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Trails of Tera Steel (Kiseki-inspired Pokemon Academy Quest)

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Sakamander said:
Damn, what the hell is that type coverage by Aggron? That is impressive.

Unfortunately, I like ghosts, so I will be going Ruins for Gimmighoul or Charcadet and hoping people follow :)
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There's a bunch of physical focused mon that have wild special movepools.

Nidoking isn't in gen 9, but last gen its list of noteworthy damage dealing moves includes the following.
Physical: Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Beat Up, Body Press, Body Slam, Dragon Tail, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Fire Punch, Head Smash, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Megahorn, Outrage, Poison Jab, Stone Edge, Sucker Punch, Superpower, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch
Special: Blizzard, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Hex, Ice Beam, Scorching Sands, Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Surf, Thunder, Thunderbolt
Neither: Super Fang

It also got some off the wall moves like Pay Day.
 
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Personally, my vote is for Pawniard; not only is it (in my own estimation) adorable, it also fills several essential niches in the squad; type coverage in Dark/Steel (Prankster immunity [supposing 1 to 1 game to quest {which yes isn't likely but the trend in the quest is as close to the games as possible whilst being practical and Prankster can't effect Dark types because Dark types are basically all Rudos and know the tricks anyways}] and a harsh reduction in Psychic damage that we otherwise can't realistically wall + take down with reasonable efficiency, since Ghost provides no particular defense against Psychic [and in fact hits itself super-effectively, which means Dark is arguably a better counter to Ghost then Ghost is]) with Dark/Steel's crippling Fighting weakness mitigated by the Cat Nuke (who resists and hits super effectively right back) and Roland (who is immune).

Type coverage aside, the dark type is something we should find eventually anyways -- two ritualists are better than one, after all -- and it adds a (hopefully) steadier presence to the squad of 1 hyperactive ghost dragon that likes to be thrown and the Cat Nuke. Also, Kingambit is a meme and would be funny to have (even if, or perhaps particularly, if Mary ends up going for Knighthood [KOWTOW CLEAVE; OR, FEINT ATTACK FOR THE SUPREME OVERLORD]).
 
I dunno, I'm more interested in flavor than optimization, but if we're doing optimization, I'm not sure that OHKO bait for our rival's Fire/Fighting ace is the best choice. We can check the Tera types to be sure once the actual votes are up though.
 
Tinkatink is still in my heart, and we even have the perfect opportunity to give it a good kickstart to its crafting tree. Give it our skarmory knife to serve as the base for its weapon. Plus, on the mechanical side, fairy/steel is fantastic, it's the physical threat we're missing, and it's resistances would be great for the bug/normal gym in the short term and everything not super effective on steel or fairy in the long term.

Imagine the buster sword/katana/spear/halberd/gunblade it'll turn into in the future.

That's why I'm still tempted to go Heights, even if the Ruins does have Charcadet and Gimmighoul.

The Heights have all sorts of pokemon I like, Nacli, Drilbur, Aron, Pawniard, Tinkatink, it's great. I love steel types almost as much as I love ghosts and psychics.
 
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So, I personally don't want to get a Tinkatink here because of the knight order. Maybe we should visit there after the FE to know how it works and all. Instead of getting one rn. Wah, dunno how to explain
 
Nerdorama said:
I dunno, I'm more interested in flavor than optimization, but if we're doing optimization, I'm not sure that OHKO bait for our rival's Fire/Fighting ace is the best choice. We can check the Tera types to be sure once the actual votes are up though.
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As far as I'm aware, the focus on steel types is for a more well rounded team rather than chasing our rival's team. At which point, Bisharp helps fulfill one of our main late game projects, Tinkaton is just a stellar typing, popular as heck, and doesn't have to worry about stats, and Aggron can potentially go Mega. None of them would be good against Sunny... But that's just not what's being optimized for here.
 
Charcadet would probably be the best for typing against Sunny considering Flash Fire.

Guess we'll have to wait and see what job we have to do to unlock the asterisked pokemon, to see how viable that'd be over just going for one of the ones not locked by that.
 
