Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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[X]She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold(+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
I don't want to add water in and I think the 1st isn't really our theme. This one jives really well with our community/isolation domain as well. Our domain effect can isolate people and then deploy this when we've already isolated them and there is nothing they can do. Feels very potent.
I don't want to add water in and I think the 1st isn't really our theme. This one jives really well with our community/isolation domain as well. Our domain effect can isolate people and then deploy this when we've already isolated them and there is nothing they can do. Feels very potent.
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[X] She would make her successor a song of the years ending, the cold that puts the old world to sleep, that it may be born anew in the spring flooding, a thing of waters and rebirth. (+2 Expression XP, sets Successor themes toward Purification and Renewal)
[X] She would make her successor a song of the early chill, the cold snap in spring, the cold that surprises and reaps the unprepared, a thing as much of wind as cold. (+2 Expression XP, Sets the Successor toward themes of Anti-Perception and Motion.)
[X] She would make her successor a song of the early chill, the cold snap in spring, the cold that surprises and reaps the unprepared, a thing as much of wind as cold. (+2 Expression XP, Sets the Successor toward themes of Anti-Perception and Motion.)
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
[X] She would make her successor a song of the years ending, the cold that puts the old world to sleep, that it may be born anew in the spring flooding, a thing of waters and rebirth. (+2 Expression XP, sets Successor themes toward Purification and Renewal)
My reasoning hasn't changed, and people are overstating how much offense we will "Lose" by picking something other then option 2. Yrs has said it'd stay offensive yes? Purification can just as easily be deadly as deep winter, see the Cai arts as an example.
My reasoning hasn't changed, and people are overstating how much offense we will "Lose" by picking something other then option 2. Yrs has said it'd stay offensive yes? Purification can just as easily be deadly as deep winter, see the Cai arts as an example.
Oliver_Twister
Idea-Man, He Who Shits Ideas
- Location
- West Africa
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- He/Him
Okay, so FSS+ is supposed to be based on our insight, and our insight is about Endings and Beginnings. It's about Cycles and Renewal. So FSS+ exploring those themes in a broader context is what I'm going for. I'm voting for something that works with our insight, and then I'm voting for 1 too because of Hanyi. Yrs said FSS+ is going to do lots of damage either way, regardless of the vote, so I'll still have my debuffs. Plus, stealing our enemies' buffs and using them sounds OP, and fits Ling Qi's fighting style more than ADD MORE POWER!!
If we want Persistence, then we should focus on UGM. 2 just reads as UGM+, except you're exchanging the glacier to winter in general, which is something the art already *does*, because SoI used to be part of it before it was split.
[X] She would make her successor a song of the years ending, the cold that puts the old world to sleep, that it may be born anew in the spring flooding, a thing of waters and rebirth. (+2 Expression XP, sets Successor themes toward Purification and Renewal)
[X] She would make her successor a song of the early chill, the cold snap in spring, the cold that surprises and reaps the unprepared, a thing as much of wind as cold. (+2 Expression XP, Sets the Successor toward themes of Anti-Perception and Motion.)
[ ]She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold(+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
Edit: And really, I don't see how 3 is about Spring? It's about transitions and change. It's literally a mirror of our insight. Unless, ofc, our insight mentioning Spring also makes it Spring. And I really don't get the argument about 3 forcing Zhengui in. Yes, it fits some of his concepts, but ultimately, it's about our insight.
If we want Persistence, then we should focus on UGM. 2 just reads as UGM+, except you're exchanging the glacier to winter in general, which is something the art already *does*, because SoI used to be part of it before it was split.
[X] She would make her successor a song of the years ending, the cold that puts the old world to sleep, that it may be born anew in the spring flooding, a thing of waters and rebirth. (+2 Expression XP, sets Successor themes toward Purification and Renewal)
[X] She would make her successor a song of the early chill, the cold snap in spring, the cold that surprises and reaps the unprepared, a thing as much of wind as cold. (+2 Expression XP, Sets the Successor toward themes of Anti-Perception and Motion.)
Edit: And really, I don't see how 3 is about Spring? It's about transitions and change. It's literally a mirror of our insight. Unless, ofc, our insight mentioning Spring also makes it Spring. And I really don't get the argument about 3 forcing Zhengui in. Yes, it fits some of his concepts, but ultimately, it's about our insight.
