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UNIVEEEEERSE!!! (-al Gundam idea and discussion thread)

amitakartok said:
For those who are interested, MSG Alpha just updated. It's "shit gets real" time.

Amuro is freaking out like crazy over what happened and almost offs himself. Kai fleeces Eledore in poker for date money. Sleggar and Astonaige find a psycoframe in the Gundam but have no idea what it is, so Sleggar wants to call in the Professor from Lowe Guele's gang.

Yes, you read that last part right: MSGA has revealed itself as a mass-crossover of all Gundam verses, with Bright recounting all the various factions that have seceded from the Federation at various points. There are quite a few of them, from Cosmo Babylonia to Orb to Diana Counter.

And Zeon is waging war against all of them. Simultaneously. And it is winning.:o

Arian is among the factions too - and Reiji is the king, having just taken Aila as royal consort.:D

Even during the recounting, Bright hears a news report about what sounds suspiciously like an UE attack. Officially, it's brushed off as a pirate raid and AEUG is mentioned to operate in those regions.

And if that still wasn't crazy enough, Diana's faction have found a mysterious statue when they colonized their world. A statue they call the White Doll...

Gentlemen, I think we have a serious contender for the title of Best Gundam Fanfic Ever. Time will tell whether it proves worthy of that title.
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Actually, the Wiki page had a list of all the factions, I thought they were just shout outs though, and would not affect the plot...

Anyway, since this fic is probably the best thing since sliced bread, there's no way in hell it will ever be finished.
 
So, I was thinking a bit more about my earlier idea of an Amuro Peggy Sue fic.

Someone pointed out that Amuro could use Matilda to have Revil send him parts to tune up the Gundam with; that is indeed a good idea. One thing I'm thinking about is Amuro eventually designing an Aile Striker-esque sublifter backpack for the Gundam, plus a smaller version for the GM to make the latter's performance comparable with the Rick Dom.

I'm also pondering over Amuro providing input for the development of the NT-1 and while he doesn't get to use it before the One Year War ends, it still becomes a beast of a machine - partly because Amuro reverse-engineered the EXAM System and put it into the NT-1. Another thing that might be a bit too much: Amuro sending schematics to Jaburo so that once the White Base arrives, it is quickly refitted into the Flight III configuration seen on the Albion in 0083.

Now let's move on to the story. Amuro does not even try to hide the advanced piloting skills he brought with him from the future, which results in him blowing through the One Year War with barely any effort - and leaves Zeon initially skeptical about the existence of the Gundam as Amuro's tendency to not leave survivors makes it hard to get eyewitness testimonies. In fact, the Gundam takes more damage from Amuro overstressing the frame than from enemy action. Anyway, Amuro manages to capture Char in their very first engagement and Char remains in the brig of the White Base until Jaburo, when the Zeon attack on the base gives him the opportunity to escape. Coincidentally, this also allows Garma to survive - partly because Amuro deliberately spares him to deprive Gihren of political ammunition. Ramba Ral is also taken alive by Amuro and gets sent to a military prison; he's broken out of by a Delaz-loyalist commando unit during 0083 and makes it to Axis. During the battle of Solomon, Amuro deliberately takes out the Big Zam's I-field generator first, allowing the Federation fleet to blast the thing into pieces and take Dozle alive, though they keep the latter under wraps, which causes the rest of Zeon to think he's dead. Afterwards, Amuro makes it a point to spare Lalah; during the engagement, Char and Lalah both Mewtype-mindlink with Amuro and see Amuro's memories about the future. Having witnessed firsthand the deeds of CCA!Char, it drives a wedge between Lalah and Char; Char in particular is so badly demoralized by it that he doesn't go after Kycilia, who as a result successfully retreats to Axis with the bulk of the fleet once she realizes the battle is lost. At Axis, Kycilia confronts Char about his real identity and tells him that she doesn't care who he is because she'd be stupid to make more enemies in this situation. She also takes in Mineva as her successor.

