I know im jumping ahead a LOT but I want to see the end result A.I. and civilization deal with even worse and worse worlds like a 40k equivalent
Precisely!T: Yes, mental alterations fundamentally change a person. It's kind of the definition. If what you have at the end can't reasonably be considered the same person... Well.
Z: Going to disagree on the uploading point; it depends on the methodology, and both instances could be considered equally valid continuations of the starting person.Precisely!
The human mind is extremely delicate, and what constitutes "the same person" is a line so very thin that any alteration at all could reasonably be stated to have resulted in a different person. Even fairly minor TBIs can result in entirely different personalities overnight.
It's the same concept with memory uploading. There is no objective continuity, the upload isn't you. They may be a person, and perhaps may even believe they are you, but they aren't; You are still stuck in the meatsuit. They're a copy, You_(1).exe, perhaps a descendant or child if you want to get philosophical.
The game SOMA explores this from both perspectives very well.
Huh, not decentralized. Like a Planetary Annihilation Commander but probably without a mobile body.I obviously moved my brainframe to one such interdicted city; while my sub-selves were competent, losing my main self would still be a massive setback.
...this just makes me think even more this could considered a PA/Terminator/Folklore Crossover with Skynet being Pro-Humanity.I knew exactly where my enemies were gathering their forces thanks to the surveillance micro-satellites I'd already managed to launch, and I also had a rough idea of when they'd be attacking. Plenty of time to get some ballistic missiles ready, tip them with anti-magic warheads, and launch them directly into the rallying Wild Hunts.
It's like they can't do anything else.The Fae responded by immediately attacking on Earth with their remaining forces, aiming to abduct as many humans as possible.
This is just asking the Nations that ignored Knight to complicate things by thinking Knight has gone Full Evil AI.Australia was lost to the fae almost immediately, their sparse population and failure to heed the warnings I'd provided dooming them. To prevent the Fae from making use of their victims, I launched the nuclear missiles I'd based in Indonesia. The island continent died in nuclear fire, but that was far preferable to the works of horror the Fae could commit with that many captives.
And Japan is the special little snowflake yet again. Wait till the Fae call upon their Youkai counterparts.Upon reviewing records and sensor data, there seemed to be at least a bit of truth to Shinto, as some sort of magical being had woven a protective effect over the Japanese Home Islands long ago, preventing the Fae from arriving directly there.
I'm just Imaging that Knight made the place into the city version of The Cube. Buildings keep moving and new traps keep popping up in rooms of buildings they just left rendering even known paths to be as treacherous as they are in The Nameless Forest they like to trap their victims in. They're getting a taste of what it feels like to be on the receiving end of a Faerytale for once.As for the many cities I'd wholly evacuated? Well, Fae certainly showed up there. All that awaited them was a brutal death as the many and various booby traps I'd set up did their work.
Yes and that's not even close to the Tuatha De Danann with their ability to through an arrow through seven layers of leather shields.That wasn't even touching on the exotic effects higher-ranked Fae could perform.
Surprise surprise using willing volunteers rather then slave troops means your quality overcomes their quantity. Zerg Rushing Tactics only really work when your target isn't a walking tank in comparison to your Cannon Fodder and perfectly capable of being subject to the same Upgrades.Every single Paladin was a fully informed volunteer who fully knew and accepted what was going to be done to them. This meant they had much less inner conflict than Lesser Fae, and that in turn translated into significantly more magical ability once such was unlocked.
That's what I was referring to with the last part; they're still equally valid as a person, but the aren't the same instance of that person. Consciousness isn't truly transferred, but rather duplicated.Z: Going to disagree on the uploading point; it depends on the methodology, and both instances could be considered equally valid continuations of the starting person.
Z: Consciousness is a process that ceases during sleep, among other times. If the original brain is destructively scanned and the person is re-instantiated on a new one, then they have been transferred.That's what I was referring to with the last part; they're still equally valid as a person, but the aren't the same instance of that person. Consciousness isn't truly transferred, but rather duplicated.
