Should we add in moments where the actors hear him yelling at the VFX team or his reactions to first bad scripts and the actors wondering if he's okay?
There Was A Different Idea: An MCU Producer Quest
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Gumiho
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Unless your a member of the VFX team of course.You know, with my omake of Matt Miller going around and giving kids money to buy Marvel tickets and stuff, I might start writing more of these omakes showing Matt Miller to be a great person in general, not just in the studio. Interviews from actors detailing how enjoyable Matt was to be around, Matt helping people purchase groceries, just him being a darling of the people.
Duke William of
I really need to finish my quests. :V
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Fan compilations of actors talking about the times Matt Miller lost his temper about bad scripts, acting, or production quality is something I didn't know I needed until now.
Eh, they deserve it.
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Yeah, gonna have to jump on the finish the TV show bandwagon.
I think we showed Bagalia off during the Hawkeye movie, but it might be worth having a visit in another movie or two, so moviegoers will have time to get acquainted with the place before Nefaria pulls off the reality change. The plan was for him to pull it off successfully, right?
I think we showed Bagalia off during the Hawkeye movie, but it might be worth having a visit in another movie or two, so moviegoers will have time to get acquainted with the place before Nefaria pulls off the reality change. The plan was for him to pull it off successfully, right?
Eh. Hawkeye was our least successful movie to date ("only" $300 million in profit), but that was due to us picking a bad release date and competing with a DiCaprio film, as well as Hawkeye not being the most recognizable or popular character. Given the rolls we got on release, as well as our steadily growing reputation for good if not great films, I feel if we give him another movie we could see better returns.
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I do think it is a lot more impactful if the change is done successfully and made permanent.
I could see us revisiting it in either a Wonder Man sequel and/or a movie involving SHIELD (Cap / Hawkeye sequel). But for now let me discuss my ideas for it in a Wonder Man sequel
Wonder Man 2
Considering Eric Williams escaped but is on the run from SHIELD, perhaps have Eric Williams be smuggled into Bagalia by the Maggia with a bunch of stolen assets (technology, data, cash, etc.) from Williams Innovations, causing Simon to struggle with being forced back into the CEO role to save his family's business while also trying to propel his newly successful acting career. It would be a good idea to humanize him: he has a bunch of extraordinary powers but struggles with problems he can't just punch.
So we can have part of the movie exploring Eric Williams's transformation, becoming a power player in the country of Bagalia, perhaps he's using the stolen assets and Maggia backing to become a weapons dealer to the criminals in Bagalia, causing the criminals of the world to get access to high tech gadgets and weaponry (and Maggia makes a fortune). One such client of his could be Deadpool, and Simon decides to hunt Deadpool down not just because he shares Simon's face and voice but also he serves as a symbol of his failure regarding his company.
But of course Simon can't defeat Deadpool. He simply regenerates too quickly to die. And in fighting Deadpool and realizing that, he figures out the solution to his problems: he decides to stop trying to prop up his ego by wanting to keep the family business going just for the sake of keeping it going and decides to sell it to Stark Industries.
Duke William of
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So, @inukai44 and I are planning for a Fantastic Four movie pitch set in 1963, but that comes with the problem of there not being any mentions of the said superhero group in the MCU. So, We've brainstormed an idea together to explain why the Fantastic Four aren't really mentioned, and we'd both like everyone's opinions and suggestions for it.
So, basically, the Fantastic Four was originally a very famous and successful group of superheroes as the poster heroes of America during the Cold War, like how Captain America was during WW2. But scandals and team fractures began to rock the group, with Johnny's reckless playboy attitude and constant throwing of parties, Reed more on one occasion neglecting Sue for research, and Ben growing increasingly frustrated that he's constantly ignored by the public in favor of the other three "normal" Four and his struggles with reintegrating back into society. So, when they were sucked into the phantom verse and basically don't exist anymore, the US government, sensing an opportunity to sweep the group under the rug and to make them martyrs as well, said that a catastrophic lab accident has caused the unfortunate deaths of four of America's finest heroes. The Baxter Building could also be destroyed during the final fight, hence the "catastrophic lab accident" coverup by the US Government, Although there was mourning for them, the group slowly faded away from memory, only mentioned here and there.
