Hmm checking the notes for the upoming maintenance, it looks like there's a graphical problem with Tamamo Caster? Haven't noticed anything myself though.
Possibly because she has a gigantic cartoon head and if you field her alongside Tamamo Lancer it looks like gigantism gone wrong.
Speaking of which, it looks like there's a bug with her third skill as well, the Star Absorption down + Charisma one. Doesn't say what it is though.
Maybe because it doesn't even do its job properly. I brought a support MHXA for a couple runs and had her use it on herself and she consistently still got stars on her cards every time despite the skill supposedly reducing the target's Absorption by 100% aka to zero.
 
Maybe because it doesn't even do its job properly. I brought a support MHXA for a couple runs and had her use it on herself and she consistently still got stars on her cards every time despite the skill supposedly reducing the target's Absorption by 100% aka to zero.
That's because it only reduces the Servant's Star Weight. The individual cards also get assigned a Weight Bonus (one card gets +50 and two others +20), which Invisible Hand doesn't change.

Although if it was consistent that this happened then it might still be bugged.
 
Possibly because she has a gigantic cartoon head and if you field her alongside Tamamo Lancer it looks like gigantism gone wrong.

Maybe because it doesn't even do its job properly. I brought a support MHXA for a couple runs and had her use it on herself and she consistently still got stars on her cards every time despite the skill supposedly reducing the target's Absorption by 100% aka to zero.
So not only is she pretty much the worst 5* by far, but her one useful skill doesn't even really work properly.

That's kinda funny, in a sad way. I wonder how much money she made?
 
So glad the gold berserker I rolled during the event was Frankie and not MHXA.
 
So glad the gold berserker I rolled during the event was Frankie and not MHXA.
You traded a Sith Lord for a Cruise Missile.

In all honesty, Fran is fantastic. She's short-lived and more than likely to kill herself after firing her NP (her third skill increases NP damage but inflicts a burn effect on herself) but she'll murder mobs and damage bosses decently. Her NP gain isn't bad, either.
 
Cards getting stars after MHXA's crit-weight down applies due to Weight Bonus assigned to cards separate from individual Star Weights. The bug with the skill comes in in the form of crit stars literally disappearing into thin air because 0 Weight x (Number of stars) = 0. So, say if MHXA is the only one on the field, and you have 30+ stars, only three of your cards will get 100% stars due to Weight Bonus being applied giving them larger than 0 weight, while the other two cards get nothing and the extra stars just poofs out of existence.
 
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Sorry to ask this question, but I feel a bit confused. Isn't that talking about the mental alchemy that leads to the super calculations that Sion uses? I thought the point was that they used that to make super weapons that made up for having weak circuits. Plus since the Atlas entry in Melty Blood always said that they branched out from medieval alchemy, I thought that the western one the Einzberns used magic circuits, while the one practiced in Atlas tried to rely less on them focusing on their thought acceleration.
Sorry, missed this post.

No, "this particular point" (the part in gold) does not specifically refer to the sort of Alchemy that Sion uses. What the gold bit /is/ discussing is generalities regarding the abilities of the Alchemists of Atlas -- and in general, we're told that their Circuits are of sufficiently low a count that they do not / cannot rely on the use of magical energy within the scope of their academic inquiry.

Now, the Extra CCC Material entry does make other points, but I'm not talking about them. I also didn't quote the entire thing because frankly it's poorly translated.
 
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No, "this particular point" (the part in gold) does not specifically refer to the sort of Alchemy that Sion uses. What the gold bit /is/ discussing is generalities regarding the abilities of the Alchemists of Atlas -- and in general, we're told that their Circuits are of sufficiently low a count that they do not / cannot rely on the use of magical energy within the scope of their academic inquiry.
Thanks for the answer. To recap, since the Alchemists of Atlas don't have many circuits, they don't rely mana and instead focus on mental alchemy like thought acceleration and on creating tools to help them study the truth of the world. So while someone like Sion would still be fine in the world of Extra, the modern alchemists (that diverged from what Atlas did) wouldn't be able to work since they rely on mana (like Iri and her wire tricks).
 
