Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Sirrocco
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Yeah... it's kind of hard to parse the difference between "C Rank damage reduction" and "reduce the damage by one rank".
That said... Honestly, I think Ling Qi would have reason to cherish an art that preserved the lives of her allies in the long term as well. It's not necessarily going to win as many fights, but it will absolutely have more of your friends surviving afterwards.
That said... Honestly, I think Ling Qi would have reason to cherish an art that preserved the lives of her allies in the long term as well. It's not necessarily going to win as many fights, but it will absolutely have more of your friends surviving afterwards.
Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
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I don't know about the beats or whatever, but we only just started fighting the Shishigui last update. It makes sense to me that a g7 would be a seriously dangerous opponent, even with our allies and support.
And we knew something big was about to happen with the battle as a whole.
I'm not sure the Mirror is much of a defense, though. A counter-attack, sure, but a single rank down to incoming spiritual damage (nothing to physical) after all other defenses have been applied? How much is that actually worth?
Also, how widely does the counter actually apply? Technique's instant, so is it only attacks that are part of a single flurry getting punished?
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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Yeah, there is definitely the feeling that Ling Qi suddenly began to get hurt and get much lower on Qi only after allies arrive. I agree that "one woman against many" scene is awesome, but given the setting is about being in a group actually is an advantage I think the conservation of ninjutsu in this update was a bit much.
Mechanically, it seems like Enlightnement's Unbreaking Mirror works better with peer allies as the defensive aspect to our allies only works if they are almost good enough by themselves. The thorn also seems to be geared toward peer allies, too. Thousand Year Impenetrable Mist, however, scale less high in pure damage reduction but there is reliability in flat damage reduction, and the "don't die" works no matter their strength.
Themewise, I am not sure I like having a "Truth" in our domain, especially a searing their senses one. OTOH, a pure mist aesthetics is... nice.
EDIT: wait, it seems I am having a brainfart re: the effect of C rank damage reduction and -1 rank when it comes to weaker allies, though S -> A rank damage still kills weaker allies with first tech, while S -C =A+ but they survive with 1HP at least doesn't kill them.
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Sirrocco
Pedantic
The stat debuff is only for attacks against Ling Qi personally, and it looks like it's only for attacks that hit while she's activating.
EUM is a lot better for Ling Qi herself wanting to win fights. It will absolutely help Ling Qi win some fights. It's mostly a tanking art. TYIM instead is all about keeping your allies alive. Either one would be useful here, but they do almost entirely different things.
Enlightenment's Unbreaking Mirror reducing a rank after Black Mirror means an S rank attack becomes B rank which seems pretty good.
On the other hand you got me there
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
To a point.
It's great to make sure your people survive the boom, but it gives no special ability to endure what comes after the boom. And if this guy decides to stick around... Well, this hasn't cost him anything he didn't already lose.
The damage is quite a bit greater with the Mirror in the sense that the lesser disciples in our group who don't have panic defense buttons are likely to die even with the buffstack.
That being said... Hrm, I'll admit that I don't want to be the kind of character who weighs all of the losses and deems them acceptable. More importantly, with only one arm left, his escape plan is probably going to involve grabbing Bardbarian and booking it. With only one arm left (And the other likely annihilated similar to what happened to Moon Senpai--if he can just regrow or graft a new arm off and suffer no penalties, it wasn't really a sacrifice now was it?) I don't see him doing more than one thing, and he seems to consider Bardbarian's survival to be a high priority.
It's Argent Mirror's Tranquil Rebuke blended in with elements of Thousand Roots Unmoving. We're not inventing something new here, we're just getting payoff for what we already had.
It's great to make sure your people survive the boom, but it gives no special ability to endure what comes after the boom. And if this guy decides to stick around... Well, this hasn't cost him anything he didn't already lose.
The damage is quite a bit greater with the Mirror in the sense that the lesser disciples in our group who don't have panic defense buttons are likely to die even with the buffstack.
