So...we could find a sleeping Oddish, put a bunch of napalm around it, and when it wakes up, show it a lit match and tell it "Get in the Pokeball or burn"?
Tohjo Military University [Pokémon]
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wdango
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Ha. That's not gonna pass.
Why not?
Not that I'm saying it should, but I need to know what part of the plan is unworkable to refine future plans.
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Not sure an Oddish would understand the concept of threats. It would be as dangerous to us as it is to them, since this is a wilderness with plants and napalm burns shit good.
Just my opinion though.
wdango
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Because it's overkill. You're expending a lot of resources for a simple job.
Also, an Oddish autotomising/shedding its leaves and burrowing deeper to flee, as opposed to attempting evolution, does *not* go through the weakening process.
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It'd freak out and poison us.
That said, I do think we can explain to our Oddish its choices? That is, once it is bagged, it can struggle and we can kill it and find a different Oddish or it can stay calm and we'll give it treats later.
Just as a minor addition to the plan, not as a substitute for it.
That said, I do think we can explain to our Oddish its choices? That is, once it is bagged, it can struggle and we can kill it and find a different Oddish or it can stay calm and we'll give it treats later.
Just as a minor addition to the plan, not as a substitute for it.
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We'll promise it tons of moonlight and fresh soil, better than having to compete for it with predators in the SZ! <3
Lab_Accident
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[x] Talk to Silver and Leaf. (1 Day)
→ [x] Touch base, and start making joint plans. Discuss any preparations that need to be done.
→ [x] Try to be patient with Leaf, and maybe even foster some team spirit. Your lives will depend on each other.
→ [x] Touch base, and start making joint plans. Discuss any preparations that need to be done.
→ [x] Try to be patient with Leaf, and maybe even foster some team spirit. Your lives will depend on each other.
[x] Talk to Silver and Leaf. (1 Day)
→ [x] Touch base, and start making joint plans. Discuss any preparations that need to be done.
→ [x] Try to be patient with Leaf, and maybe even foster some team spirit. Your lives will depend on each other.
Tbh, that's a little late for that, but better late than never.
→ [x] Touch base, and start making joint plans. Discuss any preparations that need to be done.
→ [x] Try to be patient with Leaf, and maybe even foster some team spirit. Your lives will depend on each other.
Tbh, that's a little late for that, but better late than never.
DeepWaters
No one will be the wiser.
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While I actually genuinely think that could be worth a shot in theory, I don't think our proctors will find it particularly convincing as far as tactics go. I'm also not sure it's in character right now; Kotone still doesn't think of pokemon as much more than tools, I think, even if she's factoring in whether an Oddish will resent her for interrupting its evolution.
And, tbh, I think just getting it to sever its leaves and capturing it during hibernation is less cruel and prone to developing resentment than threatening its life, even if we're trying for the carrot-and-stick approach. Might be better than electrocuting it or beating it up though.
DeepWaters
No one will be the wiser.
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Fair enough, on that.
Eh, yeah, I totally want to go for the least cruel approach, and I think Kotone wants that too. I just really doubt that she thinks of pokemon as creatures that can be negotiated with. There's a difference between "I want it to like me so it'll obey me" and "I want to negotiate a willing and mutually beneficial partnership", I guess?
Wait, if Oddish frequent an area, that means that it's probably going to be pretty drained of soil nutrients right? Why not pick up a large bag of potting soil and some fencing? Then we can bury the fencing, and when a Oddish buries itself, we just use our minions friends to yank the damn thing out of the loose soil with ropes. Then do whatever from a safe distance.
DeepWaters
No one will be the wiser.
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Uh... I don't really get this plan. We'd have to carry a heavy and voluminous bag of potting soil into the Safari Zone, weighing ourselves down for that distance, set up the area, and wait until an Oddish happens to come by, which would probably take at least a day out of our very tight schedule. The Oddish would scream when it got uprooted, attracting predators, and probably also spread around some spores that would poison/paralyze our friends. Am I missing some details here?
So, the drug it to sleep plan will work. It just won't work for very long and we'll need to use a lot of drugs.
I just want to know how long really quickly is. Balling a sleeping pokemon guarantees capture, it's just that they'll typically wake up when you try to ball them. It won't matter if the drugs wear off in a minute when they should last an hour if the oddish sleeps through the capture.
We will need to find out how many drugs we need though. And how to apply them.
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DeepWaters
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Like Dio said, this might have been a pretty revelatory insight if we were going solo, but setting up a trap in one area for a pokemon as common as Oddish? That conflicts with one of the advantages of picking Oddish while in a team with a tight traveling schedule-- the fact that we can opportunistically catch it at any time while traveling. There's also no way for us to control what kind of Oddish we get; a weak Oddish loves fertilizer as much as a strong Oddish.
wdango
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The consultation means there's hidden hard numbers that I don't need to be creative enough to think up given to Kotone.
just assume you can ask for "1 dose sleep powder for Oddish"
DeepWaters
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Well, okay, let's think on this possibility more in-depth (...) depends on how soon we expect the Oddish to wake up normally. It could wake up while we're digging it up; if it does, I think that it'll just sit there despite all the strange sensations, given that camouflage is its main defense (so it'll likely instinctively stick to it when faced with something unknown and unfamiliar), but it could potentially bug out and try to run before we get the bag tied on. Thinking on it, I'm not sure whether the sleep powder will work if it's only sprinkled on the leaves; we could probably expose a very small part of its main body to pour the sleeping powder onto it, though.
Assuming that one dose of sleeping powder for Oddish will keep it down for at least half an hour (Is that right, @wdango?), that should hopefully give us enough time to dig it up and catch it. Otherwise, I'm not sure how we'll get enough of the sleeping powder onto it through the bag. Given Oddish's resistance, we can't rely on just pouring it into the bag and shaking it up a bit, or something like that. This also doesn't account for anything going wrong, like a curious predator coming by and distracting us during the sleep timer.
Finally, I think the main issue with relying on the drugging plan is that it will be considered wasteful by our proctors. That said, as long as they accept the plan I am totally okay with them thinking it's wasteful. I'm just not sure they'll accept it. I think the "make it sever its leaves and then catch it while it's hibernating" plan is a lot more likely to go through.
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Sleep powder seems like a good idea for the capture itself, but the bag does present a problem for applying the sleep powder.
If we could get good enough protective equipment in terms of a mask and gloves and all to protect us from the poison long enough, I'd almost skip the second bag and go straight to the capture. Removing the Oddish to a secondary location would require time to set up a secure secondary location I'm not sure we have, given we want to do this as quickly and smoothly as possible.
If we could get good enough protective equipment in terms of a mask and gloves and all to protect us from the poison long enough, I'd almost skip the second bag and go straight to the capture. Removing the Oddish to a secondary location would require time to set up a secure secondary location I'm not sure we have, given we want to do this as quickly and smoothly as possible.
How does the application of sleep powder work? Could we get away with just coating the bag with it?
We could mix the sleeping powder with some Miracle Grow. I can't imagine that the nutrient absorption process is conscious so that should make it super absorbable to the Oddish. And honestly, there's no reason we can't get multiple doses of the stuff and just not use the extra unless we have to. Better to have and not need than to need and not have after all.
Just squirt the stuff on while it's still in the ground and dig it up while it's still sleeping off the mickey.
...it does feel a bit date-rapey though.
@wdango is this valid?
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Deepwaters does have a good point that the rich-soil-trap idea won't guarantee us a strong Oddish.
So you're saying we're staying in-theme on darkness levels, huh?