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Deathbybunnies said:
I've never read the VN, but I've heard that at the time it was written the entire genre was porny, and the creators didn't think that it would be successful if it wasn't too. Their solution was to awkwardly shoehorn lewd scenes and justifications for them into a story that really didn't need them.
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It says a lot that you could remove the sex scenes and nothing would change.
 
Leila Hann said:
I get the impression that I'm only supposed to be watching this after having seen some other Fate/Stay Night series, which would give me some idea of what the hell she's talking about. As it is, while it is still refreshing to have a protagonist who knows her way around the occult underworld from the outset for once, the information is coming out way too fast and with way too little context for me to follow. Which, again, is totally forgivable if I'm meant to already know the setting, but if that ISN'T the case then this is a pretty bad introduction for the audience. As it is, all I can gather is that she knows that her wizard dad left her an amulet that can summon some sort of familiar, and she's going to need to do it by a certain time before some other supernatural thing happens.
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As someone who watched the other stuff first, this is very much the case. I believe this is the second rout unlocked in the VN (which I didn't have) and there's also a prequel anime, and this version makes quite a few references to both of them. I was always curious how it would come off to someone with no context, and glad to see it hold up.

Theres an adaptation of the first route too, but it is not hailed as being as high quality, to put things lightly. I remember being unable to finish that one and learning the ending via fanfic, and that was when I actually still finished things ever.
 
Leila Hann said:
I get the impression that I'm only supposed to be watching this after having seen some other Fate/Stay Night series, which would give me some idea of what the hell she's talking about. As it is, while it is still refreshing to have a protagonist who knows her way around the occult underworld from the outset for once, the information is coming out way too fast and with way too little context for me to follow. Which, again, is totally forgivable if I'm meant to already know the setting, but if that ISN'T the case then this is a pretty bad introduction for the audience. As it is, all I can gather is that she knows that her wizard dad left her an amulet that can summon some sort of familiar, and she's going to need to do it by a certain time before some other supernatural thing happens.
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Mm … sort of yes? On the one hand, yes, I think they do expect most people who are watching to be familiar with Fate. On the other, I'm pretty sure this first episode matches up really well with the actual Prologue of the game. Obviously, there are differences due to the change in media, and you aren't getting the same background information you would from the game, but what happens is pretty much the same.
 
Entropy Judge said:
Mm … sort of yes? On the one hand, yes, I think they do expect most people who are watching to be familiar with Fate. On the other, I'm pretty sure this first episode matches up really well with the actual Prologue of the game. Obviously, there are differences due to the change in media, and you aren't getting the same background information you would from the game, but what happens is pretty much the same.
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Lets face it, this version fails to convey a LOT due to just mentioning it in passing and assuming the watcher only needs to be reminded at most. The most obvious example here being how Leila didn't realize

EDIT-There was a spoiler here under a spoiler tab but i'm moving it to the spoiler thread for extra safety.

Unless that was vague in the VN too? If it is, then discount me as silly.
 
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racnor said:
Lets face it, this version fails to convey a LOT due to just mentioning it in passing and assuming the watcher only needs to be reminded at most. The most obvious example here being how Leila didn't realize

Unless that was vague in the VN too? If it is, then discount me as silly.
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Please don't post spoilers in this thread, for the umpteenth time.
 
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confusopoly said:
They did just that in the Playstation version and added better graphics instead. Worked pretty well, except for that scene in the video which they somehow managed to get to make even less sense.
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And voice acting. They aded voice acting in the PS2 version.
racnor said:
Lets face it, this version fails to convey a LOT due to just mentioning it in passing and assuming the watcher only needs to be reminded at most. The most obvious example here being how Leila didn't realize
*Spoilers*
Unless that was vague in the VN too? If it is, then discount me as silly.
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It wasn't explicitly stated in the VN Prologue, but it's clarified later. Though it's hinted at, like when Rin asks Archer his name.
 
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Leila Hann said:
get the impression that I'm only supposed to be watching this after having seen some other Fate/Stay Night series, which would give me some idea of what the hell she's talking about. As it is, while it is still refreshing to have a protagonist who knows her way around the occult underworld from the outset for once, the information is coming out way too fast and with way too little context for me to follow. Which, again, is totally forgivable if I'm meant to already know the setting, but if that ISN'T the case then this is a pretty bad introduction for the audience.
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As said, kinda sorta. This is mostly a straight adaptation of a visual novel, but the studio had some years prior adapted the light novel prequel of the VN to anime. So this anime is both an adaptation of what had originally been a standalone work and a sequel to the animated adaptation to its prequel.

If this is too confusing, the closest analogy would be how the Hobbit movies are both an adaptation of The Hobbit and a sequel/prequel to the Peter Jackson's LOTR movies, hence why you get shoehorned references to LOTR that weren't there in The Hobbit. FSN: UBW (fun with acronyms!) is slightly less bad in that regard.
 
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spiritualatheist said:
Please don't post spoilers in this thread, for the umpteenth time.
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You should also remove the spoiler from the quote :v

Fate is nice. Though odd at times, as seen. I've played the VN and watched the Deen anime myself. And seen some of the Unlimited Bladeworks series. The adaptions do lose some what the VN has, though they look much nicer than the VN.
 
It's interesting seeing how things are taken, what's assumed, and what's missed when somebody is totally blank on this series.

It's been something I've been heavily invested in for a long, long time, so seeing where this goes (if it goes anywhere) should be interesting.
 
Looking at the Fate franchise from the outside is like looking at a hedge maze going up the side of a tall mountain that's inside a mobius strip, with mysterious voices constantly whispering at you to 'take the plunge'.

It says something when Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is easier to explain to the average person.
 
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tankdrop24 said:
Looking at the FATE franchise from the outside is like looking at a hedge maze going up the side of a tall mountain that's inside a mobius strip, with mysterious voices constantly whispering at you to 'take the plunge'.

It says something when Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is easier to explain to the average person.
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Again, tankdrop, it's just Fate.

FATE is the universal roleplaying system. We've been over this.

(Seriously, how did the ALLCAPS way of writing it spread so far? I've even started seeing it on other sites and there's no reason to write it that way.)
 
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This was a genuinely amazing read. Seeing someone deeply analytical go into what's generally considered the best Fate adaptation completely blind is... something.

So, $30 to commission an episode... I'll have to think about it. :V
 
Hah. Fate is good and all, but you really should start from the Zero. Otherwise, it is like starting Harry Potter from the Cursed Child.
 
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