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Now I feel bad that I actually like RWBY. RWBY and GenLock are the only 2 things I like from Rooster Teeth. I pay Rooster Teeth about 10 bucks a month to support them in this. But yeah they don't think through what they are writing enough.
 
Brainarius said:
Now I feel bad that I actually like RWBY. RWBY and GenLock are the only 2 things I like from Rooster Teeth. I pay Rooster Teeth about 10 bucks a month to support them in this. But yeah they don't think through what they are writing enough.
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Tbh, there's nothing wrong with liking works that might have flaws in them. Yes, the plot might get hamfisted at times, but if certain character beats speak to you... then there's nothing wrong with that.

If you just like watching the action scenes even if they aren't the highest quality, nothing wrong with that either.
 
horngeek said:
Tbh, there's nothing wrong with liking works that might have flaws in them. Yes, the plot might get hamfisted at times, but if certain character beats speak to you... then there's nothing wrong with that.

If you just like watching the action scenes even if they aren't the highest quality, nothing wrong with that either.
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Hell, theres nothing wrong with liking works that are hot garbage with a whole laundry list of flaws to them, so long as you recognise that.
 
Sightedjt said:
Hell, theres nothing wrong with liking works that are hot garbage with a whole laundry list of flaws to them, so long as you recognise that.
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Exactly! If you like RWBY, then go ahead and like it. Hell, for all its flaws I do catch up, and I'm finding myself enjoying the episodes when I do so, even if it's only occasionally.
 
Brainarius said:
Now I feel bad that I actually like RWBY. RWBY and GenLock are the only 2 things I like from Rooster Teeth. I pay Rooster Teeth about 10 bucks a month to support them in this. But yeah they don't think through what they are writing enough.
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As the others said, there's nothing wrong with enjoying a flawed or even outright terrible piece of media. Everybody has different tastes, different tolerances for issues with what they read or watch, etc; what matters is that you like it, and you definitely shouldn't feel bad about that. The only times liking a flawed show is problematic is if the flaws are a genuinely serious issue IRL (for example, if a major theme of the work is something like 'homosexuality is evil'), or if you go around attacking anyone who doesn't consider the work a perfect piece of art, neither of which apply here.
 
NSMS said:
As the others said, there's nothing wrong with enjoying a flawed or even outright terrible piece of media. Everybody has different tastes, different tolerances for issues with what they read or watch, etc; what matters is that you like it, and you definitely shouldn't feel bad about that. The only times liking a flawed show is problematic is if the flaws are a genuinely serious issue IRL (for example, if a major theme of the work is something like 'homosexuality is evil'), or if you go around attacking anyone who doesn't consider the work a perfect piece of art, neither of which apply here.
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As far as politics go...I'd say RWBY comes damned close to that threshold with the faunus thing. I don't think it quite crosses it, but it comes close.
 
Even there I think it's ok to enjoy problematic art, though obviously it's best to be conscious about the problems and which aspects you enjoy might say something not great about you, as might being able to overlook the areas of concern.

What's questionable in my view is if you choose to share, promote or champion that art and/or support the artist monetarily because that's really not something anyone has to do.
 
Leila Hann said:
As far as politics go...I'd say RWBY comes damned close to that threshold with the faunus thing. I don't think it quite crosses it, but it comes close.
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Like, if someone says "I like RWBY for it's nuanced, deep, and fair-handed portrayal of racism," I would absolutely judge the shit out of them. If they tried to hold it up as the peak of female and/or lesbian representation, I'd also have a fair bit of side-eye for them.

But if they just said "I like RWBY," I wouldn't automatically jump to it being for bad reasons.
 
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Jaertin said:
Like, if someone says "I like RWBY for it's nuanced, deep, and fair-handed portrayal of racism," I would absolutely judge the shit out of them. If they tried to hold it up as the peak of female and/or lesbian representation, I'd also have a fair bit of side-eye for them.

But if they just said "I like RWBY," I wouldn't automatically jump to it being for bad reasons.
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If you like fight scenes for the spectacle rather than narrative clarity, and don't mind waiting a while between them, then yeah sure. It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize that spectacle on its own just doesn't work on me the way that it does for some people, and that I was looking in the wrong places to understand what people saw in some of these shows (and I'm not just talking about RWBY here).

Ditto if you just like cheesy dialogue and pretty costumes.
 
The actual story of RWBY being an eon-spanning interpersonal drama between Gods and a pair of ancient immortals that the titular main characters have virtually nothing to do with is really funny to me. Have there ever been a bunch of protagonists that've struggled to be relevant more in their own show?
 
Quantumsheep said:
The actual story of RWBY being an eon-spanning interpersonal drama between Gods and a pair of ancient immortals that the titular main characters have virtually nothing to do with is really funny to me. Have there ever been a bunch of protagonists that've struggled to be relevant more in their own show?
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Ruby's eyes are gray, though... I mean, silver.
 
Peak RWBY is just watching unconnected fight scenes on Youtube and making up your own story for what's happening offscreen.

Except maybe the Qrow/Clover/Tyrian fight, cause that was bullshit for a bunch of reasons.
 
I still love the foodfight.
I mean, I stopped watching around the fourth season, but that scene is something I still rewatch on youtube occasionally.
It's just a fun scene, and surprisingly decent choreography if you don't take it seriously or try to apply physics.
 
Man, what the hell was wrong with me, that I stanned this trash fire at all? I enjoyed Rahxephon and GITS for their deep, layered stories, and did so years before I'd even heard of RWBY. I had SMT and Hellboy to scratch my world mythology crossover boner, both of which, at their worst, are better by lightyears than RWBY at its best. Was I looking for dumb anime popcorn entertainment? Why didn't I just watch an actual anime if that was the case? Then I would've gotten something with production values and writing coherency at the bare minimum, even if it was just another bit of disposable isekai trash.