Karnax626 said:
Charcadet would probably be the best for typing against Sunny considering Flash Fire.

Guess we'll have to wait and see what job we have to do to unlock the asterisked pokemon, to see how viable that'd be over just going for one of the ones not locked by that.
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Fidough would be slightly better, since we already know Sunny has Dark Type moves for coverage, which are Super effective on both of Charcadet's evos.

Well-Baked Body and a Pure Fairy Typing gives both an immunity to Sunny's primary STAB, while also resisting its Secondary STAB and known coverage moves. Then Nemona teaches Sunny Gunk Shot and we cry.
 
NMS said:
Fidough would be slightly better, since we already know Sunny has Dark Type moves for coverage, which are Super effective on both of Charcadet's evos.

Well-Baked Body and a Pure Fairy Typing gives both an immunity to Sunny's primary STAB, while also resisting its Secondary STAB and known coverage moves. Then Nemona teaches Sunny Gunk Shot and we cry.
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Knowing nemona, she's already given sunny a poison jab tm 100%
 
Illunima said:
So, I personally don't want to get a Tinkatink here because of the knight order. Maybe we should visit there after the FE to know how it works and all. Instead of getting one rn. Wah, dunno how to explain
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It's simple;

Mary only has a very passing interest in the knightly orders right now. It's one that I can see her going down, absolutely, and half the thread's already made the determination that that's what they want, but it's not a desire of Mary's yet.

It's a stronger thematic line to wait until Mary actually has a vested interest in joining the Knights to look at catching a Tinkaton. It's not something urgent that has to be done as soon as possible, and I'd argue that it'd actually make for a more interesting catch to catch it later on.

And look, there; there is a Pokémon available right there who fits the idea of a little cadet guy who will one day grow into a knightly figure, but for now is just a lil dude with half a dream.
 
If it's a choice between Tinkatink and a Pawniard, I'm probably going with Pawniard, assuming it is capable of learning the sealing move at some point. I know I was corrected on the mistaken assumption that we needed two mons to do it, but…having the coverage of both is going to be way better to ensure things don't fuck up. And if one is incapacitated or unavailable for some reason, we'll have a backup.

Plus, I sorta like the implicit plot thread of Pawniard needing to reach its final evolution by overcoming rivals and earning their acknowledgment? It's very Pokémon-esque.
 
I mean, even if for some reason it was set in stone that we wouldn't be able to join the knights Tinkatink would still be my first choice. I just think they'd be a great fit although there are other good contenders in that table.
 
Personally, the Heights have the most amount of pokemon I want, which just happens to include Tinkatink, one of the ones I want the most. I'd be just as happy with a Pawniard or Aron.
 
Another reason to go Fidough(why am I even arguing this, I don't even want a Fidough?), is for the Stake Quest. If Something goes wrong, a pure Fairy would be useful against the Treasures of Ruin.

Tinkaton would fill a similar niche if not for its Steel Typing. Chi-Yu would cook them alive, which it wouldn't be able to do to a Fidough/Dachsbun
 
Ryumancer said:
As far as I'm aware, the focus on steel types is for a more well rounded team rather than chasing our rival's team. At which point, Bisharp helps fulfill one of our main late game projects, Tinkaton is just a stellar typing, popular as heck, and doesn't have to worry about stats, and Aggron can potentially go Mega. None of them would be good against Sunny... But that's just not what's being optimized for here.
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It's less that I think we have to optimize for Nemona with every Pokémon and more that - if we're talking about optimization and not theming to begin with - a 4x Fighting weakness sticks out massively when we are gonna be picking a fight with a punch monkey two or three times a month for the foreseeable future. Same objection to Aron, but no one brought Aron up in CharOp. They're both perfectly fine Pokémon but for our current situation they're not more optimal than the other Steel types.

DirtyBean said:
Knowing nemona, she's already given sunny a poison jab tm 100%
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Unironically this; poisons just as an efficient coverage move as Dark for Sunny.
 
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Tempera said:
It's simple;

Mary only has a very passing interest in the knightly orders right now. It's one that I can see her going down, absolutely, and half the thread's already made the determination that that's what they want, but it's not a desire of Mary's yet.

