Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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I wonder if they know what happened now? Or if she just vanished off their radar along with a chunk of the brothels workers a couple months later?

-and if they do know, if they are expecting retaliation? Drafting up letters of support, consulting laws, beefing up security and preparing contingencies in the event that Qingge strikes back with her new resources.

I'm almost certain they do know, considering how when the Magistrate visited Qingge to look over her debts some Liu henchmen showed up and ended up kowtowing to the guy when he introduced himself as head Magistrate for the entire region or something. From there figuring out the truth should be fairly urgent and not difficult.

I just wonder if they care. Considering how this went on for so long without intervention and the general state of Tonghou, all while existing in the same Province as Cai Shenhua, I really wonder what's going on in their head.

This isn't even mentioning the Exorcist of Tonghou side story which is it's own entire thing.

At this point I'm not super interested in vengeance for LQ or Qingge's sake, but will not be at all surprised if we end up ruining their day sometime down the line in an entirely official capacity, and quite honestly am eager to get around to it if only for the mortals living under these bastards.

…funny thought, it would be wonderfully karmic for us to take over their viscounty. Doesn't seem super likely with our current land aspirations but that would be a hell of a thing.

Edit: Hell I wonder what would happen if we visit while Throttle-sensei is shadowing us.
 
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I'm trying to remember: was it ever confirmed that they had Ling Qi's father killed? Because he might just have left Qimom, yes, but it *really* seemed like they just... You know. Deprived our girl of her goofy circus dad. And ruined her mom's life and future over trying to escape becoming a noble's concubine. Continuously.

What I mean is, it's not only about the grudge over the main characters entire family and the loneliness and deprivation that deeply affected her, it's also about the corruption and abuse of power of the powerful over the powerless. And justice. And acting against a clearly horrible clan. Which is an important point to Qi's liege lord's policies over corruption and abuse of power, and her own personal convictions.

Like, Ling Qi and Biyu almost died. I don't think we know Biyu's talent yet, but Ling Qi's case alone is a near tragedy even from a purely utilitarian standpoint. Acting against the Liu could be a great PR move done to deserving targets and with righteous personal satisfaction as a cherry on top
 
My heart broke, and so early in the morning too.

I'm so, so glad we didn't abandon the family storyline. They say living well is the best revenge, but this isn't just about revenge. If the Liu were willing to go so far, then I fear what other things they're subjecting other people too at this moment.

I hope the Cai's justice reaches the people of Tonghou soon.
 
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Counter: One person alone cannot make a home.

We gotta hunt them down, but only if Qingge wants to. If she doesn't, then we can say okay and do petty things, like succeed and then give them extra tariffs for all the neat stuff we get, or ask Suyin to increases the prices for the Abyssal metal detectors of they want to buy stuff.
There is another option...
Who is very fond of Ling Qi, has copious mommy issues of her own, and comes from a family that believes slights are best repaid with ultraviolence?
Give Best Snek a full dossier on what the Liu did to Qi's mom, and watch something gruesome happen to them in fifty years time.
Meizhen could even time their downfall for Ling Qi's birthday.
I'm almost certain they do know, considering how when the Magistrate visited Qingge to look over her debts some Liu henchmen showed up and ended up kowtowing to the guy when he introduced himself as head Magistrate for the entire region or something. From there figuring out the truth should be fairly urgent and not difficult.
It was the Senior Judge-Magistrate for the entire central region of the Emerald Seas, just one or two steps down from the Minister of Law for the entire province. Basically a bunch of sharks were bullying a guppy, and then all of a sudden Leviathan emerged from the deeps and said "what's this then?" disapprovingly.
 
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Luckily we don't even really need to do anything egregious to get revenge. Their actions are completely against the Duchess' reforms and I'm certain we could make their lives hell through completely legal means. If they bothered to do this shit for a small insult from a mortal, I'm sure they have much larger skeletons in their closets.
We already did. Remember Renxiang sicced the regional chief justice on the area on our say so?

It was massive overkill, but they aren't going to just do the one case and leave. If they've already gone to the trouble and expense of the journey, they're going to audit the local situation while they're there.
 
I'm trying to remember: was it ever confirmed that they had Ling Qi's father killed? Because he might just have left Qimom, yes, but it *really* seemed like they just... You know. Deprived our girl of her goofy circus dad. And ruined her mom's life and future over trying to escape becoming a noble's concubine. Continuously.
...I never even thought of that possibility.
If it does turn out that Qi's dad didn't abandon her mom, but that the Liu killed him instead? Then blood feud is the only option, period.
 
I wonder if they know what happened now? Or if she just vanished off their radar along with a chunk of the brothels workers a couple months later?