That being said... Hrm, I'll admit that I don't want to be the kind of character who weighs all of the losses and deems them acceptable. More importantly, with only one arm left, his escape plan is probably going to involve grabbing Bardbarian and booking it. With only one arm left (And the other likely annihilated similar to what happened to Moon Senpai--if he can just regrow or graft a new arm off and suffer no penalties, it wasn't really a sacrifice now was it?) I don't see him doing more than one thing, and he seems to consider Bardbarian's survival to be a high priority.
It's Argent Mirror's Tranquil Rebuke blended in with elements of Thousand Roots Unmoving. We're not inventing something new here, we're just getting payoff for what we already had.
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Sirrocco
Pedantic
Basically, someone makes an attack, and we throw the defense. On that attack, the damage debuff applies, and if the attack includes a hit on Lin Qi, the other debuffs kick in.
deadcrystal
Slaaneshi Cultist
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Both techs have a very nice defensive boost to a team (I'll leave it to people who actually understand the system to say which one works better under which circumstance)
The second part of the techs reveal the most important feature though, which is to say, what style of anime scene they are.
Unbreaking Mirror is dramatically blocking the attack (Complete with 'Nani!?! Impossible!), blinding the opponent, and then the opponent getting a snazzy and flashy series of attacks in sequence from the whole team after which they collapse and the whole team poses.
Thousand Year Mists is to show off how strong the end boss is with some overpowering offence that's more dramatic than it needs to be, but the team all survives (saying they're all on the brink of death but only showing scuff marks) and then they either escape or the enemy is driven off by a mentor figure before they spend the next 20 episodes slowly preparing for the rematch.
The second part of the techs reveal the most important feature though, which is to say, what style of anime scene they are.
Unbreaking Mirror is dramatically blocking the attack (Complete with 'Nani!?! Impossible!), blinding the opponent, and then the opponent getting a snazzy and flashy series of attacks in sequence from the whole team after which they collapse and the whole team poses.
Thousand Year Mists is to show off how strong the end boss is with some overpowering offence that's more dramatic than it needs to be, but the team all survives (saying they're all on the brink of death but only showing scuff marks) and then they either escape or the enemy is driven off by a mentor figure before they spend the next 20 episodes slowly preparing for the rematch.
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I like EUM, but Thousand Year will guarantee everyone survives unless his technique has a "fuck you no you die anyway" clause at higher potency.
Except the Mirror can apply to multiple enemies attacking Ling Qi. If it's applied to only a single attack, it'd have to be a cooperative technique or something for that to matter.
... Given that the punishment doesn't apply to people attacking our allies, and it looks like the rank-down might apply to any allied spiritual attacks going on when we used the technique, I don't think I'm terribly fond of it.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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This attack is S+ rank. It will be reduced by one rank by Black Mirror, further impeded by other defenses and armor, and then Enlightenment's Unbreakable Mirror would reduce it one further rank. Call it reducing it from S+ rank to around C rank or B rank. Bad but the important people will plausibly survive. Other disciples will die though.
With Thousand Years Impenetrable Mist its a case of after the Black Mirror Rank reduction, impediments from other defenses and armor, we gain C rank damage reduction which reduces the damage and a save for everyone. On the face of it I think TYIM does more to protect people in terms of raw damage getting through and I don't think the one rank Debuff to Perception, Hit and Dodge are actually all that worth it.
Boyo's gonna be booking it to grab bardbarian or the star stone most likely.
Sirrocco
Pedantic
Mostly, the cultivators who get saved by the power get a chance to employ their evac abilities and/or panicbuttons. They won't necessarily contribute much to the fight going forward, but the enemy doesn't really have the resources to go hunting after enemies who aren't trying to kill him. Also, I imagine that ZhenGui can fire off an Ashfield Flowering, and various others can toss down their own area-effect heal. TYIM combos really well with Ashfield Flowering.
Wait a minute is the reason the shishigui sacrifice techniques so deadly is they have a meld that contains a few droplets of whatever their equivalent of Shen is? Because unlike the paired Domain effect that allows LQ to negate an effect that would reduce a 5-6 Bond to HP zero Thousand Year has no such caveat.
