No, actually, since there is a limited amount of resources a cultivator can take in a given time withoutcspiritually overloading. For example, at her current level LQ can't use more than 8 GSS and 16 YSS, even if we had all spirit stones in the world. So it is more dependent on talent than resiurces, though resources are extremely important. Green is still acheivable to many, as you have long time to achieve it, but for common cultivators it can take decades, and some will never make it, like someone 1.5 talent
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Yes, actually, because you can spend the surplus beyond your capacity for elixirs or talismans or sites that improve your cultivation in some way. Breakthrough elixirs exist, as do qi improving medicines, or pills that make cultivating arts faster to master. Hell, we've seen in the quest that good quality medicine can completely replace an aspect of cultivation because Ling Qi spent next to no time specifically expanding her qi pool but got lucky in that several early medicines she found were capable of putting a ton of dice towards expanding her qi, which ended up paying dividends once she put in the work to build a strong foundation in late red.
Yes there's still a limit, but early on that limit is high enough, and medicines of high enough quality have been shown to exist, that the path to green 1 should be inevitable assuming sufficient resources.
And that "assuming sufficient resources" is kind of the hook I'm hanging my argument on, because I feel we've lost the thread in this back and forth: I'm arguing that there isn't sufficient resources for everyone to cultivate, and I'm using the relative ease of reaching green to prove that, because there is clearly sufficient infrastructure and institutional knowledge in existence that if there was enough resources for everyone to reach Green 1 the demographics would trend towards everyone being Green 1, and that's not what we see.
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- Earth
Those pills were called out by an elder that Meizhen would've counted herself lucky to get one of those.
Aka ducal level resources.
It's not something just anyone can afford.
It isn't even something Ling Qi could've afforded if we hadn't been so lucky.
We likely can't even afford them now.
Also I am very uncomfortable with pushing Qingge to endure the pain of failed breakthroughs again and again. Should she choose that on her own. Fine. But let's not push her to it.
There's some overlap between our PLR phantasms, Domain's shadowy beasts, and our constructs, and illusion. These things aren't "real" as much as they're figments of our imagination even though they can interact with the world. They're something false pretending to be real and that can be considered to be or is at least adjacent to illusion. Same with our Music and indeed all higher cultivation. We're taking the conceptual and making it reality, which is the basics of illusion only far beyond parlor tricks.
Also, I actually imagine we could be invited to play in the capital one day. We're cultivating a very unique form of Endings which the Mu clan and their sycophants might appreciate, our philosophy for Endings probably being fairly close to the Empress' so we could probably get some attention if we compose a song about it or if CRX wants us to play for a Mu representative. In the capital we'd be the mysterious Lady Ling, a Dreaming Moon musician playing a primal song of Endings in a daring departure from the traditional Mu fashion, inspired by the exotic barbarians of the far south (which is okay because it's considered cultural appropriation).
It'd be the perfect mix between socially acceptable and tantalizingly scandalous. A retainer of a Ducal Heir and daughter of a common prostitute, someone both supporters and detractors of the Mu and imperial tradition consider controversial yet desirable, the duality of our political stance meaning everyone comes to listen and then goes to debate. Taking the capital by storm all the while completely apathetic to the havoc she's unleashed on high society, which just makes her even more of an unreachable celebrity as the exasperated CRX once again gets a shocking amount of influence completely by accident.
in FOD, early on, Ling Qi took too much pills, including the qi expanding ones, and was overwhelmed. There is also a limit for the pills you can take. We simply never took enough pills to hit it again
No, explicitly thats Ling Qi simply being too new to the process of using cultivation drugs that she was overwhelmed by her spiritual senses being opened up like that. Once she adapted it never happened again despite taking by far more potent drugs for her tier, that first fugue involved very very few drugs in fact.
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- United Kingdom
It's likely you can overdose on pills or drugs (especially considering stuff like beast cores are poisonous for mortals to eat), but as veekie said that was just a case of Ling Qi not having adjusted to having that many drugs at once.
IIRC as a G4/B3 Ling Qi can use the equivalent of 16GSS and 8YSS a month, though 12 of the former are covered by Songseeker Ceremony and the Greater Argent Vent.
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- Greece
Yeah, actually, that is one of the WoGs I had in mind, I just took the"as things are" to mean something like "they have talent of 1.1" (technically possible, practically impossible as things are) rather than being completely unable to cultivate.
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I doubt it would be a problem if we were 4th realm, but we aren't and our domain still isn't solid yet. In the 4th realm we should be a "Law" unto ourselves.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
Which means sending them on the "crafter" path makes even more sense as they would be able to finance their own progression.
At least without turning to "murder hobbing" that fighter oriented cultivators would be tempted in. Or soldering, which we would need to pay them for.
Diao linqin 'stealthily' steals the ones Shenhua has already read to burn them in the courtyard... after reading them herself "just to make sure she is burning the right deviant filth".
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fictionfan
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Soldiers actually pay for it themselves fairly well in this world. Lots of wilderness everywhere full of spirits that are made of valuable loot.
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- CA
Nah, part of her Domain seems to be covetous affection, so I'm pretty sure she uses her Domain to change all the non-Shenhua characters in the erotic scenes to herself.
(Even the ones with multiple people. Higher Domain cultivators have clones, after all.)
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- The Temple of the Winds
I would find it amusing if Ling Qi were to stay a Baron we'll beyond what would be expected. Eventually Ling Qi would be known as The Baron(ness) rather than A Baron(ness).
