BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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They are Really FastTM I think it'll work out.
Tacit Ronin: The Power of Three
- Thread starter Fyrstorm
- Start date
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
- Location
- Brazil
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
- Location
- Your nightmares.
So, I was thinking about how the geology of our area might be altered, so that we could have mines in Neo-Seattle or Everett. One of things I was considering was how the Kaiju would, or could, have altered the environment. This is more to do with my general thought processes than anything else. If a world is our own, with some slightly altered physics and the addition of giant robots and monsters, I generally buy into explainations for changes that run contrary to our world only when they involve those things, those being the premises I accepted when I walked in the door.
Anyway, one of the things I considered was that the Precursors are trying to drasticalty alter the world, and that the changes might not just be skin-deep. I was also thinking about Kaiju Blue, and how reactive it is. Part of transforming an entire biosphere is altering chemical composition. What if, instead of just being reactive, Kaiju Blue, the biology of Kaiju, and possibly the radiation they produce all slowly altered the composition of the planet, down to the metal isotopes deep underground?
Radiation can, under certain circumstances, alter what element an atom is. That's what nuclear fusion and fission are. Now, this isn't usually very feasible to trigger on large scales with just ambient, undirected radiation, but let's just say that Kaiju Magic means that anything emitting "Anteverse radiation" converts terrestrial isotopes and into their Anteverse equivalents, and the radiation these new elements produce also slowly changes the elements around them, too.
Additionally, even things of the right isotope might not be in a molecule native to the Anteversese, which is what Kaiju Blue is for: causing necessary reactions to make things suitable for the Precursors. This includes the soil, the buried minerals, and the rocks that contain them.
That's probably the idea I liked the most when I was brainstorming. Not sure about it now, as it does make our job of cleansing the planet significantly harder, but I guess maybe our cleansing processes do the same thing, but in reverse.
Other idea I had for reasons why things would be more mineral rich, which we could possibly harvest:
-Iblis' dandruff falling on the world. Yes, I know that's not what it is, but it's decent name for it. I had some weird idea about it forming clumps and falling to the earth sometimes, making a faux meteor that could be mined, but that's kinda out there.
-Anteverse "plants" putting down deep roots for us to "mine" out, as part of cleansing the land. Said roots might even run under Neo-Seattle, even if they don't show on the surface.
-Kaiju digestive processes produce minerals to help Anteform things, which are unearthly and rare, so Kaiju dens become rich in minerals for us to mine. Yes, this could literally be Kaiju crapping gold.
-The sheer amount of Kaiju Blue soaked into the ocean from decades of fights with Kaiju has upped the metal content to the point where that old, obscure process to get gold from seawater is actually viable (or perhaps it works better on Anteverse elements). This could also have affected underground waterways, potentially, with them carrying and depositing Anteverse elements deep underground.
I think I was originally trying to make a point involving the ridiculousness of some of these ideas (something about verisimilitude and suspension of disbelief?), but I actually started to really like the idea that the world is being steadily and drastically altered, in all it's aspects, down to the minerals in the rock. I also liked the idea that everything about the Kaiju, down to their ambient radiation and biological functions, progreses the Anteforming of the planet.
Anyway. It's up to Fyr what, if any, of these ideas to implement. Still, I figured I'd share them.
Anyway, one of the things I considered was that the Precursors are trying to drasticalty alter the world, and that the changes might not just be skin-deep. I was also thinking about Kaiju Blue, and how reactive it is. Part of transforming an entire biosphere is altering chemical composition. What if, instead of just being reactive, Kaiju Blue, the biology of Kaiju, and possibly the radiation they produce all slowly altered the composition of the planet, down to the metal isotopes deep underground?
Radiation can, under certain circumstances, alter what element an atom is. That's what nuclear fusion and fission are. Now, this isn't usually very feasible to trigger on large scales with just ambient, undirected radiation, but let's just say that Kaiju Magic means that anything emitting "Anteverse radiation" converts terrestrial isotopes and into their Anteverse equivalents, and the radiation these new elements produce also slowly changes the elements around them, too.
Additionally, even things of the right isotope might not be in a molecule native to the Anteversese, which is what Kaiju Blue is for: causing necessary reactions to make things suitable for the Precursors. This includes the soil, the buried minerals, and the rocks that contain them.
That's probably the idea I liked the most when I was brainstorming. Not sure about it now, as it does make our job of cleansing the planet significantly harder, but I guess maybe our cleansing processes do the same thing, but in reverse.
Other idea I had for reasons why things would be more mineral rich, which we could possibly harvest:
-Iblis' dandruff falling on the world. Yes, I know that's not what it is, but it's decent name for it. I had some weird idea about it forming clumps and falling to the earth sometimes, making a faux meteor that could be mined, but that's kinda out there.
-Anteverse "plants" putting down deep roots for us to "mine" out, as part of cleansing the land. Said roots might even run under Neo-Seattle, even if they don't show on the surface.
-Kaiju digestive processes produce minerals to help Anteform things, which are unearthly and rare, so Kaiju dens become rich in minerals for us to mine. Yes, this could literally be Kaiju crapping gold.
-The sheer amount of Kaiju Blue soaked into the ocean from decades of fights with Kaiju has upped the metal content to the point where that old, obscure process to get gold from seawater is actually viable (or perhaps it works better on Anteverse elements). This could also have affected underground waterways, potentially, with them carrying and depositing Anteverse elements deep underground.
I think I was originally trying to make a point involving the ridiculousness of some of these ideas (something about verisimilitude and suspension of disbelief?), but I actually started to really like the idea that the world is being steadily and drastically altered, in all it's aspects, down to the minerals in the rock. I also liked the idea that everything about the Kaiju, down to their ambient radiation and biological functions, progreses the Anteforming of the planet.