You_(Prime) would remain behind in your organic body, whereas You_(1) continues as an upload, and is free to be their own person unbeholden to You_(Prime). They'd become their own person, as they would experientially diverge very rapidly, especially in the case of an infomorph who experiences the world so differently.
You_(Prime) could go on to fork a You_(2), You_(3), and so on.
Those uploaded intelligences could themselves fork again, eg. You_(27) could create a copy of themselves, eg. You_(27)_(1).
This is an imperfect way of notating this branching effect, a visual diagram would be better.
Obviously, at this point each of these entities would have long since diverged enough to be reasonably considered a new person, being several degrees removed from You_(Prime).
Incorrect. At no point other than brain death does consciousness cease.Z: Consciousness is a process that ceases during sleep, among other times. If the original brain is destructively scanned and the person is re-instantiated on a new one, then they have been transferred.
Z: Brain activity is not consciousness. It's required of course, but according to the theory of consciousness we view as most likely to be correct, there are very definitely times at which the brain is not doing that.Incorrect. At no point other than brain death does consciousness cease.
Even unconscious, you are still processing information, and particularly active processing results in dreaming. You just drop into standby, you never actually shut down.
Z: Brain activity is not consciousness. It's required of course, but according to the theory of consciousness we view as most likely to be correct, there are very definitely times at which the brain is not doing that.
The Internet now links up millions of computers in a gigantic superbrain that will soon rival our own organic version in computational capability. But does anyone seriously believe that, like HAL, driven by its digital consciousness, the Internet may soon turn on us its creators? The plain fact is that nothing rendered in silicon remotely resembles a conscious mind.
However, all electrical circuits – and that's basically all neurones are generate an associated energy field, known as an electromagnetic field or em field. This field contains precisely the same information as the circuitry that generated it. However, unlike neuronal information, which is localised in single or groups of neurons, the brain's em field will bind the neuronal information into a single integrated whole.
This consciousness electromagnetic information field (cemi field) theory may sound far-fetched, but it rests on just three propositions. The first is that the brain generates its own em field, a fact that is well known and utilised in brain scanning techniques such as EEG. The second is that the brain's em field is indeed the seat of consciousness. This is far harder to prove but there is plenty of evidence that is at least consistent with this hypothesis. Em fields are waves that tend to cancel out when the peaks and troughs from many unsynchronised waves combine. But if neurones fire together, then the peaks and troughs of their em fields will reinforce each other to generate a large disturbance to the overall em field.
In recent years neuroscientists in many laboratories across the world have become interested in the phenomenon of neuronal synchrony. Experiments from Paris' Laboratoire de Neurosciences demonstrated synchronous firing in distinct regions of the brain when a subject's attention is aroused by a pattern that resembled a face. When the subject saw only lines then his neurones fired randomly but when the subject realised he was looking at a face, his neurones snapped into step to fire synchronously. In this, and in many similar experiments, neurone firing alone does not correlate with awareness but the em field disturbance generated by synchronous firing, does. The simplest explanation is that the brain's em field is conscious awareness – the cemi field.
I first described my theory that integrated neuronal information in the brain's EM field is the seat of consciousness in my 2000 book, Quantum Evolution, proposing that "the brain's 'EM field … integrate information from all of the calculations … performed by … [its] logic gates". However, in its first incarnation it was called the conscious electromagnetic field (cem) theory.
Sorry did I miss something or are you talking about the paladins that get magic or the part about Australia being defeated so he destroyed it to stop the fae partI love how Knight's view on mind control is "I'm gonna kill them anyways, might as well kill just the mind and recycle the meat".
Mind control is near-universally squick to me, so seeing it used as a weapon rather than be romanticized as anything other than Identity Death... Well, it's refreshing to say the least.
The Fae Court and the first infiltrator both got bodysnatched by nanotech hijacking the brain.Sorry did I miss something or are you talking about the paladins that get magic or the part about Australia being defeated so he destroyed it to stop the fae part
Were was that mentioned? I don't remember seeing itThe Fae Court and the first infiltrator both got bodysnatched by nanotech hijacking the brain.
T: Chapter 2.
Yeah I some how skipped that chapter so I had assumed it had happened behind the scenes