Something like a mesh of multiple reasons such as the conservative factions being opposed to the quick promotion of a noname commoner, CRX twisting the previous' noses by keeping Ling Qi at that low rank while still giving her her trust and authority hence forcing them to often finding themselves having to obey "Baron" Ling Qi even if they have a higher rank, keeping Ling Qi free(er) from "foreign" political obligations, keeping Ling Qi from a the management aspects of a bigger estate and hence with more free time to do her biddings, and probably an other handful of perfectly valid reasons...
- Location
- Finland
Could be entertaining.
Only real problem is that it would involve denying Ling Qi her earned reward, the power and prestige she has worked on, and leaves her more reliant on CRX for her authority. With rank comes priviledge and responsibility (though the later is often ignored), and leaving Ling Qi a baroness would be denying her the former while saddling her with lot of the later.
Not saying it would not work, if written well it could be really entertaining to read, and it's not like Ling Qi is after titles for their own sake so she might not actually care.
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I could see it actually being Ling Qi's idea, with CRX arguing about it because of propriety and rules and stuff.
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Sorry, no.
One, schedule can't account for a breakthrough. If we're talking realistically, then commoners don't have breakthrough-easing medicine, making their breakthrough threshold 30 and 20 for yellow and green respectively. And every time they fail, it's another couple of years to regain lost progress.
Two, pain is a big deal. Even without injuries (which is not how it always happens as it depends on the severity of a backlash) being subjected to something that can be described as a self-torture session is no small matter and would be an overwhelming deterrent for many. I know I likely couldn't keep trying after several failed attempts. I think most people wouldn't be able to do it - irl a lot of people can't make themselves work out regurlarly and that's much easier.
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We're going with CRX to found a couple fiefs for her to administer and us to make our own. The point of that is so that CRX can get experience governing much like the simulated governing of baronies she's doing now. Renxiang's purpose is to learn to build and shape the Emerald Seas after Shenhua broke the old order. And the best way to do this is to give her some land and a few decades to establish a local government from the ground up, and then leave it to run autonomously with minimal interference from the Cai. Only then is she ready to reshape already existing systems with established clans.
So if we settle in a Viscounty sized plot of land by the time we reach Indigo we might be left with all of it. Already established bureaucratic and governmental systems, created with our input over the years, by then made to be maintained in the long term by Ling Qi. The Wang are low on Viscounts so they'd accept us either under them or the Cai, which is also why CRX already is preparing for this by having her most talented retainer befriend Wang Chao for the friendly relations which the Sect is for.
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- Greece
Not only that, but do not forget that the Sect is unique in that, even though it is an area with several high level spirits, many more than the average area has, the spirits there are subdued or contracted to be more peaceful than the norm.
If you, as a noble, want to produce ANYTHING useful, you need to have soldiers protecting your money making resources from irritations that are too far beneath you (you can't be everywhere, after all) but harmful to your bottom line. Some of the largest clans may be able to do this with only clan members (largest relative to their holdings, a baron clan large enough to not need soldiers is magnitudes smaller than a count or viscount clan, and for Dukes and Marquises it is downright unfeasible even if you are an ethnicity) but most would need soldiers to protect their money from spirits. Doubly so if they are near the border, where barbarian raids are also an issue (thus why I said Marquises are unfeasible).
Remember, you need soldiers if you want to have even a somewhat functioning old library.
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Well, my mistake then. I still think, based on all things we saw so far, that you can never take as many pills as you want, we probably simply never had that much pills
There is a reason LQ pill spending is capped at verh high. Even with more money, she could not take more. There are still cultivation arts, but thats not eniugh and the progress you get even from the best cultivation arts are kimited by their potency
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Yeah while our cultivation somewhat limited by pill amount and current arts hopefully when we get our next rank up we can find decent Site to purchase even if its only for 10-12 months a good site may go along way but im guessing they be more specialized for different Qi types.
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Sincere Negotiator is a very useful skill.
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- Brazil
So, are we going to pay Soldier Girl for half the worth of the ring?
Because the Lootening would be glorious if we had a magic warehouse in our pocket. It even has a secret passageway hidden inside a painting!
It's to cool to give away.
Because the Lootening would be glorious if we had a magic warehouse in our pocket. It even has a secret passageway hidden inside a painting!
It's to cool to give away.
What we're doing right now is just cataloguing the most obvious contents. This is the personal library of a Ducal Dreaming/Hidden Moon cultivator. He put a moon gala painting that you have to "get" to access a secret passage. What if there's a collection of books but one is by a writer who stands out and you have to be knowledgeable enough to realize that to get at the secret within.
You have to look at the Xiangmen tapestry and realize the wrong detail, or know the forest in the slat painting. The painting of the Duke makes people think it's rotted away but there's really something hidden within. You have to know some ancient secret of the elk statue or whatever was in those books. This is like Xuan Shi's romance books who contained hidden messages which led him to travel across the entire empire.
I imagine delving into the library could become an Explore action where we roll to get everything from pills, formations, Arts and talismans to quests and Hui secrets. Yrs did say he was revamping the Explore system.
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- somewhere over there.
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...Where are you getting the idea that these are anything more than they appear? The vote was to look for interesting and important works of art; these pieces are far more likely to just be well-written or painted or woven. The secret here was in the painting of the moon-revel.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
The art pieces in here should be worth quite a bit. It will take some discussion but I am pretty sure everyone will walk away from this happy and richer.