It really feels like Thor needs to come in earlier than the finally.
Maybe he comes by himself when he hears about loki. They have the team moments and brothers confrontation. Then when wonderman powers up from the stone loki uses his tricks to make him think Thor is him? Causes havoc because at the same time they are attacking the ship wonderman and Thor are fighting through the ship.
It a variation of the hulk fight but could still work.
It really feels like Thor needs to come in earlier than the finally.
Maybe he comes by himself when he hears about loki. They have the team moments and brothers confrontation. Then when wonderman powers up from the stone loki uses his tricks to make him think Thor is him? Causes havoc because at the same time they are attacking the ship wonderman and Thor are fighting through the ship.
It a variation of the hulk fight but could still work.
We could have Odin or another Asgardian being the one to "bring the cavalry" so to speak in the finale while Thor appears earlier in the movie (right after Loki is captured). Perhaps it's Sif? She could be excited to finally get a chance to get revenge on Loki for their childhood.
Maybe they have something from loki that blocks thor's ability to communicate with Asgard. When the guy sees captain America and betrays the bad guys that could be one of the things that gets shut off first and then the asgardian calvary get called in.
Perhaps Laufey and Odin both arrive to protect Midguard? (Or at least both Asgardian and Jotunheim warriors) Showing the peace talks went well. Could also set the stage for Loki's redemption through him accepting his heritage. Well, that and also from hearing some of Nefaria's wisdom in Avengers.
We've established Laufey and Odin, and combined with the idea of Loki & Nefaria building some kind of signal jammer to prevent them from interfering could be interesting.
Speaking of fan favorites, we should also try to bring The Leader back in some manner. I'm thinking Masters of Evil.
For the Masters of Evil, we should try to have at least one villain from each OG franchise to make the team. Phase 1 was about the heroes rising, Phase 2 is about the villains rising in response.
Hulk: Samuel Sterns (I really want Christopher Eccleston back, I liked his changes to the character and would really like the dynamic he would have with Nefaria)
Wonder Man: Eric Williams
Iron Man: Whitney Frost/Madame Masque (Or maybe someone else, if he doesn't want to endanger his daughter. Also we should reveal her real name is Giuletta Nefaria)
Hawkeye: Black Widow
Captain America: ??? (Need someone from Cap 2)
Thor: ??? (Need someone from Thor 2)
Perhaps Laufey and Odin both arrive to protect Midguard? (Or at least both Asgardian and Jotunheim warriors) Showing the peace talks went well. Could also set the stage for Loki's redemption through him accepting his heritage. Well, that and also from hearing some of Nefaria's wisdom in Avengers.
Not a bad plan, though it physically pains me that Heimdall's casting went so poorly. This is literally the role he is meant to fill, as the watcher on the walls.
I wonder if we could get away with replacing the actor, considering that Heimdall always wears his helmet? And maybe, if that doesn't sound like it'd work, have the duty and name be inherited somehow?
Not a bad plan, though it physically pains me that Heimdall's casting went so poorly. This is literally the role he is meant to fill, as the watcher on the walls.
I wonder if we could get away with replacing the actor, considering that Heimdall always wears his helmet? And maybe, if that doesn't sound like it'd work, have the duty and name be inherited somehow?
Maybe we can draw parallels to the Greek mythological figure Atlas in part? Make it so the role of Heimdall takes a toll on someone.
Then we can say it must be passed down between generations of Asgardians.
And we can say Asgardians long lifespan mean that this next replacement of Heimdall is the last that is needed for the rest of the MCU.
Unfortunately we can't really do the swap in time for Avengers... unless we can? Perhaps we show a ceremony on Asgard where Odin celebrates the next to take the mantle, then Thor decides to take a trip to Earth once Loki is spotted by the new Heimdall. This scene could also give some exposition of how the Asguard and Jotun peace talks have been going, setting the stage for the finale.
