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Plus, being vague and not introducing things properly and referring to people mainly by titles is how Fallen London works. So complaining that a crossover featuring it does the same is like complaining that the ninjas in a Naruto crossover aren't stealthy assassins. Sure it's true, but it's not the fic's fault you dislike the canon it's based on.
Referring to people by titles was not something I had any problem with. It was actually an interesting element. The problem was having essentially zero grasp of what these people looked like. No description. What do the people look like? Well, Macgyver's younger than he was when he went in and still has his mullet. Probably, people took shots at his hair and I assumed that was what they meant. That's all I got aside from pronouns and guesses based on personality. Sometimes a bit of clothing. They have a boat. What does it look like? "She's a sweet little five-berth ship. Lots of furniture sewn out of cushions so nobody gets hurt when we get flung about in a storm, it's very cozy. Hardly needs any attention once her boiler's up, and keeps such a steady course." That's all we get, aside from a mention that it can't fight shit. It has a bridge and an engine, it's small, and it also appears to be a 'zubmarine' though this isn't mentioned until it just starts being able to go underwater. So, like, what does it look like? Dunno. What do the places look like? Dunno. Ruins, probably, because that's the only real detail we get. They dock at some sphinxes that are ruins and probably stolen by bats like the rest. So, probably ruins abound. But, like, are they built over? Repaired? Built around? People live all over the place, but in what? Fallen London is London. And old. And flammable. That's all I've got here. There's a Khan or a Khanate and they're kind of bad? Maybe? They just sort of show up at one point and the protagonists are vaguely opposed but that's like all I've got. There's some place that's sunnier than some other place and I guess I'm supposed to care?

Regarding vagueness? Again, I get the "shit's weird sit back and ride the ride" thing. That's basically Welcome to Nightvale's whole thing and that's great. But there was no explanation, no sense of stakes. No idea what anything looks like, what anything is, what anybody's doing. The Student is looking for enigmas for his thesis, and that is the whole storytelling engine as to why they're faffing about all over the place. How is this done? Dunno. What is an enigma? 33 chapters in and I have no idea, but there's a Searing one that MacGyver could find and show to people only that was a London enigma and therefore the wrong kind. These could be anything from trading cards to secrets of the universe for all I know. They're worth capitalizing and have a searing variant and aren't just anything mysterious. That's literally all I got. Googling it, it seems to be some sort of puzzle or maybe meta-puzzle the game has that it doesn't want people talking about. Maybe. I got directed to a game thing called 'Ambition: Enigma' which appears to be that, but a searing enigma is also some sort of item drop that's important for some stuff I guess. So I dunno. Which means that not only does the story not give any idea what this is or how it is important, but I literally could not turn to external sources to figure out what the fuck was even going on or why I should care. The only other hint of overplot is some sort of Operation Azimuth. Mentioned around ch10, but it took like 20 chapters to get even a hint of what that was. They need to steal an engine or something, that does something unclear. Goes to the stars, only I don't know how or why that matters to anything because all that background mentions of things like sunlight smuggling and mushrooms and a general impression of down and tunnels made me think they were underground only now space is a thing I guess. They are of course stealing it from someone unclear for someone unclear for reasons unclear. I kind of stopped caring because, again, MacGyver doesn't even remember his own name anymore and I still had no idea what was happening or why.

And as a MacGyver story, as mentioned, this is a miserable failure. MacGyver's the only character to appear and he basically just does engineer things. Sometimes he goes and talks innocent at people and this is amusing and strange to the other characters. Wahoo? He doesn't seem to have any kind of goal or motivation save to just wander around and write letters that don't matter because he's in a weird otherworld that is also in the past and can't get them to his friends. I'm just so eager to know what he does next. Maybe he'll work on the engine some more, or maybe he'll amuse people by being weird to them. He's just got so much going on.

Queen Victoria traded London to bats; that's all you start with in canon and it's all you should start with in a fic.
33 chapters in and that's all I fucking have. And the Queen Victoria shit is from external sources. I don't know what anything or anyone looks like, I don't know where anything is, I don't know why they're going anywhere, and I don't know why I should care about any of it.