After the war, Amuro sets up a foundation for finding children with Newtype potential but would keep it low-key to avoid being put under house arrest again; Kamille is one of the Newtype children scouted by him. During the events of 0083, when the Albion is sent to space, they have this masked guy assigned to them by Revil who pilots a heavily customized and armored Gundam Ground Type... that purges its armor in the final battle to reveal itself as the NT-1, piloted by Amuro. The colony drop is averted but its near-success still results in the Titans being founded, despite Amuro's efforts. In response, Amuro becomes one of the founding members of the AEUG.

Other changes from canon include Kamille surviving Scirocco's final "gift" due to Amuro having trained him in the ways of the Newtype and being incapacitated by Jamil Neate-esque PTSD for a while; the three White Base kids all being present on the Argama instead of just Katz, with Kikka even developing a crush on Kamille and eventually joining Judau's gang; Katz surviving and killing Yazan (!) but getting maimed by shrapnel in the process; Char and Haman officially being a couple; and Kycilia tossing Glemy out of the nearest airlock when she finds out about the Purus and putting the girls under Lalah's care/command.
 
Yokay, @amitakartok

While sublifter backpack is possible, instead of Full Armor-type upgrade, I need to point out that it would not me an "mountable" backpack. More likely, it would be an a swap for existing anemic backpack.

EXAM SYSTEM IS BAD. Like, powered by suffering of fragmented soul bad. And Amuro is 1) Newtype himself b) not a sociopath. He would never make that. More likely, there would be however small and/or inefficient take on psychoframe, and, because tech is not quite there, usage of earlier psychosensors. Remember, main gimmicks of Nu Gundam were, beyond psychoframe and funnels with their own reactors was durability and ease of repair.

Okay, Divergence One. Tam Ray does not suffer brain damage from oxygen deprivation. He is one of main designers of Gundam and Amuro can work with him to bring futuretech in more concentrated of a package.
Divergence Two. Survival of Garma. It kinda stuffs Ghiren in the freezer, you know? So, most likely OYW ends with that peace talk that ended with Solar Ray Cannon in OTL. And entire geopolitical situation turns differently.
Char and newtype meld? Poor guy. He would run from politics even harder and would prevent deaths of everyone he could put between himself and rulership. I disagree that message from the future would break apart bonds between Char and Lalah, mostly reverse.

Everything else depends on rails of canon. And you moved away from them quite hard...
 
I figured that since Amuro is a fellow Newtype, maybe he can Newtype-meld with the EXAM System to ease its suffering and gain its willing cooperation.

It could be possible for Amuro to deliberately save his father. The question is, how willing would Tem be to the prospect of his son being an active combatant? Even Amuro's mom points it out that Amuro used to be unable to hurt a fly.

As for Gihren, he tries to off Degwin via colony laser but due to Amuro warning Revil ahead of time, Degwin's ship was deliberately not allowed to close in on the Federation fleet and Degwin went to parlay in a shuttle. Thus, when the colony laser is fired, only the crew of Degwin's ship is lost. Following that, three options are present:
  • Degwin going to parlay a ceasefire was a distraction while Kycilia grabs everything she can and retreats to Axis. The two of them decided this beforehand.
  • The Federation forces believe, due to the colony laser attack, that Degwin coming to treat with them was a trick and proceed with the attack.
  • The Federation leadership decides that since the colony laser just tried to off Degwin, Degwin is no longer backed by the Principality and thus is not a legitimate head of state to treat with. End result is the same as Option 2.
Regardless of which of these happens, Kycilia has Gihren arrested and shot for high treason as he just tried to murder the head of state AND cost the Principality a vital strategic weapon. Degwin is tried as a war criminal, given a life sentence and dies in prison from old age, about two years before the Gryps conflict.

As for Char and Lalah, she says somewhere (can't remember where) that she never wanted Char and Amuro to fight each other. And after seeing from Amuro's mind that not only Char forced the issue but used her as the excuse, she would be more than a bit pissed at Char. Sure, he hadn't committed those deeds yet, but the vision shows that he's fully capable of doing that - never mind that as you just pointed out, he will most definitely try not to.

