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There Was A Different Idea: An MCU Producer Quest

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Damn, Kevin giving us some stiff competition. Ever since he signed on with DC, they've regularly made upwards of $500 million in profit, compared to everyone else who are lucky if they break $300 million. I haven't run the numbers yet, but I think he's only $2 billion shy of beating us in total profits so far.
 
Sono said:
Boo! Now we can't use him! Pity, I really like his acting.



I actually liked the Constantine film. It might help that I'm not an expert on Constantine, so while I know that it's supposed to be a bad adaptation, I can enjoy it standalone. A mediocre film with some neat moments. Of course, the Producer being a big comics nerd wouldn't feel that way.



Oof, that's one hell of a cast. And more actors locked to us. Not too surprising it did well.



Can we still have him play Cage, the way Reynolds still got to play Deadpool? He's pretty suited visually.
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Can we not use DC actors in Marvel films? I mean, canonically, Idris Elba plays Heimdall and Bloodsport, and I think Bloodsport wasn't negatively impacted by the existence of Heimdall.
 
Drawdinator129 said:
Can we not use DC actors in Marvel films? I mean, canonically, Idris Elba plays Heimdall and Bloodsport, and I think Bloodsport wasn't negatively impacted by the existence of Heimdall.
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Heimdall died 3 years before Bloodsport came to the screens. That probably contributed to DC's choice to cast him if they knew or suspected there was no way he would return to the MCU.

Also Heimdall had a totally different hairstyle, eye contacts, costume, character, etc.
 
Nystical said:
What do you mean by "good odds of winning"

Like if he had 50/50 odds for a direct 1v1 against Thor that seems like "okay odds" not good odds. But he isn't alone, he has Kree special ops with him.

Against the Hulk he probably has ways to avoid a direct 1v1 fight, perhaps distracting or manipulating Hulk somehow.

Then Wonder Man is the next most difficult person for him to fight but he should wipe the floor with Simon due to his technology, experience, and discipline.
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Yeah this is what I meant. Yeah he has a decent chance of fighting any one Avenger 1v1 but he isn't gonna crush them. Any dude who can maybe take on the friggin Hulk while being fully intelligent is not someone to mess with.

He's a terrifying warrior from space leading an army, dude can throw down.

Also an idea to humanize him: give him some pride as a soldier and military man. He's a crazy law-obsessed bastard, but Ronan's also a leader and a man who's dedicated his life to the service of the empire. When he watches the Avengers decimate Kree soldiers, HIS Kree soldiers, have him feel rage. Want vengeance. He is waging war on some backwater called Earth and his men are dying in droves under his leadership. Make him hate the Avengers for that.

Then have him descend on the heroes of Earth with his Accusers, the best of the best and leagues above the common soldiers. Also batshit law fanatics. To avenge the fallen, and bring judgement upon the accused.
 
Gorgrath177 said:
Yeah this is what I meant. Yeah he has a decent chance of fighting any one Avenger 1v1 but he isn't gonna crush them. Any dude who can maybe take on the friggin Hulk while being fully intelligent is not someone to mess with.

He's a terrifying warrior from space leading an army, dude can throw down.

Also an idea to humanize him: give him some pride as a soldier and military man. He's a crazy law-obsessed bastard, but Ronan's also a leader and a man who's dedicated his life to the service of the empire. When he watches the Avengers decimate Kree soldiers, HIS Kree soldiers, have him feel rage. Want vengeance. He is waging war on some backwater called Earth and his men are dying in droves under his leadership. Make him hate the Avengers for that.

Then have him descend on the heroes of Earth with his Accusers, the best of the best and leagues above the common soldiers. Also batshit law fanatics. To avenge the fallen, and bring judgement upon the accused.
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That might jive against him returning back to Kree space before the portal closes though. And if he doesn't get back through the portal he would probably die.

I think he could still be characterized like that, what you describe could be what he wants to do, but he has orders from his superiors (deploy the parasite and return to Kree space) that he puts before his desires.