Research has revealed that Fallen London and Sunless Sea appear to be about exploration/discovery of weird creepy shit in a weird creepy world, but this fanfic doesn't have any sense of discovery. I don't know what any of this shit is and it doesn't want to tell me.
 
. . . yeah, that's about right for the Neath.

I can tell you that the captain probably glows irrigo at this point--that's a sort of light purple that no one can remember. I can tell you that the Salt Lions are probably from the Second City and that the Khanate is what's left of the Fourth. I can even link you to a game the author made where you can wander around the ship. But it's a Fallen London story with one character from another franchise added in, if you don't like the way the Neath works then it's not my problem.
 
. . . yeah, that's about right for the Neath.

I can tell you that the captain probably glows irrigo at this point--that's a sort of light purple that no one can remember. I can tell you that the Salt Lions are probably from the Second City and that the Khanate is what's left of the Fourth. I can even link you to a game the author made where you can wander around the ship. But it's a Fallen London story with one character from another franchise added in, if you don't like the way the Neath works then it's not my problem.
No, I watched the trailer for Sunless Sea and already I have a much better grasp of what the fuck is going on in that game than I do for the fic. The fic presumes you already know what it's 'showing' you. If you do, that probably works. But if you don't...
 
No, I watched the trailer for Sunless Sea and already I have a much better grasp of what the fuck is going on in that game than I do for the fic. The fic presumes you already know what it's 'showing' you. If you do, that probably works. But if you don't...
I suppose that's true, but so do most fanfics.
 
I suppose that's true, but so do most fanfics.
Most fanfics don't belong on a best damn fics list.

Like I said, this could very well be good Fallen London fanfiction. I can't really judge that. But that's all it is. It's nonfunctional as a crossover and as MacGyver fanfic, because it fails to convey just about anything and the MacGyver elements are nonexistent outside of MacGyver himself. And even then, if you changed like two names and a couple of sentences you wouldn't be able to tell it was him. Not like this is a story about Mac - the Student's the one with the main storytelling engine, and Mac barely has a motivation and does essentially nothing to further it.
 
Crossovers can be good. If it either one was finished I'd be recommending Harry and the Shipgirls (HP/Kantai Collection) and Constellations (Worm/Okami)
I am pre-reccing Constellations. I know that's not a thing and probably shouldn't be for a whole bunch of reasons, but dammit it's so fucking good. Only piece of Worm fanfic I ever stuck with and loved.
 
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Yo, I just remembered a fic I really enjoyed, its a post-canon Gravity Falls fic told from the rotating POV of other (mostly original) characters about what Dipper and Mabel get up to after the summer. Link

(Sorry for the previous version of this post, I only had a handful of seconds before I'd be outside of the WiFi signal's range)
 
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Most fanfics don't belong on a best damn fics list.
I don't think it's fair to disqualify a piece of fanfiction for well, being fanfiction. Most pieces of fanfiction would be worse if they stopped and explained every aspect of the source material, as it would be a massive waste of time for nearly everyone who read them. You are talking about a crossover and you seem to feel that you should be able to understand it while only knowing one side. However, this is really not something that most authors intend. If they did, then crossovers would end up really bloated.

I don't think saying that a reader's lack of knowledge of the source material is not grounds for a derec is any stranger than objecting to someone who picks up The Return of the King and dismisses it as too confusing without reading the first two books.
 
I don't think it's fair to disqualify a piece of fanfiction for well, being fanfiction. Most pieces of fanfiction would be worse if they stopped and explained every aspect of the source material, as it would be a massive waste of time for nearly everyone who read them. You are talking about a crossover and you seem to feel that you should be able to understand it while only knowing one side. However, this is really not something that most authors intend. If they did, then crossovers would end up really bloated.

I don't think saying that a reader's lack of knowledge of the source material is not grounds for a derec is any stranger than objecting to someone who picks up The Return of the King and dismisses it as too confusing without reading the first two books.
First, this is not a general rec thread this is a 'best damn fics you've ever read' thread.