Much advice has been given by inukai44, my pitch partner and the original creator of this idea.
Okay I absolutely love the symbolism here between fighting Deadpool and keeping the family business going both being Sisyphean tasks, always going nowhere and ending up back right where they started. We might need to iron out the rest of the prompt, but this has to happen. The Deadpool fight is too good of an idea.
Some questions. If they are already heroes is Doom already a villain? and does Doom get stuck in the Phanton verse as well and if so how?So, @inukai44 and I are planning for a Fantastic Four movie pitch set in 1963, but that comes with the problem of there not being any mentions of the said superhero group in the MCU. So, We've brainstormed an idea together to explain why the Fantastic Four aren't really mentioned, and we'd both like everyone's opinions and suggestions for it.
So, basically, the Fantastic Four was originally a very famous and successful group of superheroes as the poster heroes of America during the Cold War, like how Captain America was during WW2. But scandals and team fractures began to rock the group, with Johnny's reckless playboy attitude and constant throwing of parties, Reed more on one occasion neglecting Sue for research, and Ben growing increasingly frustrated that he's constantly ignored by the public in favor of the other three "normal" Four and his struggles with reintegrating back into society. So, when they were sucked into the phantom verse and basically don't exist anymore, the US government, sensing an opportunity to sweep the group under the rug and to make them martyrs as well, said that a catastrophic lab accident has caused the unfortunate deaths of four of America's finest heroes. The Baxter Building could also be destroyed during the final fight, hence the "catastrophic lab accident" coverup by the US Government, Although there was mourning for them, the group slowly faded away from memory, only mentioned here and there.
Much advice has been given by inukai44, my pitch partner and the original creator of this idea.
Duke William of
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I have to sleep now, but to be quick, Doom isn't quite a villain yet(certainly doesn't rule Latveria yet), worked with Reed to stop a bigger evil, and was also sucked into Phantom Verse. Once out due to SHIELD bringing him and the Four out of the Phantom Verse, he teleports via magic back to Latveria, and, seeing how Zorba ran the country into the ground, mumbles angrily: "Fortunov."
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By Phantom Verse do you mean Negative Zone?So, @inukai44 and I are planning for a Fantastic Four movie pitch set in 1963, but that comes with the problem of there not being any mentions of the said superhero group in the MCU. So, We've brainstormed an idea together to explain why the Fantastic Four aren't really mentioned, and we'd both like everyone's opinions and suggestions for it.
So, basically, the Fantastic Four was originally a very famous and successful group of superheroes as the poster heroes of America during the Cold War, like how Captain America was during WW2. But scandals and team fractures began to rock the group, with Johnny's reckless playboy attitude and constant throwing of parties, Reed more on one occasion neglecting Sue for research, and Ben growing increasingly frustrated that he's constantly ignored by the public in favor of the other three "normal" Four and his struggles with reintegrating back into society. So, when they were sucked into the phantom verse and basically don't exist anymore, the US government, sensing an opportunity to sweep the group under the rug and to make them martyrs as well, said that a catastrophic lab accident has caused the unfortunate deaths of four of America's finest heroes. The Baxter Building could also be destroyed during the final fight, hence the "catastrophic lab accident" coverup by the US Government, Although there was mourning for them, the group slowly faded away from memory, only mentioned here and there.
Much advice has been given by inukai44, my pitch partner and the original creator of this idea.
Also I think the "government cover-up" is a little too convenient of an idea and doesn't really make sense, I just don't think they would be completely forgotten about if they were hugely popular as recently as the Cold War.
What might make more sense is that things in the Negative Zone are slowly forgotten about outside of it (and perhaps people inside the Negative Zone also slowly forgot about reality outside the Negative Zone)?