Forgot to mention how Kamille comes into the picture as a combat pilot: when the Titans find out that Revil is supporting AEUG behind the scenes, they try to off him but Amuro saves the old guy at the cost of exposing his own status as a supporter. Thus, the Titans summarily crack down on Amuro's foundation, with barely disguised intentions of carting his Newtype pupils away to a research facility. That's how Kamille and the White Base kids end up on the Argama. In fact, I'm thinking that the two Argama kids (Shinta and Qum) would be joined by a young Banagher as third. Oh, and the AEUG would spring Dozle from prison at one point.
 
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amitakartok said:
I figured that since Amuro is a fellow Newtype, maybe he can Newtype-meld with the EXAM System to ease its suffering and gain its willing cooperation.
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Lalah just spoke to me. She said... Newtypes aren't tools for killing each other.
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That is literally the EXAM system: A Newtype turned into a tool for killing other Newtypes. I can't see Amuro going along with that thing.
It could be possible for Amuro to deliberately save his father. The question is, how willing would Tem be to the prospect of his son being an active combatant? Even Amuro's mom points it out that Amuro used to be unable to hurt a fly.
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I can see him being willing. At least before the brain damage, Tem seemed like a guy that was more concerned with getting shit done than the method used to do it. Keep in mind, he said outright that loading the Gundam onto White Base was more important than the civilian evacuees, even when his son was among that group. He might not want Amuro specifically in the Gundam, but he'd probably go with it once it's obvious he's one of the best damn pilots that'll ever be.
 
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That is literally the EXAM system: A Newtype turned into a tool for killing other Newtypes. I can't see Amuro going along with that thing.
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Yet he still packed psycommu weapons onto his personal ride and used them against fellow Newtypes. So he condemns weaponizing Newtypes but not the creation and use of Newtype-specific weapons? The two go hand-in-hand.

I picked the EXAM System not because it's cool but because that's the only performance-increasing system available at that timeframe. He can't use a biosensor, psycoframe or N.I.T.R.O. psycommu (does that even work for a Newtype?) for the simple reason that none of these were invented yet at the time the NT-1 was developed.

I can see him being willing. At least before the brain damage, Tem seemed like a guy that was more concerned with getting shit done than the method used to do it. Keep in mind, he said outright that loading the Gundam onto White Base was more important than the civilian evacuees, even when his son was among that group. He might not want Amuro specifically in the Gundam, but he'd probably go with it once it's obvious he's one of the best damn pilots that'll ever be.
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I see your point but he's still Amuro's father. If he wouldn't have any kind of parental feelings, then why did he have Amuro's picture on his office desk in the first episode?
 
amitakartok said:
Yet he still packed psycommu weapons onto his personal ride and used them against fellow Newtypes. So he condemns weaponizing Newtypes but not the creation and use of Newtype-specific weapons? The two go hand-in-hand.

I picked the EXAM System not because it's cool but because that's the only performance-increasing system available at that timeframe. He can't use a biosensor, psycoframe or N.I.T.R.O. psycommu (does that even work for a Newtype?) for the simple reason that none of these were invented yet at the time the NT-1 was developed.
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I'd argue there's a slight difference between a soldier that happens to be a Newtype using a weapon connected to those abilities and literally turning the soul of a fellow Newtype into a tool for killing. And besides, CCA!Amuro could probably handle most of what the One Year War could throw at him in the Guntank. He doesn't need a performance enhancer.
I see your point but he's still Amuro's father. If he wouldn't have any kind of parental feelings, then why did he have Amuro's picture on his office desk in the first episode?
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He does have parental feelings for him. He's also smart enough to accept that Amuro does a better job of piloting the Gundam than any other option at the moment and knows there are kids even younger than him fighting down on Earth. He damned well wouldn't like it, but he'd accept the need for it.
 
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Remember, kids. Beyond Gundam, Amuro left one thing that outlived him, gave him constant income, was popular in entire Earth Sphere, if not extremely popular and gave him modest profit, unrelated to war and related to making people (and geeks) happy.
Haro.