Second, this is well beyond it just 'being fanfiction'. It's not like I'm (just) confused by oddities of the setting. The fic just... names stuff and that's supposed to be convey things. Return of the King still uses enough descriptors that you'd know what people look like. Return of the King still describes cities and places enough to paint an image, even if earlier books had already gone there. This fic doesn't do that. It does not explain what anyone or anything looks like. Most of these chapters take place on some sort of boat-submarine, and basically the entire description is that it's small. Most of these characters appear to be OCs of some description, going by Sunless Sea having crew building mechanics (and thus probably not a set cast). Don't know what they look like. It is very sparse on detail.

Third, this does nothing to address my complaints with how it basically isn't a MacGyver fanfic. Again, Mac is the only piece which crosses over, and he basically just is the ship's engineer. He acts a little weird as far as the rest of the cast is concerned, but that's about all he does. He barely has a motivation, does essentially nothing to further that motivation, and is basically not really Mac in any important capacity. All you'd have to change is his name and the names in his letters to hide that this even is a 'MacGyver crossover'. A crossover where if you changed the name a lot of people wouldn't have a clue it was a crossover is not a crossover. It's an easter egg.
 
This is pretty great fic as far as I'm concerned. The people who know the setting like it too, which is a damn good start.

I honestly don't know why you need those details so badly. I can get a pretty good idea just from their personalities. It may not be the same exact idea the writer had, but that just gives you more leeway. Considering that almost everyone has a description for a name that's more information than a lot of novels.

Again, I barely have a clue who MacGyver is. Feel free to not like it, whatever, but this isn't relevant to me.
 
This is pretty great fic as far as I'm concerned. The people who know the setting like it too, which is a damn good start.

I honestly don't know why you need those details so badly. I can get a pretty good idea just from their personalities. It may not be the same exact idea the writer had, but that just gives you more leeway. Considering that almost everyone has a description for a name that's more information than a lot of novels.

Again, I barely have a clue who MacGyver is. Feel free to not like it, whatever, but this isn't relevant to me.

Suppose that the author had nailed the MacGyver portions and butchered the part you care about. Would that change your opinion in any way?
 
I can't tell if he's right about that, though, so it's rather hard to have an opinion on it.

If you do not know enough to determine that a character was butchered, perhaps you should defer to the persons who do know enough. And for the hypothetical question I asked it is entirely irrelevant. You would know that the part you were aware of and knew about had been butchered.

So, again, I ask: if you reversed the natures of what was being written poorly, so that MacGyver was dealt with excellently and Fallen London was handled so thoroughly out of character/setting, would you consider that sufficient reason to lodge a derec?
 
If you do not know enough to determine that a character was butchered, perhaps you should defer to the persons who do know enough. And for the hypothetical question I asked it is entirely irrelevant. You would know that the part you were aware of and knew about had been butchered.

So, again, I ask: if you reversed the natures of what was being written poorly, so that MacGyver was dealt with excellently and Fallen London was handled so thoroughly out of character/setting, would you consider that sufficient reason to lodge a derec?
Point.

Honestly, this thread doesn't seem to be good for much except raising my blood pressure. I think I'll leave.
 
Hachin by Eduard Kassel
A dramatic turn of events in the Pass alters the course of destiny. The surviving Huns return to their homeland to fight another day, taking with them the one who stole their victory. Now Mulan faces life as a captive the Huns. AU Worldbuilding; No Lemon. Rated M for Mature due to Combat.
I'm reading this right now and I have to say, while the ideas are interesting, the writing is really difficult to parse. I think I'm dereccing it. This sentence in particular just boggles me:
The mighty Shan-Yu had dug his way from the frozen grave, but wolf like eyes had shown him his mighty army had not been so face was fierce, but not feral all attention seized by a pair of wolflike eyes which betrayed a predators rage that filled him at his perfect plans and victory so swiftly destroyed was given voice.
It's sad because it does have potential, but I think it needs more editing before it can be considered for the list.
 
I'm reading this right now and I have to say, while the ideas are interesting, the writing is really difficult to parse. I think I'm dereccing it. This sentence in particular just boggles me:

It's sad because it does have potential, but I think it needs more editing before it can be considered for the list.
*cries at what they did to poor unsuspecting grammar*

That seriously hurts to look at.
 