Well, I know the answer is because I was neck deep in the fanfic scene, but why did that bleed into becoming a fan of the show itself, despite being cripplingly flawed from the start? Is fan participation actually a necessity to enjoy RWBY? Because I'm coming up with blanks for any other reason.
 
Leila Hann said:
If you like fight scenes for the spectacle rather than narrative clarity, and don't mind waiting a while between them, then yeah sure. It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize that spectacle on its own just doesn't work on me the way that it does for some people, and that I was looking in the wrong places to understand what people saw in some of these shows (and I'm not just talking about RWBY here).

Ditto if you just like cheesy dialogue and pretty costumes.
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Leila Hann said:
If that had just been a short film unrelated to anything bigger I'd have loved the shit out of it.
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For someone who was quite familiar with and enjoyed Monty Oum's work my initial reaction to RWBy was very much "man there's an awful lot subpar animu highschool inbetween the Monty fights". There was so many damn ways they could've built a show around Monty fights. If you plan well you can have a fight not just be a fight, but a way of showcasing a character's personality, ideology, relationships with others, or character development. There are hints of that, take how Blake interprets her semblance as about running away, but can just as readily be interpreted as the hero who takes the hits no one else can for the team. But just like everything else in RWBY it never really goes anywhere, because there wasn't any planning.

Vinegrape said:
Peak RWBY is just watching unconnected fight scenes on Youtube and making up your own story for what's happening offscreen.

Except maybe the Qrow/Clover/Tyrian fight, cause that was bullshit for a bunch of reasons.
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I found "compilation of Homestuck video sequences" to be a compelling work of post-modern art. Trying to understand Homestuck? I think I need a post-grad for that or something.
 
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Jaertin said:
If they tried to hold it up as the peak of female and/or lesbian representation, I'd also have a fair bit of side-eye for them.
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You know, I was just thinking that if they'd made Ozma a woman after all, I would have been able to forgive RWBY's atrocious lore dump - being that I would have had canon gays to ship, and Baum's Ozma is classic notquite!representation. But if Rooster Teeth had made Ozma a woman, would they even have portrayed her in a relationship with Salem?

Like, they retconned the maidens to be Ozma's daughters. Straight people are pretty much constitutionally capable of remembering that gay couples can have children at all, let alone that adoptive family ties are just as legitimate as biological ties. (No matter that "Ozma gave magic powers to all his adopted children" would have even made the retcon tolerable, by not overturning the idea that the Wizard "merely" met the maidens one day.) And even actual LGBT people rarely tend to consider that trans/cis gay couples can have biological children.

Or was the maiden retcon just incidental, thrown in after deciding Ozma and Salem were in a heterosexual relationship? I can't decide if that would be better or worse.
 
Was the maidens as Ozma's daughters thing a retcon? I remember calling that when they were first brought up in the original let's watch.
 
Something else that should be noted is that they went to the trouble of coming up with a comprehensive foundational myth for how the world came to be the way it is, where the Big Bad and Big Good's special powers come from, the origin story of the omnipresent antagonists that shape the setting... and they didn't bother to work in a role for the actual protagonist's special unique power.

Remember Ruby's silver eyes? Well now we know that all humans who were around when the gods were physically present were destroyed, so the only sources of magic in modern Remnant are Salem and Ozpin. So by implication, silver eyes are approximately as special as Raven and Qrow's ability to turn into birds, just a doohicky that one of the two remaining mages came up with at some point and handed out for funsies.
 
pedanterrific said:
Remember Ruby's silver eyes? Well now we know that all humans who were around when the gods were physically present were destroyed, so the only sources of magic in modern Remnant are Salem and Ozpin. So by implication, silver eyes are approximately as special as Raven and Qrow's ability to turn into birds, just a doohicky that one of the two remaining mages came up with at some point and handed out for funsies.
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I believe we're briefly shown the family of one of Ozpinhead's incarnations in this episode and both his kids had silver eyes, which could mean that either he decided to grant this power to very young kids for some reason, or that all people with Silver Eyes are descended from one of his incarnations.
 
Wateryblue said:
I will name suggestions to give people ideas to commission instead.
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Don't. I'm not even going to ask, it's just damn rude and very poor form to toss out your requests for people to pay for. If you absolutely must bark about it, do it somewhere Leila doesn't have to see it. Start up your own thread or spam the Spoilers thread, but don't do it here.
 
horngeek said:
Tbh, there's nothing wrong with liking works that might have flaws in them. Yes, the plot might get hamfisted at times, but if certain character beats speak to you... then there's nothing wrong with that.

If you just like watching the action scenes even if they aren't the highest quality, nothing wrong with that either.
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Agreed. I am a huge fan of Bleach, Jojo, The seven deadly sins and more... And that's just the Japanese Anime which does not include videogames, movies and books, We enjoy what We enjoy warts and all and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!
 
Leila Hann said:
FUCK.

I just realized that no. No, it actually didn't.

Destroyer took everyone's magic away before killing them. Boston included.

Unless jumping in the grimm jacuzzi restored all her magic for some reason, that's an absolutely glaring plothole. She shouldn't have had any powers past that point.

Unless she actually is the progenitor of the Schnees and her semblance is to have every semblance, of course.


This fucking show.
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I think that was meant to be him just catching all of the attacks and then killing humanity rather than him actually bothering to take away all of their magic forever. Humanity 2.0 just doesn't get any magic later on because I guess Destroyer didn't feel like giving it to them this time, and neither of them considered it might be a good idea to take away Salem's when they were planning on leaving her all alone on a dead world.

Or they just didn't think about her magic at all because they are not very smart gods.
 
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