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There Was A Different Idea: An MCU Producer Quest

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[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver (Can't call them Mutants), Skrulls, The Watcher.

Voting like this for multiple reasons.
  • Going for Fantastic Four and Doom, especially doom, seems counter productive when we're already setting up Nefaria as a "supervillain that runs a country" doing two at the same time might make both weaker and I prefer to prop up the lesser known characters like Nefaria, especially as we've already committed a lot into establishing him and his organization's place in the world
    • Unless you're willing to have Doom become inspired by Nefaria's plan and Doom decides to follow in Nefaria's footsteps but with tweaks so he would succeed where Nefaria failed:
      • Doom will combine science and magic instead of just science
      • Doom has his Doombots so he can avoid being killed by the heroes like Nefaria was (assuming he does get killed)
      • Doom can hijack the goodwill / martyr status of the deceased Nefaria to boost his own reputation by being seen as someone following in his footsteps with his home country
      • Doom can use geopolitical means to protect his official rule, by the time Doom makes his power play heroes are restricted and can't act as freely as they did when Nefaria made his power play
      • This would effectively showcase the "second mover advantage"
  • Skrulls are going to be very important for Space, so we can have Kree vs Skrulls, we've already put a lot of emphasis on the Kree with Loki so not taking Skrulls now seems foolish.
If we do go with Doom, we should wait to actually use him (at least as a ruler of Latveria) for after Nefaria's big plot is foiled: using space + reality stones to change Bagalia from a backwards hive of criminals into a technologically advanced country, albeit one with a monarchy (and after he dies, his daughter Madame Masque becomes Queen).
 
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Alright, changing my mind
[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver (Can't call them Mutants), Skrulls, The Watcher
 
Nystical said:
If we do go with Doom, it should wait for after Nefaria's big plot (using space + reality stones to change Bagalia from a backwards hive of criminals into a technologically advanced country, albeit one with a monarchy (and after he dies, his daughter Madame Masque becomes Queen)
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First of all, when did we decide that this was what we were doing with Nefaria, rather than (for example) using him to facilitate tying Wonder Man into the whole Grim Reaper/Vision/Ultron/Jocasta situation?

And second of all, as pleased as Dr. Doom would no doubt be to know that he's been the deciding factor in people's votes instead of the Fantastic Four (and especially REED RICHAAAAAAAAARDS!), we do get Marvel's first and at this point arguably best-known super team as part of this purchase with full rights to do with them as we see fit, and that shouldn't be ignored just to have a discussion about which villains to use where.
 
I do have an idea for an fantastic four movie. It'll be an 1960's period piece taking place around the height of the space race with the movie ending with the four (and doom) being trapped in the negative zone until being released from it sometime in present day and due to time being wonky in the negative zone they haven't aged a day. That's all I have and I'm willing to work with someone for this pitch.
 
Kirook said:
First of all, when did we decide that this was what we were doing with Nefaria, rather than (for example) using him to facilitate tying Wonder Man into the whole Grim Reaper/Vision/Ultron/Jocasta situation?

And second of all, as pleased as Dr. Doom would no doubt be to know that he's been the deciding factor in people's votes instead of the Fantastic Four (and especially REED RICHAAAAAAAAARDS!), we do get Marvel's first and at this point arguably best-known super team as part of this purchase with full rights to do with them as we see fit, and that shouldn't be ignored just to have a discussion about which villains to use where.
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I'm not saying I'm against taking the Doom deal, just saying we ought to plan ahead how we could actually incorporate him into the MCU in a harmonious way before we pick him. If people are willing to commit to using him smartly instead of just using him, I would be fine voting for that option.

As for the Nefaria thing, we've already established him as one of the sole experts on actually studying and using the Infinity Stones, and have had him be in close proximity to both the space and power stones already. (Wonder Man and the post credit scene). If his final plot (the one where he makes a big power play and is finally defeated) doesn't involve a stone or two at least, then that's a lot of foreshadowing and build up wasted.

I'm going off the fact that no one else had suggested an alternative and it got a good amount of likes and support when the idea was first introduced, plus I think it ties with his prior experience and mastery of the stones and serves as a big transitionary moment for the MCU if there is in-universe controversy over the actions of the heroes.

King Luffy said:
we dont have to use Doom right away but getting the Fantastic Four away from Fox is a must to stop them from doing any more damage to the Fantastic Fours image.
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I could be convinced to vote for Doom if people were willing to wait for the right moment for it to be done well instead of rushing it. So if more people agree with your line of thinking then I would swap.
 
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[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver (Can't call them Mutants), Skrulls, The Watcher.

Ehbon said:
Speaking of properties we could turn into real money makers, maybe we should finally come up with a plan for the Hulk that throws the Execs a bone? There are some fantastic, off-the-wall Hulk stories that I think we could tell separately from Avengers Phase One before we have him join in on one of the later Avengers movies.