Then he holds a grudge against Earth / The Avengers for the rest of his days because they caused him to have to violate his honor, setting the stage for his reappearance later in the MCU.

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I think him having conflicted feelings adds more depth to the character rather than being all or nothing one way or the other, making him a stronger character to be re-used eventually.
 
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Starring: Mads Mikkelsen, Don Cheadle, Peter Dinklage, Andrew Garfield, Vanessa Hudgens and Jennifer Lawrence.
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That is a CAST, wow, ouch, and its an April 1st movie? Rude, this isn't a joke at all. I really wanted to get most of these actors in our sphere, not likely anymore unless any of their characters died.
 
While not connected to the current discussion, one character that I believe could truly shine this time is Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel...while avoiding everything Disney did wrong with her believing themselves owners of the "truth".

First of all, I can still see her as the best match-up from the Avengers against Thanos. And this could be explained if she gets her powers from more than One Infinity Stone. Like 2 or 3. That would explain better her "OP-ness".
But this time, there are secondary effects by using her powers:

I thought two possibilites that could work on their own or together.

Whenever she activates her power, it feels like "inserting a hot iron rod into her spine". That means she would be forced to grow from that pain, not being capable of using her true might without suffering too much pain each time.
And/or her "power output" can be adjusted depending of her needs, like the Kaio-ken from Dragon Ball Z for those familiar with it, which effects include:

"It is a technique that multiplies the user's ki for a "heartbeat" - thus increasing their power and speed and enabling them to inflict serious damage to opponents who are considerably stronger than them. However, the downside of the Kaio-ken is that it takes a heavy toll on the user's body, making them more vulnerable to enemy attacks."

"There is no change to the user's physique, but the enormous stress of the technique can result in increased blood pressure, popping out veins and swelling the user's muscle mass. The technique can also generate large amounts of heat from the user's body whilst being activated, creating steam rising from their body."

In overall, Carol gets to be one of the most powerful characters in the MCU, capable of going toe-to-toe against Thanos with his Gauntlet (even if only temporality and briefly) with at the cost of extreme pain every time her power is used and/for her body gets damaged by the strain.

PS: Oh and certainly let's avoid introducing her in a prequel/before the current movie events. We don't have that MASSIVE PLOTHOLE again...
 
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Nystical said:
That might jive against him returning back to Kree space before the portal closes though. And if he doesn't get back through the portal he would probably die.

I think he could still be characterized like that, what you describe could be what he wants to do, but he has orders from his superiors (deploy the parasite and return to Kree space) that he puts before his desires.

Then he holds a grudge against Earth / The Avengers for the rest of his days because they caused him to have to violate his honor, setting the stage for his reappearance later in the MCU.

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I think him having conflicted feelings adds more depth to the character rather than being all or nothing one way or the other, making him a stronger character to be re-used eventually.
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Good points, but a part of Ronan's deal is he's a total fanatic. In GoTG he was planning to blow up Xandar WITH HIM ON IT! Him smashing the comms when ordered to retreat after he's been humiliated and his men have been wiped out seems in-character no matter our interpretation.

Besides that, yeah having villains return is awesome, but if we do it for almost every villain every movie it kind of takes away from the movies I feel. Ronan is badass, would love to see more of him. But when it comes down to it he's supposed to be one badass Kree champion. Him dying and the empire still being a major threat with more warriors on his level or higher to fear adds to it all I feel. Case might be it is good to leave the audience wishing for more and eager to see what other villains the Kree can produce.

Imagine him having his last stand against Thor and Captain America, three great warriors from three worlds decking it out for the future of Earth. A battle of the ages with Ronan going out like a badass with a warrior's death and the eternal respect of Earth's greatest as a great soldier.

Live or die I love the idea of making Ronan an iconic villain lol. Brainstorming stuff to do with him is fun, especially since he's such a blank canvas.