Thanks for the answer. To recap, since the Alchemists of Atlas don't have many circuits, they don't rely mana and instead focus on mental alchemy like thought acceleration and on creating tools to help them study the truth of the world. So while someone like Sion would still be fine in the world of Extra, the modern alchemists (that diverged from what Atlas did) wouldn't be able to work since they rely on mana (like Iri and her wire tricks).
Basically, yes. It's not entirely clear how mental alchemy works (the precise mechanics), or exactly how proficient the average Atlas Alchemist happens to be within the discipline; it isn't clear how widespread these skills actually are. Melty Blood suggests that that etherlite brain-hacking, multi-thread processing, and thought acceleration are skills that the Eltnams in specific excel at over the typical denizens of Atlas. Is it unique to the Eltnams? Do normal Atlas Alchemists possess lesser versions of the Eltnams' capabilities? It isn't clear.

For reference, this is the full text of the existing translation from Extra CCC Material:
The Atlas Institute [place]

The Atlas Institute is an association of Magus and Alchemists based somewhere in Egypt's Atlas Mountains. It is also known as the Giant's Pit.
It was formerly one of the three major branches of the Mage's Association, and it was responsible for measurement and prediction.
It is an institute focused on the study and development of alchemy, but its members broke off from the mainstream modern practice of alchemy that originated in the Middle Ages. Atlas Institute Alchemists are the founders of modern magic practice, and they are more concerned about the greater truths of the universe than mainstream Alchemists.
Unlike most Magus, Atlas Alchemists special abilities were based on a Man+Machine approach. Following their mantra "Faster, Stronger, More Accurate" they treated their bodies as containers to fill and modify in order to develop their abilities.
They possessed great calculation and measurement ability that is rare to manifest naturally in a normal human (and their five senses). It was their belief that humans have evolved to gather information, analyze it and then directly solve any problems perceived.
The correctness of this idea was somewhat proven in the magic-devoid world of Fate/Extra. The Alchemists of Atlas have poor magic circuits, and did not lead their lives relying on magic. As they are Alchemists who did not rely on magic (or to be precise couldn't rely on magic) even as the decline of magic circuits progressed, they could continue their pursuit and study of magic.
However, after an extended period of time where no children were born to succeed the veteran Atlas Alchemists, their self-determined downfall came about irrespective of the magic circuit decline.
There is not even a single homunculus remaining at Atlas. The last living Atlas Alchemist died of sickness after producing the last homunculus, which lives in a cave somewhere else.
The Atlas Alchemists disappeared, and their research facilities which were built using unknown techniques stretch out in an underground city which is now, more or less, a giant graveyard.​
The following is my translation, with corrections:
アトラス院【地名】
The Academy at Atlas【Location Name】

エジプトはアトラス山脈にある魔術師・錬金術師の協会。
An association (協会, kyoukai) of Magi (魔術師, Majutsu-shi) / Alchemists (錬金術師, Renkin-jutsushi) based in the Atlas Mountain Range (アトラス山脈, Atorasu Sanmyaku) in Egypt.
巨人の穴倉ともいう。
Also known as the Giant's Pit.

かつて機能していた魔術協会───その三大部門の一つ、
The formerly (かつて, katsute) operational (機能していた, kinou-shiteita) Magecraft Association -- or rather, one of the three primary branches of such;
蓄積と計測の院。
the institution focused upon aggregation (蓄積, chikuseki, lit. "accumulation") and appraisal (計測, keisoku, lit. "measurement").