EXAM is horrible performance enchancer, it should not be done. Again, instead of cramming war crimes into his Gundam, he could backport tech from the future. Designs that work without being gimmicky (including flight backpack, yes). And ability to refit new things into his Gundam. Starting from such simple thing as inflatable dummy...

But, my main problem remains that after going into the Past Amuro would be proactive, not reactive. And attempt to prevent deaths and hate and bullshit of later UC he lived through once. And you sticking to the rails. I mean, if General Revil lives, everything changes. Man is the one of the few shown morally uncorrupt politicians in EF and Earth Sphere. It already pulls plug on Titans. More likely, they would turn like ECOAS, still assholes but less assholes with unlimited power.

(Yes, Unicorn's ECOAS was an attempt to preserve baby while throwing away water of Titans. They mostly succeeded. But same could be said about Londo Bell...)

What else to say? Cyber-Newtypes are weaponization of Newtypes. EXAM is weaponization of Newtypes. Angel Halo is weaponization. Ple line of little girls is weaponization. NT-D is weaponization, but with build-in loophole that allows it's usage for more peaceful purposes than "See newtype - hijack his remote weapons and murder him"
 
Tem Ray wasn't a god damn idiot. In the first episode he was a bit saddened that young people like Noah and Amuro were fighting in the war. However he was confident that the Gundam would be instrumental in ensuring a quick end to the conflict. If his son is found out to be super-mega-awesome in the Gundam, then he would likely shrug his shoulders and help make the Gundam the most badass machine ever made.

He was the 'get shit done' type, his methodology would be considered shaky but more towards the 'what works, works, methodology be damned' end of the chart.

Now for an idea of mine that has currently my attention in the Gundam arena (Dawn of War is on hatius for the time being due to a writer's block at this time):

Now it appears that Gundam has the likely perception to see anything socialist or communist in a negative light (its market is the West in general mind you) on all fronts, so having a state calling itself the Union of Socialist Federal Nations and has been IOST'ed to a Gundam universe of your choice. AC (during the anime), AW (during the anime), CE (during the original SEED for extra hilarity), UC (during 0079 for giggles), the IOST doesn't give a shit... well as long it's not G Gundam and its kin.

Anyway this USFN has Mars (and since from what I've gathered most of the universes don't have Mars colonized yet) and a small (comparatively) portion of the Earth and Earth 'Sphere' under their control. Forces on all sides weigh their options as the USFN gets used to the universe they landed in. Assumptions are made and plans formulated 'just in case', stuff like that.

Sooner or later one side will be stupid and attack the USFN due to whatever bigotry or ideology bullshit they have. In the end they get a rather brutal awakening to war. One that will forever remain in the collective memory due to the fact that this USFN had all sorts of underhanded combat bullshit handed to them in wars previous (things like child soldiers and all the shit that the Imperial Japanese were planning to do in Operation Downfall for a start). Mecha don't phase them if you pit them against Zeon or anyone else with mecha, and if anything they'll laugh while wrecking their shit.

The USFN takes war seriously... think they wage war like turians if you want something to equate to. Mecha, to them, needs to be no larger than a Wanzer from the Front Mission series (i.e. anything bigger than 5.5 meters tall, 6 meters is really pushing it) or it is simply instant anti-vehicle bait and their use is pretty much light-infantry/mountain infantry support (essentially being used as rough environ IFVs). They use AFVs like tanks and IFVs more than mecha than anything else and thus get underestimated a bit more.

Also, all the stuff that would make problems later (in the applicable universes anyway) in the universe they end up? Well let's just say plenty of epic NO! comments will be howled in their inner sanctums if you want to know.
 
There was Mars Zeon in UC, there was quite a lot of martian colonies in CE, there is the bit of colonies in AC, no idea about AW (most likely dead), no idea about 00 verse...

Alternatively, take all violently dead Purus, starting with Eple Ple and finishing with Marida Cruze as team mom and throw them somewhere interesting. Like MuvLuv Please don't do this
Or another verse with Gundam-scale bots. Or insert them somewhere where they and their mechs would be OCP. Like Battletech.
Or Equestria, because sometimes you need to make little girls out of the weapons.
 
