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Noticed there was no Gundam thread yet so made one. Two ideas to start out with.

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What do you guys think would happen if Banagher's Axis Shock were to send both the Nahel Argama and the Garencieres back in time, just a few hours before Operation British begins? How much would it influence the outcome of the war if the two ships were to part ways and rejoin their respective factions? Would Zeon have a chance at not completely losing now that they have some Geara Zulus (descended from the Geara Doga, noted to be cheap and simple to build) to study, copy and mass-produce?

More importantly, how would Dozle react to a teenage Mineva being on the Garencieres? Would she be able to convince him to waste Gihren and pull Zeon out of the war before things get really ugly?

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Second issue. How much would it change the overall atmosphere on the Argama if Puru was a hormonal teenager during ZZ? How far would she want to go with Judau, how far would Judau let her and how bad the friction from the difference would be? Would she be a yandere or just a very aggressive suitor?
 
Is this UC timeline or all timelines?
 
All except Build Fighters. That one already has a thread.

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How do you guys think would SEED be different if it were to take place in the Universal Century, circa UC 0170 (34 years after Victory)?
 
Define 'if it were to take place in'. Would the PLANT replace one of the neutral colonies during the war? Are newtypes and coordinators related in any way (they were not in CE)?
 
Pieces of my brainstorming about this idea on another forum:

After the Zanscare War, the colonies banded together to prevent the emergence of another such threat, unintentionally turning Full Frontal's vision of the Co-Prosperity Sphere into reality. With the Federation coming apart at the seams, the conservative elite tries to gamble on another war by spreading anti-Spacenoid propaganda (which always worked so far) to rally the people against a perceived enemy and start a war aimed at bringing the colonies back into the fold. We can also use the Coordinator card: Unicorn mentions that the Puru clones were genetically engineered to be more receptive towards Cyber-Newtype enhancement, proving that the Universal Century already has the tech. Speaking of technology, the use of beam weapons in UC made armor obsolete. Thus, mobile suits started losing armor due to it being dead weight... but the post-F91 era sees increased use of kinetic weaponry in response to modern mobile suits' lack of armor. So we'd still have railguns and stuff. Also, the Earth's state has resulted in a treaty outlawing non-space military use of Minovsky reactors, prompting engineers to upscale E-cap technology to power full-sized mobile suits.
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So then, Patrick Zala's final move for winning the war would be to colonydrop the equatorial rainforests, reasoning that Char had the right idea to sever humanity's ties with the Earth for good. If we wanted a Freudian Excuse, we could say that Patrick's own parents were killed in the Zanscare War, providing his motivation for such a genocidal act.
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I'm leaning more towards 'succeeds', if only for the drama value. As hax as the Freedom is, not even it can stop a colony. Hell, not even battleships like the Minerva have enough firepower to do anything other than scattering the debris so that the impact is distributed over a larger area. Or we could ramp up the drama even further by the colony being stopped... by hundreds of mobile suits kamikazeing into it and beamrifling their own reactors like the Zaku I sniper guy tried to do at the Torrington assault in Unicorn.
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I don't really know. Maybe Shinn's parents were among the pilots who sacrificed themselves, leaving Shinn with a Shinji Ikari-esque bitter abandonment complex and a need to grow up quickly to take care of his sister, kinda like Judau? Ever seen a Shinn who joined up with the Federation instead of ZAFT? [...] Nor did I. Shinn has a tendency of not seeing the bigger picture unless it's pointed out for him - so I don't think it's very unlikely he could be convinced that ZAFT was responsible for the first war by not just giving the Federation what they wanted to avoid a war. Also, could a ~90 year old Mineva Zabi work as the protagonists' moral leader instead of Lacus? Maybe Lacus is/was her protege?
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I still don't think Cyber-Newtypes would be mass-produced. From Four to Iron Mask, every Cyber-Newtype was insane to some extent. A whole colony cluster of 'em would just beg to wipe itself out through internal conflict.
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And also, Blue Cosmos' slogan about the blue and pure world? The Earth is in its current state due to stuff falling from space. So there's also a justification for an environmentalist group being anti-Spacenoid.
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Regarding my earlier ideas about Peggy Sues, Unicorn's final episode seems to have confirmed that high-level Newtypes can time-travel with a big enough psycoframe.
 
That whole "Blue Cosmos is an environmentalist group" idea was also something I came up with in making a third Cosmic Era story.

I've forgotten most of the relevant parts, only that nearly everyone dies in the end.

And that the moderate faction of Blue Cosmos are the good guys.
 
Daaaamn... sounds like quite a crapsack world you have there.

My own idea regarding a third story involved the Atlantic Federation setting an AI-controlled Destroy Gundam on the loose against the Eurasian Federation for not pitching in on their side in the previous war. ZAFT cannot be seen openly backing Eurasia without sparking another war so they send Shinn and co. as clandestine black ops. Shit ends up going so badly that ZAFT is forced to ask Kira and co. for help.
 
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You sure about that? Even Amuro said back in the original series (when Lalah bit the dust) that "one day, we will even be able to control time".
 
amitakartok said:
You sure about that? Even Amuro said back in the original series (when Lalah bit the dust) that "one day, we will even be able to control time".
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Because Newtypes seeing time is actually something that's happened before (albeit it requiring that the Newtype be DEAD) in previous UC works, while controlling time isn't something that's actually been displayed or stated to have happened. It's a bit more likely that the psychoframe resonance between the Unicorn and Neo Zeong was strong enough to let Banana-G and Frontal see time without having to die than actual physical time travel, based on what's been shown in past UC stuff. Also, according to this pastebin for ep. 7's script (by the same guy who put up the SRWZ 3.1 spoilers and that translation for Bright Noah Story: The Man Who Could Not Ride the Rainbow, I believe), the time travel is a vision caused by the psychoframe resonance and their minds/psyche being taken to another dimension.
 