Btw: Avengers vs the Accusers is pretty much what this is going down as if we make him the villain lol. Fun

F.I.M.M.98 said:
While not connected to the current discussion, one character that I believe could truly shine this time is Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel...while avoiding everything Disney did wrong with her believing themselves owners of the "truth".
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Honestly would rather just not have Carol in our MCU. There's other Captain Marvels and she's too broken, and divisive comic-wise for good and bad reasons.
 
Nystical said:
Who played Hal Jordan @overmind ?

They are pretty much guaranteed to not be in the DC any more so we could cast them in a few years perhaps.
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A random extra. Basically, the beginning of the film was from John's POV, right in the middle of the fight against Sinestro with the entire Corps being destroyed, then a mention that Hal was holding him back for now before seeing from far away how he dies.
 
Gorgrath177 said:
Honestly would rather just not have Carol in our MCU. There's other Captain Marvels and she's too broken, and divisive comic-wise for good and bad reasons.
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I posted my message thinking in terms like that. I would like to see Carol done truly well. In that way that she can truly be an example for a "strong female character" without all the nonsense, self-entitlement and condenscending retoric born from creators/fans of terrible executed characters who just happened to be girls.
 
F.I.M.M.98 said:
First of all, I can still see her as the best match-up from the Avengers against Thanos. And this could be explained if she gets her powers from more than One Infinity Stone. Like 2 or 3. That would explain better her "OP-ness".
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Doesn't really seem very interesting or compelling or relatable to make her extra extra OP but with a random drawback. Think of the in-universe audience.

Just make her empowered by one stone and be on Wonder Man's tier, except she has a military background and discipline behind it while Simon is more relaxed and chill.
 
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As long as we don't get crap like her shrugging everything off, destroying Thanos's ship and taking a punch to the face without flinching I'm tentatively okay-ish with Captain Marvel being included. She'd have to be adapted really dang well though, without all the crap and hatable apathy.

Would still prefer Carol just not being included however. Could go with the original Mar-Vell or Monica Rambeau.
 
Nystical said:
Doesn't really seem very interesting or compelling or relatable to make her extra extra OP but with a random drawback. Think of the in-universe audience.

Just make her empowered by one stone and be on Wonder Man's tier, except she has a military background and discipline behind it while Simon is more relaxed and chill.
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Another thing too in general, why not use other forces to empower characters rather than the Stones as the number one go to?

Edit: But yeah, I'm more on board with bringing in Nova a lot more than Captain Marvel.
 
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Zvonimir said:
Another thing too in general, why not use other forces to empower characters rather than the Stones as the number one go to?

Edit: But yeah, I'm more on board with bringing in Nova a lot more than Captain Marvel.
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Could be a fun way to have a Space movie. Set up the Nova Corps as the good guys defending neutral parties from the Kree vs Skrull war.
 
Zvonimir said:
I can see Ronan beating Hulk because Hulk is very green in terms of fighting experience. I'm sorry, please don't shoot me Thor on the other hand, being a full on divine being and having engaged in many, many battles. Would be above Ronan in terms of strength.
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This depends heavily upon which Roman we're talking about. Base Ronan is still pretty insane, being a literal Alpha level badass with a lot of experience along with superior technological capabilities and base biology.

Still, it'd be a far cry from divine Thor if it were just that… but he was granted cosmic powers by the Black Vortex in the comics to become an Alpha Plus level god who could create pocket universes and other hoopla.

If we wanted, the Kree could easily possess the Black Vortex. It'd make sense for such a massive Empire to have some trump cards like Odin and his vault.
 
Honestly, my vote is for Captain Marvel's powers to be about the same as OTL. Remember, she was able to fight Thanos in Endgame because she was leeching power from the stones on the Iron Gauntlet, not because she's that strong at base. Keep her base form on par with base Hulk, with much slower scaling up, and have her be weaker than Wonder Man in energy projection.
 
Ehbon said:
This depends heavily upon which Roman we're talking about. Base Ronan is still pretty insane, being a literal Alpha level badass with a lot of experience along with superior technological capabilities and base biology.