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There was Mars Zeon in UC, there was quite a lot of martian colonies in CE, there is the bit of colonies in AC, no idea about AW (most likely dead), no idea about 00 verse...

Alternatively, take all violently dead Purus, starting with Eple Ple and finishing with Marida Cruze as team mom and throw them somewhere interesting. Like MuvLuv Please don't do this
Or another verse with Gundam-scale bots. Or insert them somewhere where they and their mechs would be OCP. Like Battletech.
Or Equestria, because sometimes you need to make little girls out of the weapons.
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I like my Tiberium: Fires of Terra clone idea thank you. :p

We could always have orbital habitats at other planets as well or have a terraformed Venus in exchange for Mars. The idea is simply an IOST event and shit going sideways (eventually).

Gundam Meta-verse doesn't really work with anything larger than Sol-sized 'universes' if you know what I mean. If any bigger then Gundam-verses would get slaughtered as more and more units are brought to that meat grinder.
 
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I mean, if General Revil lives, everything changes. Man is the one of the few shown morally uncorrupt politicians in EF and Earth Sphere.
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Revil is a good man but he's only one man and part of the military chain of command. His word means absolutely nothing if the general staff says no.

EXAM is horrible performance enchancer, it should not be done. Again, instead of cramming war crimes into his Gundam, he could backport tech from the future. Designs that work without being gimmicky (including flight backpack, yes). And ability to refit new things into his Gundam. Starting from such simple thing as inflatable dummy...
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And remembering how Amuro tweaked a beam saber to turn it into a javelin... would it be plausible if he invents beam shields several decades earlier? That tech was only invented sometime around UC 0120 so he would have zero knowledge of it but I think he could extrapolate it from current stuff.

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Also, I'd like to ask for ideas involving a Gundam-esque original story. It's not a war story but it does have mobile suits, an Earth vs colonies conflict and a school-age pilot. Basically, imagine the initial political situation of Zeta, switch the morality of the Titans and the AEUG, make the Argama's crew part of the Titans and give them a melee-spec F91 instead of the Gundam Mk II. That's the closest I can get to comparing it with Gundam.

The reason why I'm asking is because I don't want to copy Gundam wholesale. I mean, we do have a colonial independence movement but they are a terrorist group covertly backed by several colonies, including an Anaheim expy who deliberately supplies both sides to sow chaos. We have a Char expy whose parent founded the independence movement but subsequently got assassinated by unity-favoring extremists which in turn whipped up the independence-favoring extremists who twisted the movement into a violent mockery of what it was (plus some corrupting influence from the Anaheim expy). He also has a younger sibling among the protagonists; it's not set in stone yet but she might be physically disabled, with at least one artificial limb (courtesy of the car bomb that convinced her brother that she's not safe at his side, hence why he sent her away).

The plot would go something like this. In the first part, the crew tries to get the main protag's MS to a major military base but said base is attacked and overrun just before they get there, this being the first time the insurrectionists resorted to an all-out offensive as they suddenly pulled out a massively powerful army out of nowhere. In the second part, the crew gets their act together and lead a counterattack that decapitates the insurrection, only to discover the involvement of the Anaheim-expy the hard way when they get ambushed immediately after the battle ends. In the third part, they are now on the run from several PMCs hired by the Anaheim-expy to tie up loose ends and the fugitives end up enlisting the Char expy's help. I have no idea where things go from there.

As for why the Anaheim-expy are stirring things up: it's a take-over-the-world scheme.
  • Turn the peaceful independence movement into a violent insurrection.
  • Give the insurrectionists state of the art weapons and equipment while continuing to supply the military as a defense contractor.
  • Rake in the profits from both sides.
  • Watch the insurrection futilely batter themselves against the military.
  • Watch the military getting weakened from constant pressure.
  • Watch the government losing prestige.
  • Use the money collected from both sides to buy their way into top government positions.
  • Enact legislation that further weakens the influence of the government.
  • Take advantage of the power vacuum to become the dominant force of the world.
Ideas? No Newtype shenanigans or anything in that regard, please. The main protag's machine being a Unicorn-esque autopilot berserker on occasion is enough in that regard.
 