中世から主流となった現代錬金術とは異なる、
Diverging from (異なる, kotonaru) the modern practice of Alchemy (現代錬金術, Gendai Renkinjutsu, lit. "modern Alchemy") that has since the medieval period (中世から, Chuusei kara) entered the vogue (主流となった, shuryuu to natta, lit. "become mainstream"),
魔術の祖、世界の理を解明する錬金術師の集団だった。
they are an organization of Alchemists that conducts inquiry (解明, kaimei, lit. "elucidation") into the basis of Magecraft (魔術の祖, Majutsu no So, lit. "the forefathers / origins of Magecraft") and the Laws of the World (世界の理, Sekai no Kotowari, lit. "the principles / rationalities of the World").

魔術師というよりは自身の肉体をマン・マシーンとして扱う異能者たちで、
Rather than referring to them as (というよりは, to iu yori wa) Magi, it would be more appropriate to describe them as Prodigies (異能者, inousha, lit. "persons of unusual ability") that treat (扱う, atsukau) their own flesh (自身の肉体, jishin no nikutai) as Man・Machine (マン・マシーン);
自身の肉体を『正しく、強く、速く』知性を働かせるための容れ物として扱っていた。
treating (扱って, atsukatte) their own flesh (自身の肉体) as vessels (容れ物として, iremono toshite) that exist for the purpose of (ため, tame) laboring (働かせる, hataraka-seru) per the ethos (知性, chisei, lit. "intelligence / wisdom / sapience") of "Accuracy (正しく, tadashiku, lit. "correctness"), Strength (強く, tsuyoku), and Expedition (速く, hayaku, lit. "speed")."

人間とは運動機能(五感)をもった類い希なる計算装置である。
Humans (人間, ningen) are (とは, to wa) exceptional (類い希なる, Tagui-mare-naru) Calculation Engines (計算装置, keisan souchi) that bear the capacity for motility (運動機能をもった, undou kinou wo motta, lit. "bear motility / flexibility") -- the five senses (五感, gokan).

情報を収集し、解析し、
By the aggregation (収集, shuushuu) and analysis (解析, kaiseki) of information (情報, jouhou),
生まれ出る数々の問題に、労働力としてダイレクトに対応できるよう進化した知的生命体が我々人間である、
we Humans (我々人間, wareware ningen) are as sapient organisms (知的生命体, chiteki seimeitai) that have evolved (進化した, shinka-shita) as a workforce (労働力として, roudou-ryoku toshite) with the capacity to directly address (ダイレクトに対応できる, dairekuto ni taiou-dekiru, lit. "able to directly address") any variety of obstacles (数々の問題, kazukazu no mondai, lit. "large variety / quantity of problems") that may arise (生まれ出る, umare-deru, lit. "bear forth") --
というのが彼らの信条だった。
such was their creed (彼らの信条, kare-ra no shinjou).

その正しさは魔術の絶えたEXTRA世界で奇しくも証明された。
Oddly (奇しくも, kushiku-mo), the correctness (正しさ, tadashisa) of such (その, sono) was vindicated (証明された, shoumei-sareta, lit. "proven") in the world of EXTRA, wherein Magecraft came to extinction (絶えた, taeta).

アトラスの錬金術師たちは魔術回路が乏しく、
The Alchemists of Atlas are destitute (乏しく, toboshiku, lit. "destitute / poor / scarce") of Thaumaturgical Circuits (魔術回路, majutsu kairo) --
魔力に頼った活動をしてこなかった者たちである。
individuals who would engage not in such undertakings (活動, katsudou, lit. "activities") as would require reliance upon Thaumaturgical Energy (魔力に頼った, maryoku ni tayotta, lit. "reliant upon mana").

魔力に頼っていなかった(正しくは『頼れなかった』のだが)
Unreliant (頼っていなかった, tayotteinakatta) -- or rather, "incapable of relying" (頼れなかった, tayorenakatta) -- upon Thaumaturgical Energy,
彼らは魔力枯渇の後でも魔術の徒として探求を続けられた。
they were able to continue (続けられた, tsuzukerareta) their pursuits (探求, tankyuu, lit. "explorations / inquiries") as students of Magecraft (魔術の徒, majutsu no to) even after the Mana Depletion (魔力枯渇の後, maryoku kokatsu no ato).