That could be an interesting quirk for the Negative Zone that makes it perfect for being used as a prison as it was in the Marvel comics. Throw a villain in there and the public will forget about them, and the villain will forget about life outside the Zone so they don't try to escape back home. (And no way for there to be a prison break in the future... *wink*)
Plus it makes sense why Reed with all of his genius took decades to escape the Negative Zone: he simply forgot about his home universe. So perhaps in a later film he and the rest of the Fantastic Four return to reality by another lab accident decades later?
Doom being trapped in the Zone with them because of Reed seems like a great way to make him never forgive Reed, especially if the accident was caused by Reed's recklessness. Perhaps being trapped in the zone for so long caused him to miss his parent's deaths, and his country was over-run by corrupt officials in the decades that followed. So he feels like he lost everything because of Reed. But if we combine that with the memory altering ideas in the Zone earlier in this post, we could have him working cordially with Reed because he doesn't remember what he lost (not until they are back in reality) as a way to show how they could have been great friends and colleagues.
So if the first movie is about them being heroes in Cold War, movie ends with them being trapped in Negative Zone, losing memories of their lives on Earth while Earth forgets their existence, perhaps another movie ends with a post credit scene of Reed working on the same experiment that trapped them by happenstance after decades of living there, to set up a Fantastic Four sequel where they escape the Negative Zone.
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I wouldn't start adding in heros to the timeline retroactively. Current marvel has done that and it has really damaged the setting.
I think we might need a better reason for Simon to be fighting Deadpool than just him reminding Simon of himself, maybe some sort of lead on his brother from Shield that leads him to the Merc with a Mouth?
Never mind, Nystical sold me on the idea. That being said, I am still hesitant to do another hero-out-of-time story...
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The idea that we had is that the passage of time is wonky in the negative zone what could've been an shortly decent amount of time in there is about 50-ish years years outside the zone and are brought back when SHIELD is experimenting with the tesseract/space stone. The Villians in this film would be Annihilus and Blastaar who are connected to the Negative Zone in the comics.
^ These would be the post-credit scenes with Doctor Doom's post credit scene setting up an possible solo film which covers his take over of Latveria.
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I don't know if this could be possible, but what if we produce a second Captain America movie before the first Avengers? This are my reasons.
The first movie would be Steve's origin story, ending with him trapped by the ice and waking up in 2009/10.
But the second movie, in contrast to The Winter Soldier, would be about Steve comming in terms with...well, everything.
It's been over 60 years since the last time he was awake.
Based from the IRL movies (i know nothing about the comics) he wouldn't be aware about the Final Solution, considering his final fight with Red Skull was in February, with the first camps on the west being liberated by April.
Already he would have missed the biggest repercussions on the War, including the revelation of the Genocidal policies of Germany and Japan, the creation and deployment of Nuclear Weapons and the infamous war crimes by Allied Forces including the firebombings of Dresden, Tokyo and the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff.
Steve joined the war believing that he was fighting a true noble cause against the Nazi bullies, and he most have certainly thought so after freazing.
What would he think and believe as soon he learns everything that he missed just in that year?
And that's not even mentionating the postwar-period and the Cold War (For this I will focus in the US)
The stalemate that was the Korean War that lasts to the present, the infamous distaster that was Vietnam, the Coup d'états and military dictatorships supported by the US since the 50s across Africa and Central/South America , and the current War on Terror in Irak and Afghanistan.
Steve fought in a war were "they were the good guys". But everything after that lost its black and white optic...
And all of this doesn't include the massive social transformations around the 60s, with spacial emphasis on the Civil Rights Movements.
Steve lived the status quo of the 1930/40s, which would be rejected by the next generations.
The world of 1945 is WAY different from the one of 2009/10.
In overall, I believe the second movie should be about Steve trying (and failing) in grasping his new reality. Coming in terms about how his "world" is good as gone (family, friends) adn that things aren't Black and White anymore.
A movie for focused on Steve Rogers as himself, not Captain America. Naturally he would have a foe to defeat, but it should be more about acceptance and self-discovery.
Thoughts?
To complement how much Steve missed (from minute 4:50)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqBEL-YfcZI
The first movie would be Steve's origin story, ending with him trapped by the ice and waking up in 2009/10.
