Terra Nullius - Free Humans in the Era Indomitus Quest

[] Plan: Political Pluralism
-[] Hyperspace Tap
-[][Exiles] None

Okay but hear me out. What if we exiled no one? Got literally everyone together to create a third Milieu. Seems kinda in the optimistic spirit of the original Robot-Human-Zenos alliance.
 
[] Plan: Political Pluralism
-[] Hyperspace Tap
-[][Exiles] None

Okay but hear me out. What if we exiled no one? Got literally everyone together to create a third Milieu. Seems kinda in the optimistic spirit of the original Robot-Human-Zenos alliance.
We explicitly have to exile one group. At least from what I understand
 
A grave and frenetic energy animates their politics, a vibrant democracy based on merit (and sponsorship by certain prominent families) and cutthroat political power brokerages
In some regards the Jacolliots are a natural foil to the Lemscolari, but rather than finding faith in the power of the Warp or the beauty of self-sacrifice, the radicals have their own particular faith: a god of Good Government.
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This surety of their own success is built on experimentation- their finest polysci think-tanks and international relations theorists have spent decades and centuries developing and testing models of government in complex simulations.

[Founders] The Third Milieu reestablishes strong democracy and becomes more resistant to bureaucratic corruption.
just realized that both parties are democracies and while the former invites Chaos, the latter will reinforce the government to strong and resistant to Corruption; if both are kept, i'm assuming that the increased Chaos corruption and increase Corruption resist cancel each other out but we keep the mystism/warp prowess and remove Idemarche threat from forming

do we accept both parties to keep enemies from being created and better warp research? or do we banish the Lemscolari and have a super robust Government?
A thousand years of history since the triumph over Chaos saw another slide into it: the Wars of Diaspora.
also we have beat out "Chaos" so any of the remaining "corruption" are the good aspects of the dark gods, the ones that promote Life, Joy, Ambition, and Triumph instead of the bad stuff
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[] The real threats
-[ ] Gellar Iris
-[ ] The Vestige Mechanica

While The Lemscolari seem to be a threat due to chaos, it can likely be curtained by emphasizing the Triune Deities. So rather than have potentially dangerous cults seeking to destroy the warpsun defense system in secret its best to handle it over a period of time. Potentially this will even let us understand the dangerous of chaos better. With Gellar Iris, warp based threats are a long way off. The Vestige Mechanica on the other hand are a rapidly advancing group of sentient robots that are remembering the good old days of when they almost destroyed humanity.
 
I really think that the void spindle and the tap are like, golden calfs. They're just better versions we have already, rather than being a radically new capacity. Also I just don't think the warp is stable enough to be the basis of our organs of production.

IMHO we should either exile None or just central government. Maybe the reactionary grav sled guys but even then.

Edit: Exiling the Vestige Mechanica seems bad cause then they'll want to kill us.
 
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would the negative of exiling of the 2 Milieu be be mitigated if given a strong democracy that has its people act as a strong and educated check upon crueler policies?

or rather would having the people require a majority agree to the concept of "X cruelty is a required sacrifice for Y progress to occur, am I willing to be said sacrifice?"

Strong democracy but violence seems like France. Lots of riots and political discord but also a lot of freedom and democracy.
 
Edit: Exiling the Vestige Mechanica seems bad cause then they'll want to kill us.
And? From what I read the group is one that feels disenfranchised in the government and has retreated to a far off corner to build death robots because they feel nostalgic for the people that ended the Age of Technology. Their will likely be conflict in the future so its best to curtail their development & fight them now. Besides some conflict is needed to grow our combat & defensive capacities.
 
None is also an option.
random idea
[Founders] Baseline technology may stagnate somewhat.
imagine the 2nd Millieu dropping a list of regulations/demands for a peaceful transaction of power into the 3rd Millieu

1. all we want is an extensive legal framework protecting the environment and the rights of the sentient mind, everything after this is just rehashing and clarifying what other parties can(and therefore must) provide and what a curtail of what they are doing wrong

