I like this movie, but it seems to me that the work of individual agents should be left for Phase 2 or a TV series. The detective story in the 12-24 episodes of the confrontation between the Teacher and the Student will open better, and their "down-to-earth" style will be budget enough so that the series does not go bankrupt.
I would think that the film is slightly redundant without explicit superheroes and all that. This story is more intimate, so I would think about other forms of presentation of this. I'm looking more at OTL Daredevil here, which is not bad, for a fairly cheap series, I coped with it.
I'd rather not make it a tv series. I just don't think there's enough meat in the Swordsman-Hawkeye confrontation to make it fun if it gets dragged out. It just feels strenuous to me.
I also think that the movie is fine since it does technically have an explicit superhero (in the marketing at least) in Hawkeye and a supervillain (in Swordsman). I'm not quite sure what your critique is here. Just because it's a spy movie doesn't mean it's not also a superhero movie.
On a cold December day on the streets of 1930s New York City
Pearl Harbor happened in 1941 so unless you want a ten year time jump you need to have this be 1940's New York City. not a big deal but just something to be aware of.
cussing out a random citizen for casting out slurs after kicking out prospective patrons ("This is a respectable neighborhood, I want none of you jays and ******* anywhere near my shop." "Sir, you-" "Especially you, ya mick. Probably gonna call one of your cop buddies to cover for ya, while robbing me blind." "Man, fuck off."),
Yeah um no. This needs reworking. Not that there's something wrong with showing that people were racist in the 40s and having our hero be against it but going as extreme as to drop explicit slurs in the movie seems like it'll drive the rating way up unnecessarily. I understand that the ratings system for movies is kind of bullshit but I think we need to be a bit more subtle in how we present this stuff unless we want to unnecessarily be stuck with an R-rated Captain America film for his debut.
What's Steve looking at? I think it's easier to just say "a sense of horror envelops Steve" or something like that to just clean up the descriptor here. It's a minor thing but it is weird to have Steve's sense of horror be tied to something visual when he's hearing a radio that's entirely audio.
he volunteers for the Airborne; before he leaves, he shakes Peggy's hand and thanks her for her support and "See you over there." and immediately transition to DDay, and Steve doing his absolute best to protect the men under his charge [additionally, Bucky Barnes was assigned to his command].
Yeah this seems like too much to me. Not only is D-Day three years after Pearl Harbor inherently needing a huge time jump but you've got a huge unexplained leap where suddenly Captain America goes from a showpiece to in charge of a squad with zero explanation. I think you need to elaborate on this section.
Upon arrival, he encounters a few examples of HYDRA's attempts at creating the Super Soldier Serum, chief among them Red Skull, having caught him off-guard with their unexpected attack;
I'm not a huge fan of setting up Red Skull only at the second act of the movie. People have no idea who he is so I think we need to introduce or at the very least foreshadow him a bit more. Maybe include him in the Erksine stuff.
While most of the prior subjects of Project Nietzsche [Project Rebirth's predecessor] are rather mindless or otherwise volatile as the result of the imperfect serum, Red Skull remains mostly unaffected and is still mostly able to direct the others into a cohesive unit
Dumb question that's really easy to overlook but why does Red Skull have a Red Skull for a face in this version of the story? It's a question the audience will ask due to not knowing the character already. If it's from the serum, are all the other subjects individuals with red skull faces? I think this needs to be explained.
Lastly this is a minor nitpick but I'd rather not have the Project called "Project Nietzsche" and perpetuate the misunderstanding that Nietzsche was a Nazi or had any associations with the Nazi's. Call it "Project Ubermensch" or "Project Heidegger" (If you want to use an actual Nazi philosopher who actually came up with a lot of the ideas people falsely attribute to Nietzsche). It's a small thing but it irks me when people tie Nietzsche to a movement he had no involvement in and was actually opposed to (Nietzsche is a guy who wrote things like "I would have all anti-Semites shot" so it feels really scummy to twist him into an anti-Semitic figure and tie his name to that stuff).
Mourning his loss, and enraged by Red Skull's seeming survival, they continue their efforts to combat and eradicate the threat of HYDRA for the remainder of the war; they succeed, and Johann Schmidt the Red Skull is executed on order of the Hague alongside other Nazi leaders.
Again I cannot go for this. Not only is this an entire extended section of the movie after the climax that drags on without the protagonist but trying to show actual Nazi war trials as well as their execution in a film seems like it unnecessarily drives the rating up for no good reason save to pad out the plot.
I think you're better served just having the Red Skull "die" with Steve (in order to give Steve a win and to censor the killing off of the character a bit) and not drag out stuff more than necessary. You can keep the general conflict with HYDRA later I just think you need to town down the darkest elements which seem a little tastelessly thrown in there in my opinion for the sake of "accuracy".
- Had this idea that, among the various characters roaming around in the background, several of them are named in a way that hint at them being ancestors (or otherwise related), to future characters, either by their nametapes or by lines of dialogue.