For instance, the coolest Hulk of them all—Worldbreaker Hulk.
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Ye, I'm confident to speak for all of us that we don't want our favorite big green monster to suffer from the worf effect to the extent he did in the OTL. Now, while I am purely going on an assumption, I would understand a possible reason they did it. It's the usual 'Character is too op so let's nerf him to the ground.' choice that writers tend to make. This often comes up during crossover events. Many characters once compentent in their own solo runs frequently suddenly become less so when put into a group. A recent one in comics involves Thor being a boss in his solo run and then this happened in the Avangers comic...

For a while I pondered who would replace Sentry to stop Green Scar Hulk. Then I realized that Thor wasn't present in World War Hulk because he 'died' before that happened in the comics. So since we have our Thor be a true divine god, we could have him be the one to fight Green Scar Hulk to a standstill (or defeat him depending on how we want to do this.). A Thor vs. Green Scar Hulk fight would be such an intense spectacle. Way better than what we got in OTL.
 
I want Doom to be done well, I do not want Doom to the be the F4's first villain most likely, who exactly I'd want I'm not sure, but I'd rather let Doom breathe.

From an Executive decision though we are outright being the most efficient with our money by picking up F4, we would only be removing Fox's rights to use the characters with the Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver pick, picking up Daredevil is a bit wasteful when we have a fair chance to just get the rights to fall back to us (though its not certain). And picking up just some other villains or something is often getting less recognizable and marketable heroes than the Fantastic Four.

It just seems the most likely way to actually not get the executives to side eye us on our expenditures.
 
[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver (Can't call them Mutants), Skrulls, The Watcher.
 
ComiTurtle said:
I want Doom to be done well, I do not want Doom to the be the F4's first villain most likely, who exactly I'd want I'm not sure, but I'd rather let Doom breathe.

From an Executive decision though we are outright being the most efficient with our money by picking up F4, we would only be removing Fox's rights to use the characters with the Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver pick, picking up Daredevil is a bit wasteful when we have a fair chance to just get the rights to fall back to us (though its not certain). And picking up just some other villains or something is often getting less recognizable and marketable heroes than the Fantastic Four.

It just seems the most likely way to actually not get the executives to side eye us on our expenditures.
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agreed id be fine buying Daredevils rights option over the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver option. the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver option seems like a waste of money
 
ComiTurtle said:
I want Doom to be done well, I do not want Doom to the be the F4's first villain most likely, who exactly I'd want I'm not sure, but I'd rather let Doom breathe.
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Somewhat out there idea, but hear me out...

We make Doom our first 'villain' who is the protagonist of his own standalone movie. I feel like he is a character with enough nuance that people could root for him despite his more 'the ends justify the means' mentality.

We can do his whole origin story and let people see the slow progression to the eventuality that is Dr. Doom.
 
King Luffy said:
agreed id be fine buying Daredevils rights option over the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver option. the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver option seems like a waste of money
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I think the Skrulls is the most important part of that option so let's not forgot them in the consideration, especially with Kree already set up.

If we do go with Fantastic Four I wonder if we could convince Robin Willaims to return as Neal Saroyan in their movie as well, we could have him becoming their agent, getting promotional deals and speaking engagements and the like, kind of becoming the Nick Fury / Coulson for the more celebrity heroes.

If I remember right once of the reasons Reed embraced the celebrity culture of the Fantastic Four was he felt like he owed it to the other members as a gift for being the cause of their lives completely changing (especially for Ben's case).

Ehbon said:
Somewhat out there idea, but hear me out...

We make Doom our first 'villain' who is the protagonist of his own standalone movie. I feel like he is a character with enough nuance that people could root for him despite his more 'the ends justify the means' mentality.

We can do his whole origin story and let people see the slow progression to the eventuality that is Dr. Doom.
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I could see that working. Start with him growing up in the backwards country of Latveria (or we don't necessarily have to start there, it could be a flashback) and by the end of the movie he's transitioned it into a Modern Marvel by combining science and magic.

Using political connections & laws to avoid direct confrontation with heroes, but probably also need to have him opposing more "Lawful Evil" characters as well (Former King of Latveria, characters like Senator Sterns, etc) while also uplifting the country and helping the poor to get the people to root for him.

[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Fantastic Four.

I guess I'll vote for it for now and hope people are willing to take it slow and do it right so we can avoid hurting the stuff we've already set up and also ensure that Fantastic Four and Doom are done justice.
 
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[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver (Can't call them Mutants), Skrulls, The Watcher.

Wish we got all the characters instead of just some. :(
 
[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Fantastic Four

So, this is from my perspective as a Fantastic Four fanboy, so take this with a salt shaker or two.