Pocky Balboa said:
Because Newtypes seeing time is actually something that's happened before (albeit it requiring that the Newtype be DEAD) in previous UC works, while controlling time isn't something that's actually been displayed or stated to have happened. It's a bit more likely that the psychoframe resonance between the Unicorn and Neo Zeong was strong enough to let Banana-G and Frontal see time without having to die than actual physical time travel, based on what's been shown in past UC stuff.
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Just throwing this out there. It could be that because Full Frontal is technically, "possessed," by the ghost of Char, he might be able to do that without actually having to die because he might already count as dead. Just an idea.
 
Number3124 said:
Just throwing this out there. It could be that because Full Frontal is technically, "possessed," by the ghost of Char, he might be able to do that without actually having to die because he might already count as dead. Just an idea.
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Even discounting the problem of Frontal having a meat body even if he's "possessed," there's still the problem of Banana being, you know, alive. No Newtype ghosts have been shown to be able to physically pull the living "over the rainbow," as it were.
 
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personally when it comes to a SEED reboot, I'd keep the technology(SEED's universe has some of my favorite MS designs) and some of the basic worldbuilding(like the basic nation layout, and the stuff about the space-whale for example), but throw out almost everything else, it's just too much poorly written and overly violent grim-dark garbage to be worth trying to fix(I still have no idea how the hell did they manage to do the microwave cannon scenes without every parents group in Japan throwing a bitch-fit over it, although someone important at Bandai and/or Sunrise obviously hated those parts considering Gundam has never gotten that violent again in visual media since, even DESTINY is pretty toned down in comparison)


also I'll probably do a dedicated thread for this later, but what would be some good Super Robot Wars type shenanigans that you'd like to see?(personally I've got two different ideas in the works, one focused on OYW era UC, and the other primarily on G Gundam, F91, and AGE Gen 1)
 
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drrockso20 said:
personally when it comes to a SEED reboot, I'd keep the technology(SEED's universe has some of my favorite MS designs) and some of the basic worldbuilding(like the basic nation layout, and the stuff about the space-whale for example), but throw out almost everything else, it's just too much poorly written and overly violent grim-dark garbage to be worth trying to fix
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I agree with you but from what I observed, the majority of readers won't even bother clicking on a non-highschool AU.
 
amitakartok said:
I agree with you but from what I observed, the majority of readers won't even bother clicking on a non-highschool AU.
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Except most popular SEED stories has actual plot :V

Admittedly, I always want to write SEED rewrite but it's difficult to please angry crowd.
 
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ZeroXSEED said:
Except most popular SEED stories has actual plot :V

Admittedly, I always want to write SEED rewrite but it's difficult to please angry crowd.
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yeah that's why my plan with a SEED rewrite was to just toss out every character except a couple of background ones, they can't really bitch if no-one from the original series is there
 
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yeah that's why my plan with a SEED rewrite was to just toss out every character except a couple of background ones, they can't really bitch if no-one from the original series is there
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They you'll have the original fans bitch about it.

For the best kind of CE story and characterization, try to watch the first 8 episode of Destiny and/or Stargazer OVA.

If the most famous SEED Stories can be believed, OC complement actually works, instead of outright replacement.
 
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ZeroXSEED said:
They you'll have the original fans bitch about it.

For the best kind of CE story and characterization, try to watch the first 8 episode of Destiny and/or Stargazer OVA.

If the most famous SEED Stories can be believed, OC complement actually works, instead of outright replacement.
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I liked Stargazer, but I'm still rather firm in the belief that the cast needs to go, too much baggage attached to them for it to be worth it
 
amitakartok said:
Second issue. How much would it change the overall atmosphere on the Argama if Puru was a hormonal teenager during ZZ? How far would she want to go with Judau, how far would Judau let her and how bad the friction from the difference would be? Would she be a yandere or just a very aggressive suitor?
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Actually, I just sooo could see her making some plans with Haman to get some Judau loving...:grin:
 
drrockso20 said:
I liked Stargazer, but I'm still rather firm in the belief that the cast needs to go, too much baggage attached to them for it to be worth it
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ZeroXSEED said:
If the most famous SEED Stories can be believed, OC complement actually works, instead of outright replacement.
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I'm just going to quote this for truthiness. In my experience these are the only stories that

A) have any quality

B) ever go anywhere


Shikaze said:
Actually, I just sooo could see her making some plans with Haman to get some Judau loving...:grin:
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All my money.

Take it.

NOW.

Make this.

Somebody.

Anybody.

I'm begging over here.
 
amitakartok said:
Second issue. How much would it change the overall atmosphere on the Argama if Puru was a hormonal teenager during ZZ? How far would she want to go with Judau, how far would Judau let her and how bad the friction from the difference would be? Would she be a yandere or just a very aggressive suitor?
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Shikaze said:
Actually, I just sooo could see her making some plans with Haman to get some Judau loving...:grin:
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00Zy99 said:
Make this.

Somebody.

Anybody.

I'm begging over here.
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Who's that next to Shiro Amada?

And yes, I know perfectly well about the age thing.

It would be best if Ple was about 16 or so.

I always thought that Haman really needed someone more stable in her life.

Call it egotistical, but I think that someone like myself could be happy with her. Of course, that way lies the Gary Stu.
 
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