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Revil is something like the Chief of Staff for the Federation. And a war hero. His one speech was sufficient to keep Earth in the war, after all. It's worth noting that in Gihren's Greed, if you have Revil in your faction, Scirocco joins and DOESN'T BETRAY. That's serious power right there.

Regarding Haman and Char. It's worth noting that Haman had basically a one-sided crush on the Red Comet after OYW. He never felt anything for her, and it's arguable that he's a broken man who can't really feel for anyone (other than Lala). I would have Haman not get control of Axis (it was too much too soon for her to handle), and end up with Mashmyre Cello.
 
amitakartok said:
Yet he still packed psycommu weapons onto his personal ride and used them against fellow Newtypes. So he condemns weaponizing Newtypes but not the creation and use of Newtype-specific weapons? The two go hand-in-hand.

I picked the EXAM System not because it's cool but because that's the only performance-increasing system available at that timeframe. He can't use a biosensor, psycoframe or N.I.T.R.O. psycommu (does that even work for a Newtype?) for the simple reason that none of these were invented yet at the time the NT-1 was developed.
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The EXAM system literally uses the imprisoned, tormented soul of a Newtype to function. Psycom (I refuse to call it psycommu) technology gives newtypes an edge when piloting. One is a disgustingly cruel device that in all likelihood qualifies as a war crime, the other is equipment that enhances a newtype's latent psychic abilities without harming them in any way. There is a marked difference.
 
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Another idea that's been running in my head ever since I finished Worm:

What if Celestial Being's Quantum operating system VEDA, which managed to fumble up and was compromised even before the start of the series, was replaced by a system similar to Dragon? ( possibly with E. A. Ray replacing A. Richter as the 'creator')
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Ok, this could be interesting, but it wouldn't be Gundam. An AI on Dragon's level, and I mean NORMAL Dragon, just with the lethality and obey orders shackles removed, with 200 years, Celestial Being's resources, and near-total secrecy, wouldn't need armed interventions to bring about world peace. Hell, given that long Dragon or a Dragon-alike could do it without anyone even REALIZING that there was a puppetmaster behind things. Now, the whole Twin Drive System + Innovation thing might make it slightly harder, but not hard. Dragon Unchained, OTOH, could pull it off inside of 10 years.
 
fluck this shounen nonsense. Amuro grandstanding isn't going to win a war on his own.

My UC head-AU features Sayla Mass with newtype communication powers as the key to making the white base and it's strike team of MS uber lethal. because when Minovsky interference jams your radio and radar, having a psychic versions of them which is unjamable is a superweapon.

Newtype acting as a psychic Fighter Direction Officer staffing the best CICs EFDF money can buy = Xboxhueg Tactical Advantage.

Plus, it gives a female character a decent leading role for once.
 
Hmm. Let's say Bright ends up hurt at some point during the series and Seyla steps up and takes command of the White Base. This puts her on the path of command - and possibly she winds up meeting Ramba Ral and Haman in that bar if she went after Amuro rather than it being Fraw. That could deflect the deaths of those two and send them back to Side 3 to build up support for her.

After Bright recovers Seyla becomes second in command and once the White Base reaches Jaburo she winds up with her own ship, later her own squadron (I admit my recollection of the later sections of MSG are a bit weak) before finally bringing over an even larger portion of the Zeon forces, leaving Seyla/Artesia as commanding a powerful combined fleet. It's an easy step from this to her dethroning the remains of the Zabi family and negotiating some kind of settlement.

This could then lead to a split among Zeon with Artesia's faction, Zabi loyalists and then whoever Char's picked up for his own plans.
 
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Hmm. Let's say Bright ends up hurt at some point during the series and Seyla steps up and takes command of the White Base. This puts her on the path of command - and possibly she winds up meeting Ramba Ral and Haman in that bar if she went after Amuro rather than it being Fraw. That could deflect the deaths of those two and send them back to Side 3 to build up support for her.