-and if they do know, if they are expecting retaliation? Drafting up letters of support, consulting laws, beefing up security and preparing contingencies in the event that Qingge strikes back with her new resources.
They know something happened, though to what degree is unclear

After Ling Qingge started receiving money from Ling Qi the Liu caught wind of her sudden influx of silver, despite Qingge's attempts to be careful
They tried sending Loan Sharks after her which prompted Qingge to reach out to Qi for help
Qi had a word with CRX, who helped her pen a letter to the appropriate Ministry and attached her personal note saying she'd like the matter taken care of to it
The next time the Loan Sharks arrived they found the Senior Judge Magistrate for the entire central region reviewing Qingge's case

Ling Qi,

It seems you have grown a great deal. I can easily recall the days when you had no eyes for anything outside your obsession of the day. It seems your Sect has done what I never could, or perhaps it was the time in between? I apologize if my words seem terse, but you did request that I be candid.

Biyu and I are well, I did not lie, your gifts are enough for us to live in comfort, and even allow the occasional luxury. However, things are rarely so simple in Tonghou. I suppose you can imagine that I did not come to my position of my own will. I would not burden you with the details in a letter, but suffice to say that your old mother has few friends.

My previous occupation was the only one which would accept me, despite, if I may be so prideful as to say, my at least passable skills in some fields. That is an old complaint though, and not one which bears revisiting. It relates however to current troubles. A number of creditors have begun to darken my doorstep of late, speaking of debts unpaid. While I will not say that I never borrowed, I am quite certain that it was never so much.

You recall my efforts to teach you your numbers I am sure, perhaps less than fondly. I am not so lax as to make so many errors. I… still hesitate to say this, as perhaps some small pride remains to me, but it would be somewhat helpful if the Ministry of Law could be made to bear an interest in a poor old woman, if only for a short time.
"It is an understandable trouble for a novice," the heiress replied as they moved toward the entrance. "I will send this on the morrow, with my recommendation attached, if you would like, I will review any response with you when it arrives."
Ling Qi, I trust that you do not speak in jest. I… have trouble accepting your words, even knowing this. Yet I cannot deny that recent events have shown that you are able to call on resources unimaginable to me.

When a an elderly gentleman arrived at my doorstep, wearing the uniform of an arbitrator, I felt some hope I admit. He was very kind and patient, reviewing my case with utmost care, yet still I worried that it would not be enough.

Then those loathsome men arrived, and upon a word from my elderly guest hurled themselves to the floor in kowtow. I… was somewhat nonplussed. While I do not profess to fully understand the conversation that transpired then, but I understood the title they referred to him by. What in the world did you do to bring the Senior Judge-Magistrate for the entire central region to the outermost district of Tonghou?

I feel that we need to speak to one another face to face, so I will accept the invitation. While I would never consider leaving the city in a normal situation… I have no further doubts about the safety of any transport.

It will be good to see you again. Ink and paper is well and good, but seeing my daughter's face once again will do my heart well, I think.

Ling Qingge

I don't think the Liu are aware of the specifics, but that after a flex like that the Liu probably know that something weird has happened to drastically improve Qingge's lot in life
And if they spent some resources poking around then they might have the general outline (daughter is a cultivator and the direct vassal of Cai Renxiang)


Qingge might not be interested.
Ling Qi on the other hand...
Ling Qi isn't much for grudges
She's consistently not cared about holding grudges against people because she largely sees it as pointless
It's why she didn't care about Huang Da or his fiance, or Fan Yu, or Kang Zihao, or Chu Song
Meizhen had to convince her to care more about Yan Renshu

Ling Qi isn't really the type that holds onto resentment, her "revenge" tends to be progressing to the point where she's so far above her former enemies that she just forgets about them entirely

She cares a lot about active threats mind, but the Liu have no ability to threaten her or her family currently
 
I'm so, so glad we didn't abandon the family storyline. They say living well is the best revenge, but this isn't just about revenge. If the Liu were willing to go so far, then I fear what other things they're subjecting other people too at this moment.

One of the nightmare scenarios that went through my head while reading this quest was what could have happened if Ling Qi did not, or took longer to contact her mother for whatever reason.

...I never even thought of that possibility.
If it does turn out that Qi's dad didn't abandon her mom, but that the Liu killed him instead? Then blood feud is the only option, period.

I mean, it for sure wasn't a certainty and I might have misinterpreted the few replies I just read while going back to the Qimom interactions, but I think even in the previous thread it was already a possibility. It isn't always cultivation tragedy all the way down though. With no evidence either way, Ling Qi's father might just have abandoned Qingge and even still be alive. From what I understand it's only a valid, but unsubstantiated suspicion.
 
Fundamentally, I think the Ling Qi needs to utterly destroy only one person to get revenge here. The man who wanted her mother as his concubine.

The rest of the family can and should be punished for aiding him, but their actions line them up for that sufficiently under the fair and just rule of Cai Renxiang. That guy, however, demands a personal touch. Not that we need to do anything illegal to make that happen, mind you. But the personal investment of effort seems warranted in his case.
 
Uh-oh!! Diao... well, thanks a lot for answering my question!