[Founders] Increasing mysticism in the Third Milieu.
1. stop that sun worship, thats just chaos; other than that you can have your religious freedom
[Founders] The Third Millieu's robotics technology improves significantly.
2. the Millieu's is a union of policies, so racism goes against that; stop conflicting with the Galatechs and being a cargo cult, you can improve upon your creators work as long you don't commit violations of laws
[Founders] Improved gravcraft technology.
3. you hate Millieu's and genetic manipulation while benefiting from it, at least contribute to the government if you want to influence and regulate self-modification
[Founders] Significant advances in medical technology.
4. . . . i see no problem with what your doing
(OOC other than feeling the warp, whats their negatives?)
4a. please don't genocide our pysker population, that's racist and goes against a unified Millieu; you can help manage the pysker pop ratio into a manageable level, happy?
[Founders] Immune to Kessler Syndrome, increasing use of artificial wombs leading to more controllable birth rate.
5. please work with the Kaolin to keep the psyker pop manageable and keep our skies/orbit clean (recycle space junk for heavy industry) as we are taxing that; if not, your committing tax fraud and you need to go
[Founders] The Third Milieu reestablishes strong democracy and becomes more resistant to bureaucratic corruption.
6. this is your idea, don't go form a splinter cell in the outer system, your not allowed to pussy out of your "great experiment"
[Founders] The Third Milieu develops more advanced genetic augmentation.
7. a lack of development in outright improvement to the human being . . . i better see everyone with "superhuman" prowess that you set your standards, excluding others of Health goes against a unified Milieu you want to influence, bring something to the table or start digging deeper

Strong democracy but violence seems like France. Lots of riots and political discord but also a lot of freedom and democracy.
senator armstrong would love it
 
And? From what I read the group is one that feels disenfranchised in the government and has retreated to a far off corner to build death robots because they feel nostalgic for the people that ended the Age of Technology. Their will likely be conflict in the future so its best to curtail their development & fight them now. Besides some conflict is needed to grow our combat & defensive capacities.

I disagree. If we let them into government we get improved robotics probably including all their awesome death robots which sounds rather good for our military capacities.
 
imagine the 2nd Millieu dropping a list of regulations/demands for a peaceful transaction of power into the 3rd Millieu
I'd be down for that. Incorporate everyone but get everyone to tone it down a little.

Sidenote, how many more Millieus do you think we're going to go through before the Imperium finds us?
 
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I'd be down for that. Incorporate everyone but get everyone to tone it down a little.
i'm pretty sure the baseline tech stagnation is due to regulations that say "tone it down", it's in the lore blurb describing it
[ ] The Second Milieu - The Second Milieu, centralized in the underground cities of the Planarea of Equatorial Xibalba, has been the defining power in the system for centuries. While its larger democratic institutions have calcified behind a bureaucratic curtain of unyielding magistracies and ministerial taskforces, it remains a strongly pluralistic entity where power is significantly devolved to local authorities. The emergence of the Lemscolari and other radicals saw it increasingly take a precautionist tact on new technologies, with extensive legal frameworks protecting the environment and the rights of the sentient mind. The Millieu will not survive the era, but will its death be a violent shattering or peaceful reform?
 
Lemscolari are literal chaos cultists. We can keep them if we get gellar iris and strong democracy, and even that would be risky.

Otoh I want Warp Spindle. That's how you terraform planets and make a a dyson sphere folks.
 
The Lemscolari aren't just chaos cultists. other prominent sects among them apparently include "the Triune Deities of the Eternal Flame, the Unicorn and the Maiden-Mother." whatever that is. If exiled they stick around as an insurgency though so I would argue its a case of better pissing out than in.
 
Maiden Mother sorta fits, and Asuryan could be eternal flame. I don't know of anything in wh40k that has anything to do with unicorns, though.
I guess on Maiden Mother, but Isha has daughters so I don't see it. Asuryan is also dead last I checked but who knows. And yeah can't think of anything involving Unicorns.
 
None of those fit any of those.
So, I'll explain my thought process here then.

First up, I read 'Triune Deities' and thought to myself, who could these guys possibly be... oh, probably the three surviving Eldar Gods. The Maiden-Mother seems like it's obviously Isha, who is mother to Lileath the Maiden, pretty clear connection there. Unicorns don't show up at all in 40k, at least as far as I'm aware, but if I had to pick a powerful being to be represented by a unicorn, it can only be Cegorach. Or Lileath, but she's dead.

I first thought the Eternal Flame was actually the Emperor, it seems a fitting title for the Emperor and his Astronomican, but I changed my mind to Khaine to better fit with the other two as Eldar gods. It wouldn't surprise me if it was just the Emperor, but as a set of three I think Khaine is a tad more likely.
He should be still alive in this point in the timeline.
O right yeah, he would be wouldn't he? Hun...
Now this, I absolutely do not understand. We are in the 32nd millennium, are we not? Asuryan should be super dead by now, unless I've missed some new lore or got my dates really mixed up.
 
Well Asuryan Is daed. But a small part of him still exist in a form a flame on one of the craftworlds. So the eternal flame May be talking about that
 
Now this, I absolutely do not understand. We are in the 32nd millennium, are we not? Asuryan should be super dead by now, unless I've missed some new lore or got my dates really mixed up.
Are we? It's not stated anywhere I think but we're one of the last offshoots of DAoT which ended circa 25k, and we're on 2 our of 10 events, so should be closer to 25k than to 40k. It gets additionally clouded by warp storms and other weird time shenanigans possible.
 
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