But the second movie, in contrast to The Winter Soldier, would be about Steve comming in terms with...well, everything.
It's been over 60 years since the last time he was awake.
Based from the IRL movies (i know nothing about the comics) he wouldn't be aware about the Final Solution, considering his final fight with Red Skull was in February, with the first camps on the west being liberated by April.
Already he would have missed the biggest repercussions on the War, including the revelation of the Genocidal policies of Germany and Japan, the creation and deployment of Nuclear Weapons and the infamous war crimes by Allied Forces including the firebombings of Dresden, Tokyo and the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff.
Steve joined the war believing that he was fighting a true noble cause against the Nazi bullies, and he most have certainly thought so after freazing.
What would he think and believe as soon he learns everything that he missed just in that year?
And that's not even mentionating the postwar-period and the Cold War (For this I will focus in the US)
The stalemate that was the Korean War that lasts to the present, the infamous distaster that was Vietnam, the Coup d'états and military dictatorships supported by the US since the 50s across Africa and Central/South America , and the current War on Terror in Irak and Afghanistan.
Steve fought in a war were "they were the good guys". But everything after that lost its black and white optic...
And all of this doesn't include the massive social transformations around the 60s, with spacial emphasis on the Civil Rights Movements.
Steve lived the status quo of the 1930/40s, which would be rejected by the next generations.
The world of 1945 is WAY different from the one of 2009/10.
In overall, I believe the second movie should be about Steve trying (and failing) in grasping his new reality. Coming in terms about how his "world" is good as gone (family, friends) adn that things aren't Black and White anymore.
A movie for focused on Steve Rogers as himself, not Captain America. Naturally he would have a foe to defeat, but it should be more about acceptance and self-discovery.
Thoughts?
To complement how much Steve missed (from minute 4:50)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqBEL-YfcZI
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Well I wasn't thinking it being just that he reminds Simon of himself but also that he reminds other people of Simon, being a controversy that hurts both his acting career and his efforts at keeping Williams Innovations running.
Like imagine if someone played a villain in a movie and suddenly the character came to life. The value of the IP of that character would probably tank because of the scandal and association, and people might be hesitant to hire Simon, etc.
Perhaps at first he is just annoyed that a criminal dressed himself like his movie character, causing a minor scandal, but once Deadpool's mask is removed, perhaps by himself in an effort to taunt Simon, the scandal gets a lot worse as people realize he literally *is* the character somehow come to life.
I kind of agree, that plus the whole 'retroactive heroes rarely work out' has me shying away from that angle.
On your second idea, maybe it isn't that entering the Negative Zone makes you forget about the world and the world forget about you... maybe it slowly erasing your presence from the timeline Back to the Future style? In other words, the Fantastic Four aren't remembered because they were erased from existence. None of their family are alive, and as far as the world is concerned they never existed, same with Dr. Doom... which would be great motivation for hating Reeds.
His life was literally stolen from him by Reeds' overconfidence, and the country that he loves doesn't even recognize him as having ever been a citizen. Both his life and his identity were taken from him.
Ooooo, I really like this. In a sense, Captain America is made by Steve Rogers, made by his willingness to pursue his own justice in a world where he was unfit to do so. What made Cap so inspiring wasn't his shield, or the serum, but his unwillingness to accept things as they were. He, powers or not, was a force of good.
To do Cap justice, you need to have him come to terms with modern issues and establish his own moral compass again.
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If they've been trapped in there for decades, then wouldn't they be a little bit past their sell-by date, so to speak? Unless everyone in the Phantom Zone stays young forever or something. ...Hmm, there might be an interesting way to hint at or foreshadow the cancerverse in that, come to think of it.
Ehhhhh, I don't think that explanation makes sense in the long run. It's not a motivation that people can get really invested in, hunting someone down because they look like you is just kind of... meh.
Also, Deadpool's whole thing is he looks like he's a burn ward patient, he would look nothing like Simon even were they to somehow seem identical in appearance before Deadpool got his powers. Deadpool only came into existence after the powers, before those he was just a guy.