Maybe they have something from loki that blocks thor's ability to communicate with Asgard. When the guy sees captain America and betrays the bad guys that could be one of the things that gets shut off first and then the asgardian calvary get called in.
One problem with this idea is if part of how Loki manipulates Nefaria is by omitting the fact that the Asgardians would protect Midgard as part of the Nine Realms, then this idea logically contradicts that.
If they are having Nefaria build or even know about the signal blocker then he knows the Kree can't invade and control Midgard in the long run because of Asgard, so their threats/promises to him are meaningless.
I thought of potentially doing something like this, but Iron Man and Thor are two different franchises with totally different tones and themes. So just doing what OTL did because OTL did it assuming it will work in a completely different context feels... assumptive.
I like that idea, some sort of burden where their vision is tied to the Bifrost and it is too much for them. Which would conveniently explain how and why Heimdall stands there day and night watching for all eternity.
I figured that the whole 'inherited' thing would only apply to Heimdall's omniscience. With the name being more of a surname, held collectively by a family within Asgard who train for the role.
The other Gods and their respective divinities would all be unique, which sort of makes sense because none are quite as static as Heimdall. His role is as more of a statue/warning alarm, and he is charged to literally do this unto death.
I figured that the whole 'inherited' thing would only apply to Heimdall's omniscience. With the name being more of a surname, held collectively by a family within Asgard who train for the role.
The other Gods and their respective divinities would all be unique, which sort of makes sense because none are quite as static as Heimdall. His role is as more of a statue/warning alarm.
Could make for a crazy cool cinematic scene too, where the next in line takes up the mantle and their eyes change to become like MCU Heimdall's. Cursed forever to see everything there is, and impotent to change most of it.
Ronan the Accuser and his Kree Agents attack the Helicarrier, using advanced technology. Perhaps their target is to free Loki and try to take the power stone, but Wonder Man bonds with it before they can take it.
One way to add Hulk in is to use the "free the Loki" scene. Loki has manipulated Hulk to attack in order to get away. This way he can be used in last battle also without Bruce Banner being used. Afterwards he just leaves so he can be alone or something.
Marvel comics Loki was supernaturally good at manipulation and deceit on top of having illusion-based and telepathic magic. Him tricking or manipulating Nefaria into working for him under false pretenses is his entire specialty.
Remember in the beginning of Agent of Asgard he managed to get the Avengers fighting each other with simple trickery?
Good times, good times.
(This is a jab at the OTL for doing what they did to Loki. Not to this. With everything discussed so far, I'm glad we're not making Loki a woobie and are making him good as at least his comic counterpart.)
I figured that the whole 'inherited' thing would only apply to Heimdall's omniscience. With the name being more of a surname, held collectively by a family within Asgard who train for the role.
The other Gods and their respective divinities would all be unique, which sort of makes sense because none are quite as static as Heimdall. His role is as more of a statue/warning alarm, and he is charged to literally do this unto death.
Personally I lean towards just recasting it without note - BUT:
If you want to play with the mythology - Heimdall was birthed by nine mothers, that could well be taken to mean that Heimdall has nine separate bodies that are somehow linked - one for each of the nine realms, partially explaining his expansive vision, as well as allowing us to switch between actors for him while justifying it in-world in a way that doesn't feel like it's just hanging-a-lampshade on the actor switch.
Idea: how about we introduce Deadpool in Hydra's next appearance as a hired mercenary? He has no idea they're nazis because he flunked history class but as soon as he figures it out he switches sides. He's American damnit! We can have Bob the hydra agent as his handler/drinking buddy who also jumps ship because the pay is crap.
Later on maybe he can get hired onto the Thunderbolts as Helmut's batshit muscle with his family fortune.
So if we have Loki introducing the exposition on the Kree, the Supreme Intelligence, and their goals, while he's convincing/threatening Nefaria, he should pair that with the explanation of how they are in a never-ending war against another alien race of shapeshifters and how in the end Earth will become a pawn in their game, but it will at least survive and join the winning side rather than be a casualty.