しかし長く次代の子供たちが誕生しなくなり、
However (しかし, shikashi), with the persistent (長く, nagaku, lit. "extended / long") scarcity in the conception (誕生しなくなり, tanjou-shinakunari, lit. "non-engagement in birth") of children (子供たち, kodomo-tachi) for the succeeding generation (次代, jidai),
古参の錬金術師たちの自決死が続いていた
and the successive (続いていた, tsuzuiteita, lit. "continuing") suicides (自決死, jiketsu-shi) of the veteran (古参, gosan, lit. "senior") Alchemists,
アトラス院は魔術枯渇とは関係なく滅びようとしている。
the Academy at Atlas met with a destruction (滅び, horobi) unrelated to (関係なく, kankeinaku) the Mana Depletion.

アトラス院にはもはや一人のボムンクルスしか存在しない。
Within (には, ni wa) the Academy at Atlas, there exists (存在, sonzai) now (もはや, mohaya) no more than (しか, shika) a single Homunculus (一人のボムンクルス, hitori no homunkurus).

最後のアトラスはボムンクルスを鋳造した後に病死し、
The final remnant of Atlas (最後のアトラス, saigo no Atorasu, lit. "the last Atlas") died of illness (病死, byoushi) after (後, ato) coining (鋳造した, chuuzou-shita) this Homunculus,
洞窟には最後の作品だけが残された。
letting to lie (残された, nokosareta, lit. "letting to remain") within the Cavern (洞窟には, doukutsu ni wa) only her final creation (最後の作品だけ, saigo no sakuhin dake).

錬金術師たちが消え、未知の技術体系によって作られた研究施設だけが連なる地下都市は、
With the vanishing (消え, kie) of the Alchemists, this underground city (地下都市, chikatoshi) that complects (連なる, tsuranaru, lit. "comprise by way of interconnection") solely (だけ, dake) of research facilities (研究施設, kenkyuu shisetsu) fabricated (作られた, tsukurareta) by way of (によって, ni yotte) as yet unknown (未知の, michi no) technologies (技術体系, gijutsu taikei, lit. "systems of techniques")
さながら巨大な墓標のようだとも。
has become as (よう, you, lit. "like") an immense mausoleum (巨大な墓標, kyodai-na hakajirushi, lit. "giant grave marker").​
The first part of Holmes' description of Atlas quotes the first half of the Material entry almost word-for-word. Holmes' account mentions that because of a scarcity of Circuits, the Alchemists developed assorted scientific instruments.

TL;DR - The things that the Thaumaturgical Foundations served as intermediaries to hack were dead. Environmental Mana was gone. Atlas Alchemists, however, were able to get by just fine; they had their machines and instruments. In the first place, they never really made use of Foundations, Mana, or Circuits -- and Circuits were in the end merely communication lines created by Goetia to connect him with the members of the 72 Lineages.
 
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Just a thought, if magi are so concered with magecraft dying out, why don't they study whatever the hell makes heroic spirits like medea and tamamo do that stuff in modern day, didnt fallacies theorise they carry there own common sense of man?
 
Just a thought, if magi are so concered with magecraft dying out, why don't they study whatever the hell makes heroic spirits like medea and tamamo do that stuff in modern day, didnt fallacies theorise they carry there own common sense of man?
What's the point of studying people who can do their stuff because of connection to gods shit when gods can't really do that anymore/do things with people in the modern age.

Also a better servant to study I'd say is probably Amakusa with his magical foundation hacks arms.
 
What's the point of studying people who can do their stuff because of connection to gods shit when gods can't really do that anymore/do things with people in the modern age.

Also a better servant to study I'd say is probably Amakusa with his magical foundation hacks arms.
You have a point, what I was trying to raise was why servants are not studied since most mysteries they perform would be invaluable in modern times. especially amakusa's arms. That and how stupid most magi are it seems with how they treat heroic spirits like trash.
 