Still, it'd be a far cry from divine Thor if it were just that… but he was granted cosmic powers by the Black Vortex in the comics to become an Alpha Plus level god who could create pocket universes and other hoopla.

If we wanted, the Kree could easily possess the Black Vortex. It'd make sense for such a massive Empire to have some trump cards like Odin and his vault.
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Kree having the Black Vortek would make sense. It would give them an edge against forces such as the Asgardians. That and it showed up in a fanfic I like, so I'm a bit biased with having it be canon in our universe
 
Ehbon said:
This depends heavily upon which Roman we're talking about. Base Ronan is still pretty insane, being a literal Alpha level badass with a lot of experience along with superior technological capabilities and base biology.

Still, it'd be a far cry from divine Thor if it were just that… but he was granted cosmic powers by the Black Vortex in the comics to become an Alpha Plus level god who could create pocket universes and other hoopla.

If we wanted, the Kree could easily possess the Black Vortex. It'd make sense for such a massive Empire to have some trump cards like Odin and his vault.
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Pocket universe could be interesting. It means he could bring a lot of Kree assets in the first portal experiment at the beginning of the movie, he could trap Hulk in a pocket dimension, etc.

I like the idea of Loki realizing he's in over his head and kind of hoping Ronan loses by the end or something.
 
On Ronan: I think we can afford to make him a lot stronger than some of the discussion going on right now. If any Avenger has a chance at just beating him in a fight one-on-one, it takes a lot of the seriousness out of the situation in my mind. Ronan isn't supposed to be some character whose bark is bigger than his bite; he is a xenocidal warlord, not because he wants to kill off another race of aliens but because he has killed off other races of aliens. If Thor or the Hulk goes on to fight him one-on-one, and I think it would be a great scene for them to try to do so at an early part of the movie, he should make it clear just how outmatched they are as individuals (I'm imagining a scene something along the lines of Thor: "I've trained as a warrior for two-thousand years," Ronan: "Then you should've trained for ten-thousand, then maybe you could face me;" or if it was Ronan vs. the Hulk, Ronan could abuse Hulk's lack of experience and allude to having fought stronger and smarter monsters in the galaxy). The film is a team-up movie, and the primary antagonist should require an actual team-up to be taken down.

Gorgrath177 said:
Imagine him having his last stand against Thor and Captain America, three great warriors from three worlds decking it out for the future of Earth. A battle of the ages with Ronan going out like a badass with a warrior's death and the eternal respect of Earth's greatest as a great soldier.
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Like this, this end to the film is more of a moment if we've already established just how strong Ronan is, and how no one Avenger could face him, then having two or more of the Avengers joining forces and facing off with him in the climactic struggle has a lot more weight on it.
 
Nystical said:
Pocket universe could be interesting. It means he could bring a lot of Kree assets in the first portal experiment at the beginning of the movie, he could trap Hulk in a pocket dimension, etc.

I like the idea of Loki realizing he's in over his head and kind of hoping Ronan loses by the end or something.
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It's also one of the most creative power-ups a Marvel character ever got. Ronan's main strength that puts him ahead of the likes of, say, Thor is his tactical mindset and experience as a general.

Ronan being able to literally carry an army alongside him at all times, along with having the ability to separate his enemies as he pleases, lets him control a battlefield… his specialty.

It makes him better at what he was already good at.
 
Ronan can represent a fusion of multiple avengers to be a more thematic threat.

He helped manage the Kree war efforts like Tony did albeit from a manufacturing perspective
Enhanced by a cosmic artifact like Wonder Man was
A living ideal of the Kree people like Cap is for Humanity
Warrior who has lived and fought for thousands of years like Thor
The head of the Kree special ops equivalent so he has intelligence experience like Hawkeye and Mockingbird

And like I said earlier, Loki realizing just how dangerous Ronan and the Kree are and regretting his actions, plus perhaps hearing some fatherly wisdom from Nefaria, plus the Jotuns helping defend Midgard, can all coalesce into a great arc for Loki to be redeemed in the future.
 
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