Maybe Nefaria responds something to the effect of "A pawn, like you?" but despite him mocking Loki a bit he eventually sees joining Loki as the only logical move.
Could be fun if Loki and Nefaria end the movie with mutual respect, or something.
Remember Nefaria is a father so he could perhaps plant some fatherly wisdom in Loki once he realizes Loki is in over his head and lashing out.
I imagine Nefaria, someone who basically became a ruler without an official title through organized crime (while also coming from Nobility) could give Loki the inspiration that he could always grow in power/status without an official title.
Green Arrow: Skull Island
Released on: December 3, 2010 Directed by: David S. Goyer
Starring: Charlie Hunnam, Kristofer Hivju, Devon Aoki, Idris Elba, Scott Adkins, Tom Hopper and Marie Avgeropoulos
Domestic Box Office: $266,931,085
International Box Office: $192,910,576
Production Budget: $115,000,000
Net Worldwide Gross: $344,841,661
You know, you might actually like this one. It's got nothing on Hawkeye of course, but the story is where it shines.
As an origin story it sticks to the basics but it also helps in expanding the lore and world. Oliver Queen shipwrecking on an Island owned by the League of Assassins and teaming with Eddie Fyers in order to find a way out makes for an amazing experience! The dynamic and familiar bond they develop is magnificent!
And they made sure to use as many characters for future development; Deadshot, Constantine Drakon, freaking Onomatopoeia!! Just a how shame they wasted the character of Shado… Thalia's Al-Ghul appeared at the end, but in your opinion, and many in the audience as well, they would have preferred if Shado remained alive.
You can see what they're doing here, trying to make Green Arrow the new Batman of this "Expanded Universe"…and you hate to admit it's working. Even you can't deny it's a freaking good movie. The Post Credit scenes teasing Deathstroke and his family was amazing as well, though the one focusing on a hidden island makes you Wonder…
Luke Cage: Power Man
Released on: February 4, 2011 Directed by: Francis Lawrence
Starring: Henry Simmons, Laz Alonso, Pam Grier, Terry Crews, Edi Gathegi and Simone Missick
Domestic Box Office: $66,502,861
International Box Office: $102,710,348
Production Budget: $65,000,000
Net Worldwide Gross: $104,213,209
Okay, this wasn't...that bad.
Oh who were you kidding? Lawrence why?! First Constantine and now this?! Can't you remain faithful to the fucking source material for once?!?
Bushmaster and Luke Cage being brothers?! Black Mariah being their mother!? All of them being in a gang and fighting for control of the city against Willis Stryker, who turns out to be his father and James Stryker his long lost brother?!? Luke Cage getting his powers due to being bathed in a strange compound due to a traffic accident?! That's freaking Daredevil, Lawrence!!! Learn about your fucking characters!!
The worst part is you could've forgiven this, despite it all there is enough entertainment and originality here as to make the story worth watching. The casting is amazing as well, you can see Sony put some clear thought into this...but the entire premise is so convoluted that you are not sure for who exactly you're supposed to be in favor of. Heck, the ending doesn't even clarify if Luke Cage stopped being a criminal at the end!
Fucking hell!! And since they made the movie so the only way you're getting the rights back now is either buying them or waiting 5 to 10 more years!
Green Lantern: Fear Itself
Released on: April 1, 2011 Directed by: Scott Derrickson
Starring: Mads Mikkelsen, Don Cheadle, Peter Dinklage, Andrew Garfield, Vanessa Hudgens and Jennifer Lawrence.
Domestic Box Office: $566,729,201
International Box Office: $632,905,175
Production Budget: $195,000,000
Net Worldwide Gross: $1,004,634,376
He…he actually dared to do it…he actually killed Hal Jordan at the beginning of the movie!!!
And it works!!
You don't know if it was in response to not getting Ryan Reynolds for the part, but making it so the entire Green Lantern Corps dies at Sinestro's hand at the beginning, with only John Stewart and Ganthet as the survivors, immediately set the stakes for the entire film.