We'll wind up sufficiently friendly with the Diao to take care of this soon enough. We'll probably never be friends, but we're going to be helping them with their fox problem and this is a very minor matter in comparison, a drop in the bucket towards them paying back that little favor, on top of which our contact among them is an actual law enforcement professional...it's well within her remit to come down on the Liu like the fist of an angry god in her professional capacity personally.
 
We'll wind up sufficiently friendly with the Diao to take care of this soon enough. We'll probably never be friends, but we're going to be helping them with their fox problem and this is a very minor matter in comparison, a drop in the bucket towards them paying back that little favor, on top of which our contact among them is an actual law enforcement professional...it's well within her remit to come down on the Liu like the fist of an angry god in her professional capacity personally.
A Viscount is a substantial portion of a Count's power, it would absolutely be beyond her remit unless they struck first.

Because nothing the Liu did was illegal.
 
A Viscount is a substantial portion of a Count's power, it would absolutely be beyond her remit unless they struck first.

Because nothing the Liu did was illegal.
Well the stuff implied from from the exorcist of tonghou definitely was at the very least. That city is pretty corrupt when corruption is majorly out of vogue. Any attention from Shenhua would have a lot of heads get put on pikes :V
 
A Viscount is a substantial portion of a Count's power, it would absolutely be beyond her remit unless they struck first.

Because nothing the Liu did was illegal.

Wasn't it? The magistrate that Cai Renxiang sent in seemed to think it was highly illegal indeed. As does our understanding of Imperial Law. And then, of course, if they did this because one minor scion was personally offended I highly doubt it was their only such transgression (to say nothing of the exorcist story mentioned). If a serious investigator starts investigating them they are in trouble.

The Liu are corrupt as hell and Cai Shenhua does not abide corruption nor do her enforcers. The Liu are hanging on at the moment because they haven't been focused on, but they are a vestige of Hui policy and that means them being wrecked by the new order is inevitable. Doing so earlier than planned as a favor to us is very much on the table.
 
Well the stuff implied from from the exorcist of tonghou definitely was at the very least. That city is pretty corrupt when corruption is majorly out of vogue. Any attention from Shenhua would have a lot of heads get put on pikes :V
Shenhua came to Tonghou, inspected the Liu and they are still here. I'm with veekie on this one, unless they strike at LQ first we have no real basis to move against them in any capacity.
 
Shenhua came to Tonghou, inspected the Liu and they are still here. I'm with veekie on this one, unless they strike at LQ first we have no real basis to move against them in any capacity.

There's a difference between moving against them personally and siccing the authorities on them. We can't get away with the first, we probably can get away with the second in the not-too-distant future. Not right now, but once the Diao actually owe us a favor it's doable.
 
Dude, siccing the authorities on someone IS an attack on them. Renxiang could, but it'd cost her. The Diao would be pissed because its their turf.
 
Dude, siccing the authorities on someone IS an attack on them. Renxiang could, but it'd cost her. The Diao would be pissed because its their turf.

Right, which is why it needs to be the Diao doing it, to repay the favor they owe us. Which was the whole point I was making. The Diao are the authorities, so if we convince them to come down on them, it's no longer between us and the Liu, and the Liu are very screwed if the Diao and the Ministry of Law actually start investigating them.
 
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Shenhua came to Tonghou, inspected the Liu and they are still here. I'm with veekie on this one, unless they strike at LQ first we have no real basis to move against them in any capacity.
I mean not in the last two decades? Did you read the exorcist of tonghou side story? They were seemingly supporting human sacrifices and a corpse immortal. That shit would get the Ministry of Integrity to come down on you with the force of a thousand suns.

If Shenhua or the MoI knew what was going on they probably wouldn't survive in the form they are. Qi doesn't know about this ofc, but I could definitely see some point in the future (maybe at cyan) where Renxiang and friends are sent to audit the city and bring some ugly things to light.
 
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There's a difference between moving against them personally and siccing the authorities on them. We can't get away with the first, we probably can get away with the second in the not-too-distant future. Not right now, but once the Diao actually owe us a favor it's doable.
Starting a politcal pissing match with a Viscount family over backstory grief is so cliche Xiaxia, I hope the thread never goes for it.
 
Starting a politcal pissing match with a Viscount family over backstory grief is so cliche Xiaxia, I hope the thread never goes for it.

I mean, it's not entirely that. They're on Cai Renxiang and indeed Cai Shenhua's chopping block already based on their actions, and we need to root out corruption somewhere anyway at some point for a host of reasons involving Renxiang's legitimacy. Making it the Liu is no more enemy-making than a lot of the other options for that purpose.
 
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With no evidence either way, Ling Qi's father might just have abandoned Qingge and even still be alive.
There's even an in-between option, where he wasn't killed, but someone very intimidating had a "friendly chat" with him about exactly what would happen if he tried to take Qingge with him when he left.
 
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