Derec for Broken Bow, while the writing is decent the MC's introduction and character is pretty shoddy. We're never really given much back story other than the situation of his birth.

What more backstory would you want? I can't think of any unresolved questions I had.

Having reread it this week, I'll grant that the fourth and fifth stories are a bit weaker than the others - still good, but not Best Damn Fic levels. I'm keeping my rec for the first three though.
 
Yeah, pretty much he has the TSAB act like an actual real-life government and work toward solving the immediate problems, much as they act in Nanoha canon, as opposed to acting like the noblebright jingoistic America Fuck Yeah fictional governments you see in absolute schlock like Stargate who refuse to compromise with terrorists even when the alternative is their stubbornness logically should gets millions of people killed over past sins that have nothing to do with the present situation..

Nah, he had them written like france in 1940. "Oh, the mass genociders allow us to continue to live for a while (at least most) if we make them our ruler? Sure, Hail Germania!".

Your example is so absolutley 100% inverse from what happens in the fic that I can only assume you argue in bad faith. I know its RWBY is bad, but your kind of argument would be like being pro Wolfram and Hart in Angel because "Those guys are professional adults and even passed the bar exam. Not some immature teenager!".

From an outside perspective, it feels like yes, the ending is not an asspull, but was planned from the beginning. But it also feels like the fic grew in the telling to the point that the conclusion _became_ bad. Like with How I met your Mother, for example.

If one looks at the whole story not as "What if a TSAB ship with Nanoha and co crashed on Remnant", but as "What if Salem was an el Hazardian remnant?", then it might be an interesting take. But the problem is that there are 100ks of words of the former in the middle of a few k words of the latter.


Emphasis mine.

The trilogy is un-complete, but Cenotaph is.
The trilogy also seriously nosedives in quality, from a real fic to pretentious Taylor wank, which kinda taints Cenotaph retroactively.
 
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What more backstory would you want? I can't think of any unresolved questions I had.

Having reread it this week, I'll grant that the fourth and fifth stories are a bit weaker than the others - still good, but not Best Damn Fic levels. I'm keeping my rec for the first three though.

Derecing Broken Bow. Bad characterisation of the gods, and the main character is obnoxious. Shouty angry dipshits aren't good protagonists, and more fic writers need to realise this.
 
The show is really not anything special from what I've seen with my niece, but people can write some really entertaining fanfics based on it. Here's a few more MLP fanfics for this thread.

Seconding that recc. It's utterly brilliant, captures Shawn perfectly, and generally makes me long for a sequel so very much. Shawn giving Lassie shit for making all the same cultural faux pas that he did would be solid gold.

I don't think it's fair to disqualify a piece of fanfiction for well, being fanfiction. Most pieces of fanfiction would be worse if they stopped and explained every aspect of the source material, as it would be a massive waste of time for nearly everyone who read them. You are talking about a crossover and you seem to feel that you should be able to understand it while only knowing one side. However, this is really not something that most authors intend. If they did, then crossovers would end up really bloated.

I don't think saying that a reader's lack of knowledge of the source material is not grounds for a derec is any stranger than objecting to someone who picks up The Return of the King and dismisses it as too confusing without reading the first two books.

I absolutely disagree. Almost any fanfic benefits from being written on the assumption that a reader knows nothing about the canon. It leads to fics that actually stand on their own and develop things themselves instead of using canon as a crutch and those are the really good ones.

Point.

Honestly, this thread doesn't seem to be good for much except raising my blood pressure. I think I'll leave.

The key to this thread seems to me to lie in not getting personally invested in whether a fic passes the bar or not.

It doesn't have to be the best for you to enjoy it, and it failing to pass the test doesn't mean you're dumb or anything. No point getting upset either way.

On the subject of which, here's a recc. Best MGSV fic I could find after a week or so of looking.

Ricochet is a mid length fic detailing the events of the game and slightly beyond from the perspective of Quiet. The author strikes a good balance between various takes on the character (not too innocent and passive, not too wild and ill-fitting with the canon) and manages to give a pretty interesting perspective on the events of the game.
 
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Question for everybody, do we count fics that have ongoing/dead sequels as complete? As in, complete first book/fic, with a sequel somewhere down the line that's not done yet.
 
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