Heh if this is actually the case Ling Qi truly does learn better under pressure like CRX said.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
It'll be the Bard, his movements have been pretty clearly bailing him out, while the starstone isn't of enormous value to them. If he can only get one, it'll be the Bard.
And I don't think he'll be in such a good position after this to be able to just take everything, so he has to weigh between maintaining whatever alliance they have going on, and spiting us.
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Now she has a neck wound just like Big Sister!
Precious has been putting some work this whole fight and I for one could not be prouder. Zhengui is the MVP of our team!
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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I didn't say we invented something new, I said I didn't like it being in Ling Qi's domain
. Also, it's more Black Mirror than ... what is thousand roots unmoving? I can't recall such a tech.To get into bigger detail, the -1 rank of Enlightment is better against very high hit that do at least A rank damage once they are through every other defences. If the hit does B rank damage once it's through every other defences, B-C =C, so it's -1 rank with Impenetrable Mist. And obviously, under B rank damage after everything else it's even better.
So, the C rank damage reduction is better the more our allies are able to reduce the damage themselves compared to -1 rank, which -1 rank has more influences the less they are able to reduce the damage. The obvious problem here is that the sweet spot of "it's better when the damage that goes through is really high but not high enough to kill" is, huh, dangerous.
Obviously though, Enlightement has a thorn, I just am unsure I like the thorn there.
Also if we're looking for more social capital then TYIM much more obviously saves people's lives
Mirror otoh is just another defensive buff.
I don't think we should be considering a Domain Tech in the term of "what is better for rewards in this one mission". Like, that is bad. Bad Erebeal.
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Let's see what we get here
Summary: In situations like this against one boss-like enemy Mirror looks better, because it gives as counter attack chance, I'm not sure if all allies will survive though.
Generally Mist looks better, it's useful in wider variety of situations and more manageable in terms of Qi and time efficiency, it's also a guaranty that right now everyone will survive.
Guess I would vote for Mist.
[] Enlightenment's Unbreaking Mirror: B
This Tech seems more useful against stronger or peer level enemies. It works after all other measures failed to stop attack, reducing it damage by one rank. It's not something you would use against a lot of weak attacks, or poisons, but in a fight against stronger opponent it's counter-attack properties could give you fight or flight bonus. Note that counter-debuff works only if user is attacked.
C rank spiritual damage reduction wouldn't save against S rank attack, but it can be useful in chaotic fight against multiple enemies and spiritual DOT's. Also 1hp save can be useful even against attacks wich would nope Unbreaking Mirror by pure might (SS damage and higher). All effects works on every ally in a mist wich is plus. All effects also works for a short time wich is good for our Qi and time management in battle.
Summary: In situations like this against one boss-like enemy Mirror looks better, because it gives as counter attack chance, I'm not sure if all allies will survive though.
Generally Mist looks better, it's useful in wider variety of situations and more manageable in terms of Qi and time efficiency, it's also a guaranty that right now everyone will survive.
Guess I would vote for Mist.
[] Enlightenment's Unbreaking Mirror: B
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Yeah that's a pretty fair assessment and I agree he'd probably go for Bardmans over anything else.
The green ones and twos? They're probably toast, but the important named people are plausibly strong enough to survive. But frankly this is a sort of move one uses when one is done fighting and just wants to get out so a Perception/Hit/Dodge debuff is mainly useful for trying to kill the G7 Shishigui before he escapes, at the expense of some folks on our side.
It's our domain, it absolutely applies to us.
Varder
Tired Cultist
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- Hell
I like mirror more. I actively dislike turning Ling Qi into a tank. I like the control theme more and I think it's more useful.
It's also debata if shishigui is really trying to escape. His attack was not a desperation move rather he made use of an already sustained injury. He may bail out or he may try to finish us off, I think it'll depend on this attack.
It's also debata if shishigui is really trying to escape. His attack was not a desperation move rather he made use of an already sustained injury. He may bail out or he may try to finish us off, I think it'll depend on this attack.
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But do we want to win like this?