-- ex.
Scuttlebutt Stacy,
Mario Castiglione,
Rock Murdoch,
Adam Carter,
Buck Banner,
Joseph Fury, etc.
-- Addendum:
Most of the above names have never been made official family members.
I'm against this. It seems just unnecessary and pointless and ties us down to stuff. I don't hate it but I'm not for it.
Captain America Rough Draft
I think this pitch needs a good deal of cleaning up and it needs to have the entire middle portion where Steve goes from a showpiece to a commander greatly expanded upon. I will say that it feels like a lot of the "historical" elements feel unnecessarily shoved in and in general they tend to be the weakest parts of the movie or the parts that are most problematic due to unnecessarily spiking the ratings.
Like this is a movie that's trying to drop the N-word, have an on-screen trial for Nazi war crimes and potentially an on-screen execution. It's a lot. I think it needs to be toned way down in places but it could work and I'm not opposed to it in principle even if I think it needs a good deal of workshopping.
That being said, if we decide not to do the infinity stones, I think using this movie as the basis of our Captain America is a good idea and while I do think it needs to be improved in a few areas I am in support of it as part of a viable alternative to building up a different big bad than Thanos.
Personally, I find Hawkeye's comic origins a lot more fun to make a movie out of, or even as a side plot to the Avengers movie.
I'd rather not have it as the side plot to the Avengers movie but I could see his comic book origins being fun to adapt. That being said I'd rather have Hawkeye be used to introduce SHIELD in the first phase and if it proves popular then make a prequel of how he came to work for SHIELD that would loosely adapt it.
I'm not opposed to it but I think you need a reason of "why Hawkeye over any other character?" and the ties to SHIELD are what I felt were best for his inclusion.
MCU Phase II: Secret Wars Rough Draft
This feels a little incomplete but it is a rough draft. I am for this movie or at least something along the lines of this movie being made.
That...actually works out better, but what to do with Carol? Can't just dump her to the side...SWORD liaison, working for the UN?
The Sword Liaison works. You could potentially do something like Avengers EMH (the cartoon) where she's first introduced as a liaison in the first movie and only in a later movie when more Kree stuff arrives on earth does she get powers. Granted you'd probably need to give her the name "Warbird" or something but it could work
Here is something I want to ask about:
I remember someone wanted to have Black Panther in Phase I and be part of The Avengers, right?
Okay, so because Bastet (or Bast) is considered the guardian deity of Wakanda, what if we can perhaps have Thor mention to Black Panther in The Avengers that he personally met Bast several times, and then maybe have a later Thor movie that includes gods from other pantheons and have Bast be one to appear and assist Thor in whatever adventure he is in the middle of as gratitude for helping and fighting alongside Black Panther? Or vice versa, have Thor assist Bast and the Egyptian gods fight off Apep?
Or maybe what if we make a Black Panther movie that has him accidentally arrive at the home world of the Heliopians (Egyptian gods) and help Bast with something that's way over his pay grade, yet still become invaluable to its success, proving Bast's faith in him to protect Wakanda right? I know that these ideas will be rejected by all of you, but how much do the Egyptian gods appear in the comics?
I'm just throwing ideas out there.
That was me, I wanted Black Panther in phase 1.
That being said I'd rather not go for this idea. I prefer to cut down on the unnecessary crossover elements included before the audience is just primed to accept everything. I also don't really like the idea of gods as super space aliens, I think they wok better as magic. For those reasons I'm even more strongly opposed to a Black Panther movie in space when the focus for his debut should probably to some degree be on Wakanda.
I think Set/Seth sometimes shows up as a Thor villain in the comics and that's about it.
I'm glad you threw out these ideas but I don't think I could really go for any of them as is.
I feel that making the Egyptian gods aliens isn't exactly the best path we can take, but if are to take that approach may I suggest as making the Egyptians, Olympians and Asgardians as coming from the same planet/origin, being more akin to different ethnicities and playing up that aspect?
In addition, thoughts on the race of gods being ostensibly in charge of guarding the Soul Stone?
I'd rather not have "all gods come from the same place and they're all aliens". I don't hate it and I'd keep it on the table if we have to keep them as space aliens but I'd still rather not do it since it just requires a good deal of work to get people to make sense of (are Asgard and Olympus the same place in this?, how does that play into the location of say Svartalfheim in the greater mythological locations?). I don't hate it but I don't like it either.
I have no issue with them ostensibly being in charge of guarding the Soul Stone but I feel like that's a decision we're best off coming to once we decide that we both want the infinity stones (and thus almost certainly Thanos) and what we want from the gods in this setting. I will say that it does ask the question of why they're "in charge of" guarding the stone but that's a question that we can answer once we determine what gods are and what their place in the universe is.
Edit: I don't want gods as space aliens so I'm inherently not for the premise because I'd rather not be in the position where we're making the call in the first place.