After Bright recovers Seyla becomes second in command and once the White Base reaches Jaburo she winds up with her own ship, later her own squadron (I admit my recollection of the later sections of MSG are a bit weak) before finally bringing over an even larger portion of the Zeon forces, leaving Seyla/Artesia as commanding a powerful combined fleet. It's an easy step from this to her dethroning the remains of the Zabi family and negotiating some kind of settlement.

This could then lead to a split among Zeon with Artesia's faction, Zabi loyalists and then whoever Char's picked up for his own plans.
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I don't really see Sayla being 2iC - Ryu or Mirai are more likely candidates, at least based on canon. But hey, shuffling her into a command slot, well, that's and acceptable stretch to get Sayla into a political role where she can shake up the plot.
 
Gundam SEED crossover featuring a certain Harold "Coop" Cooplowski as the Strike's pilot.

What diverges:
  1. Kira becomes the mechanic's apprentice, and he, Murdock and Coop jury-rig a power extender for the Strike, allowing it to go Perfect Strike.
  2. George Allster doesn't die. In fact, Coop tearing up the battlefield allows the 8th Fleet to withdraw with minimum casualties. Which leads to...
  3. ...George Allster taking charge of the Actaeon Project. Seeing Coop using all three Striker Packs simultaneously prompts him to ask Coop to give him some of the performance data, specifications, and suggested improvements to the Strike, which he sends to Actaeon AND to Erica Simmons, leading to the Noir showing up after Jersey.
  4. ...Which also means that Sven and his buddies aren't the basket cases they are in Stargazer.
  5. Each time Coop battles the other Gundams, he takes off an arm or a leg. Except the Duel. He manages to disable the Duel in the battle above the atmosphere. It takes Athrun a near superhuman effort to save Yzak from reentry, but he succeeds.
  6. Kira drafts a design based on the Assault Shroud and sends it to Coop, who sends it to Actaeon - it's only until ORB that the Duel becomes operational, and Kira uses it until the end of the series. Oh, and it's the Blu Duel.
  7. Coop gets the Freedom in repayment for preventing Lacus Clyne from being a hostage. Oh, and when he sits in it, a random building in New Jersey blows up for no apparent reason.
  8. Also, when Coop gets the Meteor, a random city block in New Jersey explodes for no apparent reason, too.
  9. Coop's prowess in handling the Freedom pushes the battle lines far enough away from Orb that Shinn Asuka's family is untouched.
  10. Athrun sees joining the AA reluctantly after making the save with the Justice, but after seeing Kira's noob mistakes despite prodigious piloting, joins anyway to cover Kira's back, and because Coop never killed anyone. (As a matter of fact, Athrun's rage is stronger than in canon because Nicol just plain goes into shell shock after the close call. The Strike vs. Aegis battle is a lot more brutal as a result, with the Noir Striker barely being saved by a last-minute pack swap with Tolle.)
  11. Nicol doesn't die. He does, however, get cockpit phobia from his close shave vs. the Noir, and has to give up the Blitz or he gets turned to hamburger. This may or may not be a future plot point in Destiny.
  12. Oh, and Tolle lives.
  13. Final battle is mostly a reenactment of canon, except Rau doesn't kidnap anyone, and meets a pitiful end at the hands of Coop's "FIRE ALL THE LASERS" button.
  14. Patrick Zala meets the fate of the DMV building in that Megas XLR episode.
  15. Destiny starts in a very, very different way from canon.
 
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Gundam SEED crossover featuring a certain Harold "Coop" Cooplowski as the Strike's pilot.

