The Foreigner - "This time, he does want trouble."



So Jackie's back with a new film, with Brosnan as a villain, and it looks pretty fun. Directed by the guy who did Casino Royale, so it seems to be in good hands so far.
Besides, Vietnamese Rambo Dad vs. Evil Irish James Bond. How can I not watch it?
 
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Ever wanted to see Jackie Chan avenge the murder of his daughter by beating the shit out of numerous Irishmen?

And also Pierce Brosnan is Martin McGuiness?

Now you can!



That shot where Chan leaps from the wall onto his victim resembles nothing so much as a horror film, and the idea of the nicest kung-fu fightin' man in the business taking the place of the implacable monster is too much fun to ignore.

What do we think?
 
i think this movie has a thread already.
 
I have a number of concerns about this movie:

One, Jackie is very much getting older, meaning that he probably can't pull off the kind of stunts he used to pull off when he was younger. I'm concerned that much like other aging action movie stars (e.g. Steven Seagal, Bruce Willis) they'll use a great number of cuts to cover up the frailty of an aging Jackie Chan. The trailer, which has cuts all over the place, doesn't exactly make me feel better.

Two, this is a Western production, and as we see from other Western-produced movies with Jackie Chan in it (Around The World in Eighty Days, Shanghai Noon), Western directors and editors are pretty terrible at cutting martial arts action and are unwilling to provide the budget to allow shooting longer fight scenes, as more and more mistakes happen in longer action movie cuts and thus take more time and money.

Three, the emphasis on gunplay in the trailer concerns me, as using guns generally makes directors lazy at portraying good action scenes by allowing a massive number of cuts (with only a few exceptions, like John Wick). I hope they emphasize the kind of situational environmental duels and resourcefulness Jackie Chan movies and his characters are known for, but... Urghhhhhh, I don't know.

Four, I'm worried that this movie may end up accidentally racist by playing on people's fears of the Nondescript Dangerous Immigrant/Foreigner, much like other action movies in this genre have before (like Taken). I mean, it all depends on how sympathetically Jackie Chan's character in this movie is written, but as it is right now, I'm not optimistic.

Five, the dialogue and writing so far is completely unimpressive to the point of cliché.

...Man, I really want this movie to be good, but this really isn't encouraging. :/
 
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One, Jackie is very much getting older, meaning that he probably can't pull off the kind of stunts he used to pull off when he was younger. I'm concerned that much like other aging action movie stars (e.g. Steven Seagal, Bruce Willis) they'll use a great number of cuts to cover up the frailty of an aging Jackie Chan. The trailer, which has cuts all over the place, doesn't exactly make me feel better.

Two, this is a Western production, and as we see from other Western-produced movies with Jackie Chan in it (Around The World in Eighty Days, Shanghai Noon), Western directors and editors are pretty terrible at cutting martial arts action and are unwilling to provide the budget to allow shooting longer fight scenes, as more and more mistakes happen in longer action movie cuts and thus take more time and money.

Three, the emphasis on gunplay in the trailer concerns me, as using guns generally makes directors lazy at portraying good action scenes by allowing a massive number of cuts (with only a few exceptions, like John Wick). I hope they emphasize the kind of situational environmental duels and resourcefulness Jackie Chan movies and his characters are known for, but... Urghhhhhh, I don't know.
Jackie Chan* has been trying to diversify away from being kung fu star though. He did movie with where he did no fighting before.

Rewatching the trailer again, it does looks like it will contain fights, including hand-to-hand, but I'm not going to dissapointed if it end up focusing more on other aspects beside kung fu fight scenes (as long the rest of it is good of course). To be honest, the theme doesn't set me for an expectation of kung fu either, and more of something like a thriller.
Four, I'm worried that this movie may end up accidentally racist by playing on people's fears of the Nondescript Dangerous Immigrant/Foreigner, much like other action movies in this genre have before (like Taken). I mean, it all depends on how sympathetically Jackie Chan's character in this movie is written, but as it is right now, I'm not optimistic.
This is reasonable worry.
Five, the dialogue and writing so far is completely unimpressive to the point of cliché.
This is rather premature though?


*BTW, is awkward to call him just 'Jackie' because of our local Jackie, while shortening it to 'JC" bring up a different association >> , and it doesn't feel right to me refer someone as 'Chan' because the homophonicity (Homographicality? Homonymity?) with the japanese honorific. :V
 
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I have a number of concerns about this movie:

One, Jackie is very much getting older, meaning that he probably can't pull off the kind of stunts he used to pull off when he was younger. I'm concerned that much like other aging action movie stars (e.g. Steven Seagal, Bruce Willis) they'll use a great number of cuts to cover up the frailty of an aging Jackie Chan. The trailer, which has cuts all over the place, doesn't exactly make me feel better.

Two, this is a Western production, and as we see from other Western-produced movies with Jackie Chan in it (Around The World in Eighty Days, Shanghai Noon), Western directors and editors are pretty terrible at cutting martial arts action and are unwilling to provide the budget to allow shooting longer fight scenes, as more and more mistakes happen in longer action movie cuts and thus take more time and money.

Three, the emphasis on gunplay in the trailer concerns me, as using guns generally makes directors lazy at portraying good action scenes by allowing a massive number of cuts (with only a few exceptions, like John Wick). I hope they emphasize the kind of situational environmental duels and resourcefulness Jackie Chan movies and his characters are known for, but... Urghhhhhh, I don't know.

Four, I'm worried that this movie may end up accidentally racist by playing on people's fears of the Nondescript Dangerous Immigrant/Foreigner, much like other action movies in this genre have before (like Taken). I mean, it all depends on how sympathetically Jackie Chan's character in this movie is written, but as it is right now, I'm not optimistic.

Five, the dialogue and writing so far is completely unimpressive to the point of cliché.

...Man, I really want this movie to be good, but this really isn't encouraging. :/
I'm not too worried about the whole scary foreigner bit; from the trailer it looks like the film is going the exact opposite direction with a cowboy blowing in from out of town to right the wrongs that have been festering for so long.

The rest yeah; Campbell has a very hit or miss resume so I'm going to call myself cautiously optimistic at best
 
Just finishes watching it. Entertaining.

It bothers me that this movie continues to perpetuate the myth of 'enhanced interrogation'. It is somewhat accepatable when it is done by a terrorist group member, despite itd success.
It is another thing entirely when it is done by the police, and how solve timely and accurately the last bombing

The fighting naturally wasn't as intense as Jackie Chan's younger days, and it did materialize @Fernandel 's concenrn of 'cuts all over' above. I already know it will be thecase tho, so i'm not bothered. The fighting IMO was the more boring part of the movie for me. Maybe that should cause of disappointment or ground for criticim instead apathy, but eh.

It was enjoyable movie otherwise.

Edit: oh the didnt hide his frailty. In fact they draw attention to the fact that Jackie Chan's character is old.
 
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