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Amakusa's arms are things that are theoretically possible for modern magi if they were someone special like Helena I guess as far as I can tell. It'd require a lot of knowledge, talent and special stuff but.
 
You have a point, what I was trying to raise was why servants are not studied since most mysteries they perform would be invaluable in modern times. especially amakusa's arms. That and how stupid most magi are it seems with how they treat heroic spirits like trash.
Because the act of summoning a Heroic Spirit as a Servant is incredibly hard to pull off outside the context of Grand Order or a Grail War? Also, Divine Words is basically asking Gaia to do stuff for you using a dead language. Researching it isn't really going to help modern humans.
 
Studying things like Caster type Heroic Spirits is not as useful as you'd think since even if their magical foundation is still around to use and doesn't require something like Divine Words, you also have to reinterpret their system in terms of the current era which was Lev's job in Clocktower 2015.
 
You have a point, what I was trying to raise was why servants are not studied since most mysteries they perform would be invaluable in modern times. especially amakusa's arms. That and how stupid most magi are it seems with how they treat heroic spirits like trash.
Well the thing about Servants is that they're generally not able to be summoned in normal circumstances. The Holy Grail in Fuyuki and its systems were made by the Einzberns, who are basically one of the best magus families around with a sorcery trait that can be generally summed up as "if I put enough mana into it, it will happen". Even then, system needed to sustain the summoning of Servants takes a large amount of magical energy, which is why each of the Holy Grail Wars usually had intervals that spanned several decades.
 
I wonder if we'll ever have to fight ORT.
Weird thought, but *shrug*
I'm thinking/hoping it might be a Beast or something similar. Crystal Valley has some similarities to the Chaos Tide but I'm not sure what Evil of Mankind it could represent, maybe Regret, given that it can impersonate what it ate and most people who woke it up and got eaten probably felt a lot of regret.
 
I'm thinking/hoping it might be a Beast or something similar. Crystal Valley has some similarities to the Chaos Tide but I'm not sure what Evil of Mankind it could represent, maybe Regret, given that it can impersonate what it ate and most people who woke it up and got eaten probably felt a lot of regret.

ORT's Type-Mercury though? He's not really related to humanity at all. I mean, Goetia pitied them, Tiamat was the mother of all earthly life and Primate Murder (would have) murdered them. IIRC, anyway.
 
>Be bored

>Throw a ticket to the Husbando Gacha

>Gold Berserker

Please don't be Yet Another Lancelooo-



-AHAHAHAHA

I gotta go grind some hundred Berserker Coins. I am not leaving without that plushie.
 
I'm thinking/hoping it might be a Beast or something similar. Crystal Valley has some similarities to the Chaos Tide but I'm not sure what Evil of Mankind it could represent, maybe Regret, given that it can impersonate what it ate and most people who woke it up and got eaten probably felt a lot of regret.
For something to qualify as a Beast, it must be empowered to act within the Domain of Man as an inevitable, conventionally undefeatable Calamity by factors borne of human civilization / the Common Sense of Man itself. Ergo, Beasts are fundamentally existences "related" to humanity.

I'm not sure ORT counts ... ?

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To rephrase, the Beasts are empowered in the same manner that Heroic Spirits are. Or rather, Heroic Spirits are empowered in imitation of the Beasts ...
 
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I wonder if we'll ever have to fight ORT.
Weird thought, but *shrug*
According to Zelretch, it's a century too early to wake it up: "Oh, this cut-off isn't so … no, it's the worst. That damned giant spider will wake up. It's a century too early to face that."
I'm thinking/hoping it might be a Beast or something similar. Crystal Valley has some similarities to the Chaos Tide but I'm not sure what Evil of Mankind it could represent, maybe Regret, given that it can impersonate what it ate and most people who woke it up and got eaten probably felt a lot of regret.
Especially the former 5th Apostle.

 
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