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THe way I see it the four (and doom) weren't in there very long from their POV but outside the Negative Zone time passed very quickly.
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For the Fantastic Four, if we do the time slippage, 50 years have passed and they have been mostly forgotten. If we stick the movie in later in phase 2 or later, we can have them referenced.
If we use my idea of having some Flashbacks to Tony and Rhodie at MIT in War Machine, we can have a Reed Richards poster on Tony's wall, or have him name-dropped in a class, or even without a flashback, have him be referenced and.idolized by AIM.
If we use my idea of having some Flashbacks to Tony and Rhodie at MIT in War Machine, we can have a Reed Richards poster on Tony's wall, or have him name-dropped in a class, or even without a flashback, have him be referenced and.idolized by AIM.
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That's a fair way to explain why Reed and Doom didn't escape the Zone after so long, and why they wouldn't have aged a lot after decades of time have passed outside the Zone, but that also has issues of its own:
In my opinion it still doesn't address why/how the public forgot about a literal superhero family that was as recent as the Cold War. Unless the time difference is in addition to the memory affects idea.
I think this could work as well.
Nice thought, I had actually just had the same thought while writing this post. I think the time dilation and the memory loss or removal from existence idea works the best, and preserves the Negative Zone as a great place to be used by a prison for villains too powerful and too evil to deal with otherwise, a kind of ultimate punishment.
If you throw a villain in there and it takes them months to escape, then they aren't going to be a problem for decades.
Sure, I could see him pursuing Deadpool because of SHIELD questioning him for Deadpool's connections to him (and in this meeting he learns about Deadpool's connections to his brother) being a good motivation, him trying to find his brother and talk sense into him being a good reason to hunt Deadpool.
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Also, I'd like at least one IN SPACE! Or linked films in phase 2. Nova, Captains Marvel, GotG. Something to crack open the door to that part of the setting.
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I could see us doing more space stuff in a Thor sequel, or we could easily have Phase 2 be one movie longer than Phase 1 by adding another space-only movie on top without needing to have it replace a movie.
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Perhaps Time is not Linear in the Phantom Zone?
Escher like Time/Space loops and shattered continuity, so each bubble/pocket/area is different.
Fast Time
Reverse Time
Time Stop
Time Loops
Etc
Can we add Hulk into the TV Series as a guest star?
In one episode as an antagonist per the Military and in another later episode as a co protagonist where Rhodes uses his own judgement instead of following orders?
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I know Sony own the Spiderman IP.... But how about a Klyntar in the TV Series and in some of the Movies?
We could not get away with Venom or Carnage.... But how about one of their Spawn?
Or if we make new Klyntar Characters?
Ooh!
How about we have the Phantom Zone be where "The Secret Wars" take place?
We could use it for DOOM and as an MCU Klyntar/Symbiote origin.
Maybe use it to do Cameos of a few other Marvel Heroes and Villains?
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As my final word on the Fantastic Four idea for now, I agree with the sentiment of wanting to avoid "retroactive heroes" as much as possible, especially if the heroes were famous war heroes like the Fantastic Four would have been in the pitch. I'd only agree with the pitch if the memory and/or existence removal affects were part of the Negative Zone at a minimum.
Otherwise have them be introduced in the modern day and trapped in the Negative Zone at the end of the movie, and have them come out a few years later.
Perhaps their movie is in the middle of Phase 2, and their escape takes place as part of Doom's protagonist movie that takes place early Phase 3? A gap of 2-5+ years of time taking place in the real world before they return is probably enough for Doom to miss a parent's death and/or bad things happening in Latveria.
Otherwise have them be introduced in the modern day and trapped in the Negative Zone at the end of the movie, and have them come out a few years later.
Perhaps their movie is in the middle of Phase 2, and their escape takes place as part of Doom's protagonist movie that takes place early Phase 3? A gap of 2-5+ years of time taking place in the real world before they return is probably enough for Doom to miss a parent's death and/or bad things happening in Latveria.
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