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- Location
- United States
[X]She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold(+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
Purity is a ridiculously offensive concept, especially for LQ who is all about greys and who has encountered Shenhua first hand. It's destruction incarnate, more destructive than even the End.
Of the options, 3 probably has the greatest offensive potential. 2 comes close, but it presupposes its failure.
I can easily see purification by cold being absolutely terrifying.
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Just for the record, since people are raising concerns about the elements in Option #3:
PonKatt
She Who Runs Into Walls
- Location
- US
[X] She would make her successor a song of the years ending, the cold that puts the old world to sleep, that it may be born anew in the spring flooding, a thing of waters and rebirth. (+2 Expression XP, sets Successor themes toward Purification and Renewal)
- Location
- FR
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- He/Him
[X]She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold(+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
[X] She would make her successor a song of the early chill, the cold snap in spring, the cold that surprises and reaps the unprepared, a thing as much of wind as cold. (+2 Expression XP, Sets the Successor toward themes of Anti-Perception and Motion.)
[X] She would make her successor a song of the early chill, the cold snap in spring, the cold that surprises and reaps the unprepared, a thing as much of wind as cold. (+2 Expression XP, Sets the Successor toward themes of Anti-Perception and Motion.)
- Location
- Earth
[ ] She would make her successor a song of the early chill, the cold snap in spring, the cold that surprises and reaps the unprepared, a thing as much of wind as cold. (+2 Expression XP, Sets the Successor toward themes of Anti-Perception and Motion.)
This option is an interesting one since it builds on Zeqing's ambush predator motif and ties in well with Ling Qi's stealth skills. It develops Ling Qi's techniques demonstrated in the group battle of the 1st year tournament and would emphasise those techniques for the future.
[ ] She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold. (+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
This feels like it is the option most true to Zeqing and Ling Qi as it focuses on Zeqing's identity as the heart of the blizzard, and the Ling Qi's traditional combat approach of grinding down her opponents before ending them. The persistence approach to combat is well established in the narrative and providing mechanical support for that would be helpful imo.
[ ] She would make her successor a song of the years ending, the cold that puts the old world to sleep, that it may be born anew in the spring flooding, a thing of waters and rebirth. (+2 Expression XP, sets Successor themes toward Purification and Renewal)
I feel this option is really out of place - Ling Qi is heading towards this type of theme, but she still has a huge distance to travel to get there. Additionally, this feels like a totally new art, rather than a refinement of Frozen Soul Serenade. This option also feels like it is a total rejection of Zeqing, which seems very out of place given our choice to create the successor art on the anniversary of Zeqing's passing.
[X] She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold. (+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
This option is an interesting one since it builds on Zeqing's ambush predator motif and ties in well with Ling Qi's stealth skills. It develops Ling Qi's techniques demonstrated in the group battle of the 1st year tournament and would emphasise those techniques for the future.
[ ] She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold. (+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
This feels like it is the option most true to Zeqing and Ling Qi as it focuses on Zeqing's identity as the heart of the blizzard, and the Ling Qi's traditional combat approach of grinding down her opponents before ending them. The persistence approach to combat is well established in the narrative and providing mechanical support for that would be helpful imo.
[ ] She would make her successor a song of the years ending, the cold that puts the old world to sleep, that it may be born anew in the spring flooding, a thing of waters and rebirth. (+2 Expression XP, sets Successor themes toward Purification and Renewal)
I feel this option is really out of place - Ling Qi is heading towards this type of theme, but she still has a huge distance to travel to get there. Additionally, this feels like a totally new art, rather than a refinement of Frozen Soul Serenade. This option also feels like it is a total rejection of Zeqing, which seems very out of place given our choice to create the successor art on the anniversary of Zeqing's passing.
[X] She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold. (+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
I never doubted that, but my main issue is that it's still a case of shifting part of the power of our main (only?) finisher into utility for the sake of flavor!
I feel like if we wanted our successor to be about renewal, we should have found an offensive art about renewal, instead of diluting and altering FSS until it becomes unrecognizable.
[X]She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold(+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
I defy anyone -in a friendly manner- to argue that this isn't truly LQ's answer to ZQ's winter, knowing everything we know.
Okay, so I'm going to expand on all of the options here, or at least detail my thoughts my clearly.
