said:
Speaking of Daelin, hopefully he doesn't go on his rampage against the Horde. Him and Kul Tiras' fleets would be very useful for more important things than revenge. Like helping the the Scarlet Crusade or protecting the Alliance's sea territory.
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I'm pretty sure he headed straight for Kalimdor, not much we can do about that. And even if it is him, this the man who let his daughter have no say in what was going on and decided to basically usurp of Theramore from her for his campaign of revenge the moment he discovered the orcs were rebuilding on Kalimdor.
 
Nah, Zul'Aman is inland.

More likely that the troll navy came from/was based at the eastern coast of the Hinterlands and probably Zul'dare, considering it's right south of Hillsbrad and that's where you get the trolls...and subsequently their naval aid

If I remember correctly, but I could be wrong.
 
Xkeizer said:
I'm pretty sure he headed straight for Kalimdor, not much we can do about that. And even if it is him, this the man who let his daughter have no say in what was going on and decided to basically usurp of Theramore from her for his campaign of revenge the moment he discovered the orcs were rebuilding on Kalimdor.
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In canon he left for Kalimdor after his search through Lordaeron turned up few survivors, and lots of Undead but given the fact that he did so in search of Lordaeron survivors it is plausible for him to view finding a heir to the Throne of Lordaeron as more important than locating survivors who fled west.

That is of course assuming he encountered someone aware that the Princess escaped the capital alive during his initial search for survivors.
Qeqre said:
They provided most of the Horde's navy during the second war IIRC.

At the very least, Zul'Aman should have the infrastructure to maintain a fleet.
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I thought the majority of the Horde's navy was built on the shores of Stormwind after they conquered it?
 
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torroar said:
Nah, Zul'Aman is inland.

More likely that the troll navy came from/was based at the eastern coast of the Hinterlands and probably Zul'dare, considering it's right south of Hillsbrad and that's where you get the trolls...and subsequently their naval aid

If I remember correctly, but I could be wrong.
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It is the land east of Quel'Thalas.

Yun said:
I thought the majority of the Horde's navy was built on the shores of Stormwind after they conquered it?
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The facilities for the Horde Fleet were built near the southshore region(Tides of Darkness, Orc campaign Mission 3) and initially protected by the destroyers/wave riders of the Forest Trolls. The Trolls being indebted to the Orcs after Doomhammer saved Zul'Jin during an earlier mission.
 
torroar said:
Eh, I was going off of WoW, but hey, whatever is chosen as canon by the GM is canon :)
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Not sure what is and what isn't canon for the Amani in this quest really.

I mean, Northern Lordaeron(the zone) is canon in this quest IIRC so that means Stratholme has access to the ocean but Warcraft 3 maps have the Thondroril river connect to a lake in Amani territory while the North Lordaeron maps quite clearly have it spring west of Stratholme.

Warcraft Geography is a bit of a contradictory mess but I prefer to think that the Amani Trolls are a fairly big threat rather than some isolated villages on the edge of Elven territory.

If I recall correctly, there was hype about turning Zul'Aman into a full-fledged zone shortly before it became a raid.

Then again, there were hypes about turning Azjol-Nerub into a full zone so... yea.
 
Xkeizer said:
I'm pretty sure he headed straight for Kalimdor, not much we can do about that. And even if it is him, this the man who let his daughter have no say in what was going on and decided to basically usurp of Theramore from her for his campaign of revenge the moment he discovered the orcs were rebuilding on Kalimdor.
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Yun said:
In canon he left for Kalimdor after his search through Lordaeron turned up few survivors, and lots of Undead but given the fact that he did so in search of Lordaeron survivors it is plausible for him to view finding a heir to the Throne of Lordaeron as more important than locating survivors who fled west.

That is of course assuming he encountered someone aware that the Princess escaped the capital alive during his initial search for survivors.
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Using, what is possibly the most powerful navy in Azeroth, Kul Tiars' fleet(s) for revenge and taking his daughter's men was not a smart move, true. Hopefully he does find us and decides to provide some aid. Or at least not rampage on the Horde and manage the Alliance's fleets as he should.
 
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Actually if the strange lighting is a result of Stormwind soldiers pushing northward towards Tyr's Hand it is plausible this fleet is a result of Varian gathering every able bodied volunteer amongst the Lordaeron survivors, glory seeking mercenary, the remnants of Lordaeron's army, and any other irregular force he can scrounge up to hopefully give the Scarlet Crusade enough warm bodies to meet his army halfway.

A more bleak possibility would be this being a plot by Sylvanus to set off a succession crisis through supporting Calia's claim to the throne, although that seems like it would be far too quick of a turn around since it has been less than a month.
 
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