How could we not take this? The F4 are the first modern Marvel superheros, the group that ushered in Marvel superheros, are literally referred to as the first family, and their in the hands of a company that repeatedly butchers them! They have four of the most iconic characters in comics on the main team! Admittedly, most villains we could get beyond Doom and Annihlus don't really have anywhere near as much of an impact, but the Frightful Four, Mole Man, Puppet Master, The Impossible Man (more of a nuisance, I know), Molecule Man, Red Ghost, Mad Thinker, and many more beyond that all have incredible potential for stories with or without the F4!

Plus there's the fact that the other major option isn't acquiring new properties, it's just keeping Fox from using them. While there is value in that, I'd say it's much less valuable than acquiring new characters, especially when the main element of it is the one of the influential groups in the Silver Age onwards.

Well, that's my rant
 
Nystical said:
Using political connections & laws to avoid direct confrontation with heroes, but probably also need to have him opposing more "Lawful Evil" characters as well (Former King of Latveria, characters like Senator Sterns, etc) while also uplifting the country and helping the poor to get the people to root for him.
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You know, as someone who quite liked the Latveria Quest and how Dr. Doom progressed in it. If this is how we will write him, then in memory of the quest I'll change my vote.

[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Fantastic Four.
 
Zvonimir said:
You know, as someone who quite liked the Latveria Quest and how Dr. Doom progressed in it. If this is how we will write him, then in memory of the quest I'll change my vote.

[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Fantastic Four.
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Yeah. Especially if we have Nefaria doing the Bagalia stone overhaul idea first, Doom can easily use the established precedent in a smug legal way, which I think would be very entertaining.

I think it makes sense for Doom to be wise enough to watch the state of the world, from both a technological, political, and magical point of view, see Nefaria's plot unfold in the news and Nefaria's failure turned Martyrdom as evidence that shows the world is ready for him to begin his plans for Latveria. Perhaps he's had his plans to overhaul the country for years but wanted to wait until he knew the people wanted it, if we're going for a protagonist Doom then we need to show him caring about the people of Latveria's will.

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And I see *that* (Doom caring about the people) as yet another way to have Doom be seen as a better person (and ruler) than Nefaria. Not only does he have magic, but he also cares about the people of his country, while we can say Nefaria was more in it for the power and glory for himself. (Despite the fact that after his death he was seen as a Martyr, but that could just be good PR / spin by people after his death that do it because they have a bone to pick with the heroes more so than anything to do with Nefaria)
 
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Nystical's actually halfway swayed me to the Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver option, but I believe we can still use them in future projects regardless.

[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Fantastic Four.

overmind said:
You would need all of them for the confrontation ahead as you prepared to present your case to the Creative Committee for buying back the rights to Deadpool. You've had the character in your mind ever since you saw the travesty that Fox did to him. You know very well that Marvel is trying to get their properties back, and they would rather begin with more profitable ones like Ghost Rider, Luke Cage, or even The Punisher.
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inukai44 said:
Oof I don't think we could afford another character without sending marvel into the red again let's just get wade and go.
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inukai44 said:
Guys I really think we should just take wade and go. Spending a billion dollars is going to piss off the execs.
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Bolded and Red'd for emphasis. Marvel is gonna be aware getting the IPs back will cost a pretty penny. The argument to make here is that valuing F4 and Deadpool at 1 billion dollars will make every other repurchase at least as expensive. But since QM has outright said a no here would mean it costs more later, that counterargument doesn't really fly.
 
It could be a good idea to wait until an X-Men movie crashes and burns so that Marvel can recover every mutant and mutant-related character in one fell swoop.
 
[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Fantastic Four.
What about just leaving Doom to Marvel's really interesting phases? Hell, of course I understand, this is a cinematic universe, we have a huge choice in choosing an enemy. Literally, not everything consists of Doom fans. "A magically technological dictator with almost omnipotent potential locked in a childish confrontation with F4" is not the only option.

And this is also the reason why there is another option.
[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver (Can't call them Mutants), Skrulls, The Watcher.
Although we have no right to call them mutants, we can always steal parahumans or something like that, because it's not the 60s, we don't call people who differ in the percentage of the genome "inhuman abomination".

And Skrulls. These are literally awesome characters for integration into the MCU in the format of a comic galactic Cold War, for which Earth is another battlefield. The oppositional invasion of the Skrulls for the reason of "Well, the main thing is not Kree" and vice versa is a small coup in the motivation of the invasion of Earth.
 
[X] [Buy] Deadpool+Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver (Can't call them Mutants), Skrulls, The Watcher.

SW and Quicksilver are great for setting up as heel turn characters.

Also, if we want to do multiverse early, we can have them be from another Multiverse "We don't want to talk about it" and leave their background unknown, but let fans guess it was after House of M went wrong or similar bad idea Wanda arcs.
 
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