What diverges:
  1. Kira becomes the mechanic's apprentice, and he, Murdock and Coop jury-rig a power extender for the Strike, allowing it to go Perfect Strike.
  2. George Allster doesn't die. In fact, Coop tearing up the battlefield allows the 8th Fleet to withdraw with minimum casualties. Which leads to...
  3. ...George Allster taking charge of the Actaeon Project. Seeing Coop using all three Striker Packs simultaneously prompts him to ask Coop to give him some of the performance data, specifications, and suggested improvements to the Strike, which he sends to Actaeon AND to Erica Simmons, leading to the Noir showing up after Jersey.
  4. Each time Coop battles the other Gundams, he takes off an arm or a leg. Except the Duel. He manages to disable the Duel in the battle above the atmosphere. It takes Athrun a near superhuman effort to save Yzak from reentry, but he succeeds.
  5. Kira drafts a design based on the Assault Shroud and sends it to Coop, who sends it to Actaeon - it's only until ORB that the Duel becomes operational, and Kira uses it until the end of the series. Oh, and it's the Blu Duel.
  6. Coop gets the Freedom in repayment for preventing Lacus Clyne from being a hostage. Oh, and when he sits in it, a random building in New Jersey blows up for no apparent reason.
  7. Coop's prowess in handling the Freedom pushes the battle lines far enough away from Orb that Shinn Asuka's family is untouched.
  8. Athrun sees joining the AA reluctantly, but after seeing Kira's noob mistakes despite prodigious piloting, joins anyway to cover Kira's back, and because Coop never killed anyone. (As a matter of fact, Athrun's rage is stronger than in canon because Nicol just plain goes into shell shock after the close call. The Strike vs. Aegis battle is a lot more brutal as a result, with the Noir Striker barely being saved by a last-minute pack swap with Tolle.)
  9. Nicol doesn't die. He does, however, get cockpit phobia from his close shave vs. the Noir, and has to give up the Blitz or he gets turned to hamburger.
  10. Oh, and Tolle lives.
  11. Final battle is mostly a reenactment of canon, except Rau doesn't kidnap anyone, and meets a pitiful end at the hands of Coop's "FIRE ALL THE LASERS" button.
  12. Destiny starts in a very, very different way from canon.
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I wish I could give this different simultaneous ratings, because it's awesome, hilarious, and I want to hug you for thinking of it.
 
I've been playing the game Solar War recently, and I've been thinking of an AU where a few years before the OYW, an Alien race attacks humanity.

-The aliens are a race of STL using nomads, they typically move from system to system, exploiting each for a few hundred years before setting out again. Humanity is the first other sentient species they encountered, and it's been hundreds of years since they've fought a serious war.
-After intense debate among their Government, the Aliens decide to launch a preemptive strike against humanity. They fire a large Relativistic Kill Vehicle at the Earth, destroying it's ability to support life, and effectively, the Earth Federation.
-Zeon tries to become the dominant Human Government, but before tensions rise to the point of war, distress signals arrive from Jupiter. The system is under attack from the aliens, and with the now more vital than ever supply of Hydrogen threatened, the Earth Sphere Nations send out a task force to counter it. Human Mobile Suits give them a slight advantage early on, but the Aliens are quickly able to design Suits of their own.
-A few years into the war, the main fighting is at Jupiter, with the occasional alien Raid into the Earth and Mars Spheres. The Asteroid Belt is notable as being particularly dangerous due to alien raiding. The Aliens control everything beyond Jupiter.

Any thoughts?
 
orbital mechanics don't work that way. the outer planets are not lined up to the inner ones like a line of strongpoints. See how in the map below, going from mars to mercury does *not* go through earth or venus.

 
Chloe Sullivan said:
orbital mechanics don't work that way. the outer planets are not lined up to the inner ones like a line of strongpoints. See how in the map below, going from mars to mercury does *not* go through earth or venus.

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When did I imply that?

I meant it more that Humanity doesn't really have the ability to project force beyond Jupiter due to the distances involved and lack of any pre-existing infrastructure like in the Jupiter Sphere make it next to impossible to establish a foot hold, meaning the aliens control the rest of the Solar System de facto.

The Aliens lack interest in the Inner System beyond pacifying Humanity (and maybe the Asteroid Belt), so have not really put as much effort into the Inner System compared to their efforts to secure Jupiter.
 
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