It's a stronger thematic line to wait until Mary actually has a vested interest in joining the Knights to look at catching a Tinkaton. It's not something urgent that has to be done as soon as possible, and I'd argue that it'd actually make for a more interesting catch to catch it later on.

And look, there; there is a Pokémon available right there who fits the idea of a little cadet guy who will one day grow into a knightly figure, but for now is just a lil dude with half a dream.
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Alternatively, Tinkatink could compound the interest in Knighthood and push her to the next step of considering it. There are many paths, assuming we do actually go in that direction. Which isn't guaranteed despite my wishes.

Imagine the image of Mariana and Tinkatink visitng the Chapter House with matching stars in their eyes as they see the Knights and their Tinks.

Nerdorama said:
It's less that I think we have to optimize for Nemona with every Pokémon and more that - if we're talking about optimization and not theming to begin with - a 4x Fighting weakness sticks out massively when we are gonna be picking a fight with a punch monkey two or three times a month for the foreseeable future. Same objection to Aron, but no one brought Aron up in CharOp.
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The 4x Fighting & Ground weaknesses on the Aron family are a feature. Not a bug. Sturdy Metal Burst go brr.

My favourite way to delete a sweeper.

No I will not be paying attention to all of the ways in which this trick doesn't work half as well outside of the game mechanics or how it only really works once per opponent at best before they catch on.
 
LunaticPanda said:
Alternatively, Tinkatink could compound the interest in Knighthood and push her to the next step of considering it. There are many paths, assuming we do actually go in that direction. Which isn't guaranteed despite my wishes.

Imagine the image of Mariana and Tinkatink visitng the Chapter House with matching stars in their eyes as they see the Knights and their Tinks.
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...Doesnt the exact same logic apply to Charcadet though? :V
 
I'm probably just going to vote for whichever mon seems like it's got the most interesting story attached to it or most interesting dynamic with Mariana, Roland, and Renne.
 
One thing somewhat Charcadet related: Psychic and Ghost probably aren't the best pair of types to specialize in, if we decide to go down that path. Just because the odds of us getting anything that could have both of those types at once are practically negative.

Hoopa. Lunala. Dawn-Wings Necrozma. Shadow-Rider Calyrex.

Of course, we don't know how type specialization would work AFAIK. If it would stack on a dual-type 'mon or what benefits there actually are. But just in general what kinda dual-type specialist doesn't have something that combines the two types? What would Larry be without his Staraptor!?

Sakamander said:
...Doesnt the exact same logic apply to Charcadet though? :V
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I think all of the Tinkatuff/Tinkaton in the Orden de Verde would probably make a Tinkatink fangirl harder than a Charcadet would. But they'd both be starry-eyed, yeah.

Shadowphyre said:
If we didn't already have Renne I'd just say we go for both Charcadet and Tinkatink at this point.
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You can never have enough Knights.
 
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LunaticPanda said:
Of course, we don't know how type specialization would work AFAIK. If it would stack on a dual-type 'mon or what benefits there actually are. But just in general what kinda dual-type specialist doesn't have something that combines the two types? What would Larry be without his Staraptor!?
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Who's to say we're specializing anymore! I think most of us are just trying to grab what we like, and in the case of a few of us, we really like ghost types~
 
LunaticPanda said:
One thing somewhat Charcadet related: Psychic and Ghost probably aren't the best pair of types to specialize in, if we decide to go down that path. Just because the odds of us getting anything that could have both of those types at once are practically negative.

Hoopa. Lunala. Dawn-Wings Necrozma. Shadow-Rider Calyrex.

Of course, we don't know how type specialization would work AFAIK. If it would stack on a dual-type 'mon or what benefits there actually are. But just in general what kinda dual-type specialist doesn't have something that combines the two types? What would Larry be without his Staraptor!?
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Like Psychic Dragon is any easier to come by. That's just the Eon Duo and Ultra Necrozma.

Because what type of Type Specialist would we be if we Specialized in neither of our own Starter's Types. :V
 
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