1. The first option is about early winters and cold snaps, the sort of cold that appears suddenly and ruins the overeager or underprepared. Its about making the art more focused on swiftness and suprise and thematically leans into and pairs with wind thief.
2. The second option is the closest to how the art funtions now, its about whiteouts and blizzards and deep unrelenting cold that can only be withstood in groups and within static defenses, this is more leaning into Ling Qi's field effects and domain abilities, it pairs well with her isolation tech for example. Thematically it holds steady on winter being a cold and terrible, it remains fully in the wheelhouse of being Ling Qi's weapon of war.
3. Is about the the end of the year,its winter as punctuation and erasure, purification of the world and return to zero, after which comes renewal and growth. Thematically it leans into the cycles thing you've all been poking at and leans toward the new beginnings bit of your insight, and support elements of Ling Qi's arts.
Finally, this is only the first vote, whatever is chosen you still have more choices on aesthetics and effects coming up.
1. The first option is about early winters and cold snaps, the sort of cold that appears suddenly and ruins the overeager or underprepared. Its about making the art more focused on swiftness and suprise and thematically leans into and pairs with wind thief.
2. The second option is the closest to how the art funtions now, its about whiteouts and blizzards and deep unrelenting cold that can only be withstood in groups and within static defenses, this is more leaning into Ling Qi's field effects and domain abilities, it pairs well with her isolation tech for example. Thematically it holds steady on winter being a cold and terrible, it remains fully in the wheelhouse of being Ling Qi's weapon of war.
3. Is about the the end of the year,its winter as punctuation and erasure, purification of the world and return to zero, after which comes renewal and growth. Thematically it leans into the cycles thing you've all been poking at and leans toward the new beginnings bit of your insight, and support elements of Ling Qi's arts.
Finally, this is only the first vote, whatever is chosen you still have more choices on aesthetics and effects coming up.
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Sirrocco
Pedantic
[X]She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold(+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
Because Ling Qi is, in part, about building a Home... and this offers a direct statement of why a Home is an important thing to have.
Because Ling Qi is, in part, about building a Home... and this offers a direct statement of why a Home is an important thing to have.
3 is about murdering the world. It is a perfect encapsulation of Zeqing's End, with the only difference being that LQ acknowledges that most of the time something will eventually replace the people she offed.
PowerLeca
Rapidly aging
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- She/Her
I have really enjoyed Ling Qi being pants-shittingly SCARY, and floods, purification (offense), and renewal just aren't part of that aesthetic for me.
[X] She would make her successor a song of the early chill, the cold snap in spring, the cold that surprises and reaps the unprepared, a thing as much of wind as cold. (+2 Expression XP, Sets the Successor toward themes of Anti-Perception and Motion.)
This one reminds me of the wild blizzard spirit we steered clear of in our trek south. Unpredictable, uncontrollable, untouchable, we engulf you in Freezing Chaos. A bit more heart-attack-inducing than pants-shitting dread, but still heavy on the Fear.
Picking up The Silent Arts with Shu Yue to improve Vanishing would make this combo additionally ludicrous.
[X]She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold(+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
Ah yes, this is the good stuff. You will die cold and alone! This cold is something I lived and suffered and it is Real, and Coming For You Always Every Year. The wording really reinforces the great combo it would get with our Mist. Depression Spiral + Seasonal Affective Disorder
[X] She would make her successor a song of the early chill, the cold snap in spring, the cold that surprises and reaps the unprepared, a thing as much of wind as cold. (+2 Expression XP, Sets the Successor toward themes of Anti-Perception and Motion.)
This one reminds me of the wild blizzard spirit we steered clear of in our trek south. Unpredictable, uncontrollable, untouchable, we engulf you in Freezing Chaos. A bit more heart-attack-inducing than pants-shitting dread, but still heavy on the Fear.
Picking up The Silent Arts with Shu Yue to improve Vanishing would make this combo additionally ludicrous.
[X]She would make her successor a song of deep winter, the cold that cannot be banished without hearth and kin, a thing of purest dark and cold(+2 Expression XP. Sets the Successor themes toward Persistence and Power.)
Ah yes, this is the good stuff. You will die cold and alone! This cold is something I lived and suffered and it is Real, and Coming For You Always Every Year. The wording really reinforces the great combo it would get with our Mist. Depression Spiral + Seasonal Affective Disorder