And you loved it!! Whoever this Director is he knows how to do space fights and use VFX in just the right amount. And there are plenty of those! John and Ganthet teaching Kyle about the uses of the ring, Kyle having to find a way to deal with his growing relationship with Jade (teasing Alan Scott's appearance in the future) Sinestro looking for them along his personal Apprentice, Katma Tui, a final confrontation between both groups, The Freaking Martian Manhunter stepping in to help protect Earth!!! (How did you not see it coming! The clues were right there!!)
It was wild, it was intense, and it left the promise for more when the Post-Credit Scene showed Sinestro in front of what can only be the entire Sinestro Corps
Goddammit! You couldn't help but love the movie! Just when you think you're catching up, Kevin still finds a way to upstage you!
X-Men: First Class
Released on: May 25, 2011 Directed by: Alan Taylor
Starring: James McAvoy, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Nicholas Hoult, Hugh Jackman, Kevin Bacon and Alicia Vikander.
Domestic Box Office: $107,810,473
International Box Office: $162,751,087
Production Budget: $159,000,000
Net Worldwide Gross: $111,561,560
What happened here? You actually thought that they had a good premise and some excellent casting as well. Well, as it turns out, though McAvoy and Coster-Waldau seemed to have a good dynamic going together there was a problem with the fact that Nikolaj was also working with Game of Thrones, and unlike your case they were unable to compromise, causing issues on set, and unexpected delays. This led to Hugh Jackman having to take center stage more than what was hoped for and somewhat diluting the character of Magneto.
And it's a shame because you can see a good script underneath…this. It probably didn't help that the Director didn't seem to know what was going on as you can see signs of reshooting on nearly every act. This story is supposed to be about rebooting the franchise from what you'd heard, and it just seems to be making the same mistakes as before. Most of the characters fall flat, and there hardly seems to be any effort to give them the time to properly develop them.
It probably didn't help that they had to follow up Wonder Man either. It just invited some unfair comparisons.
No freaking wonder Fox gave you Deadpool and Fantastic Four so easily; they were probably hoping to get something to make up for this disaster.
X-Men: First Class
Released on: May 25, 2011 Directed by: Alan Taylor
Starring: James McAvoy, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Nicholas Hoult, Hugh Jackman, Kevin Bacon and Alicia Vikander.
Domestic Box Office: $107,810,473
International Box Office: $162,751,087
Production Budget: $159,000,000
Net Worldwide Gross: $111,561,560
What happened here? You actually thought that they had a good premise and some excellent casting as well. Well, as it turns out, though McAvoy and Coster-Waldau seemed to have a good dynamic going together there was a problem with the fact that Nikolaj was also working with Game of Thrones, and unlike your case they were unable to compromise, causing issues on set, and unexpected delays. This led to Hugh Jackman having to take center stage more than what was hoped for and somewhat diluting the character of Magneto.
And it's a shame because you can see a good script underneath…this. It probably didn't help that the Director didn't seem to know what was going on as you can see signs of reshooting on nearly every act. This story is supposed to be about rebooting the franchise from what you'd heard, and it just seems to be making the same mistakes as before. Most of the characters fall flat, and there hardly seems to be any effort to give them the time to properly develop them.
It probably didn't help tthat they released so close to Wonder Man either.
No freaking wonder Fox gave you Deadpool and Fantastic Four so easily; they were probably hoping to get something to make up for this disaster.
You, know if we want to take back the X-men this is a perfect time... After the failure of their reboot.
It is also a great time to get back Spiderman too, IRL Sony had a negative net profit in 2011, with huge losses in 2011 and the first two quarters of 2012.
Goddammit, this is a world where Iron Man and Captain America can take out Batman and Superman and then Green Lantern comes along and beats all four of them as the first billion-dollar movie. Geoff Johns must be a very happy man.