Anyway. It's up to Fyr what, if any, of these ideas to implement. Still, I figured I'd share them.
Not bad. Those thigh hits have the potential to drop it's Agi, and thus it's speed. The 10 to the Head may be more significant, though.
All those ankle hits...kinda wish those hit Euphonium, but I think they hit Alto. Who may end up falling off of Euphonium due to those injuries, which would be excellent, come to think of it.
Oh, I'll admit I was unclear, which is one thing which spawned the argument. And I'll admit that you pressed several of my buttons in precisely the wrong ways, which you had no way of knowing you did. So I did probably react too strongly. And, no, really, it wasn't meant to be an insult. You may not believe me, because you can't see it my head, but that is how I meant it. It was meant to convey that you were coming across that way. It was also meant as kind of a wake-up call. It's the sort of thing I'd use on a friend taking a joke too far, or who was being a jerk without realizing it.
As for how I was coming across, that's only something you can say for certain. I know what inflection I mentally intend every word to have, which makes me a poor judge of how they sound to others. That said, yeah, I can see that. I'm an amateur geologist, debating whether or not I'd be interested in entering the field, as well as working on my chemistry minor. How minerals form, and why they form where they do, and, to lesser degree, what they could be used for, are areas where those overlap, and it's something I enjoy looking into. This kind of thing is one of my areas of interest, something I may end up doing for living some day.
So, when this came up, I looked up maps of mineral deposits in the state, but I only really saw one major deposit anywhere close, that being a big chunk of anthracite, a form of coal. From what I knew off the top of my head, anthracite's well suited for power generation, but we don't need it for that. Another type of coal. bitumen, has some petrochemical uses I could see us wanting (it can partially replace oil, if you use it right), which made anthracite seem even less useful, comparatively. Hence my rather negative assessment. While you did have a point about steel, you can also use coal-coke made from charcoal...I'm wandering off. Point is, I wasn't seeing this as being a great return-on-investment. Nor, unlike if it was bitumen, was I seeing a way to argue for a higher ROI via the power of SCIENCE!
I can see how my resulting skepticism of the idea could seem knee-jerk, even if, for me, it was based on my preexisting knowledge of the fields involved. Which, while admittedly not perfect, is at least decent. I probably should have brought my background up before/when I made my judgment. Whoops. I'm willing to bet me bringing up terms without explaining also didn't help.I sometimes forget not everyone is an information sponge like me, nor do they necessarily enjoy combing for sources. I apologize about that.
Plus, today was...hectic. Doctor's appointment which ended up being moved to another day, among several other things, had been planned. And then a major storm happened. I've also been having "go through several dozen tissues a day" allergies for the last several days. Having to spend more effort to breathe kinda exhausts me and puts me in a bad mood. So, yeah, I probably lost my temper more easily than I normally would, and reacted too harshly. Apologies.
I more read that as "mostly safe, but I reserve the right to throw Kaiju at it". But that's just my interpretation
Damn, Alto didn't fall off.
[X] Plan Yakety Sax but Smrt
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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I assume somewhere between "Lorge" and "Hueg".
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
- Location
- Brazil
Phenom arrives in one, two turns tops after Tacit reaches Euphonium. Either it drops Alto and engages Tacit, meaning Phenom arrives next turn and Wrassles it to the ground, or it keeps running, Tacit Charges it and hits it with a Fangblade/starts the Grapple first and Phenom joins in on the fun the turn after, in the the second turn at the latest.
Euphonium is in for some !FUN¡ Times.
Fyrstorm
Gun Waifu Extraordinaire
- Location
- 'Straya
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Same penalties as not having any fuckin' hands to Grapple with-- aka not fun.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Ouch.
Oh by the way, I think these guys as a group are tied for my top one or two fights in this entire quest. You dun very very good Fyrstorm. *applause*
Individually they are some of my favorite Kaiju, with Euphonium being in my top five Kaiju and Mello/Alto/Flugel hanging around top ten.
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
- Location
- Your nightmares.
They're certainly amongst the most interesting, I think. They're a well-oiled machine, teamwork-wise, despite not even seeming to be networking, unlike many other groups of similar Kaiju we've encountered. No hivemind rerolls or jumping in-front of their allies. Just good synergy and tactics.
Sir Plusse
Overly Vicious Quester
- Location
- Kansas
Or, to put it another way, multiple distinct designs that were intended to work together from the start, as opposed to a mass-produced design that may or may not be customized and definitely has some degree of remote control of subsystems (and shared sensor data) between individuals.
...I can't remember- does Euph have hands (or equivalent)? Because if not, that'd probably make its grappling abilities almost nonexistent right now. I mean, between the lack of hands applying penalties and the fact that carrying an ally applies the same penalties... yeah, I'm not sure what exactly the penalty IS (since this is the only vTW quest I've read), but the result's bound to be catastrophic for the poor sap stuck in that situation.
...I can't remember- does Euph have hands (or equivalent)? Because if not, that'd probably make its grappling abilities almost nonexistent right now. I mean, between the lack of hands applying penalties and the fact that carrying an ally applies the same penalties... yeah, I'm not sure what exactly the penalty IS (since this is the only vTW quest I've read), but the result's bound to be catastrophic for the poor sap stuck in that situation.
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
- Location
- Brazil
Euphonium and Friends are an exceptional fight, really. From the "Oh Shit" moment of her Siege Cannon charging to Flugel getting back to her feet and shielding Euphonium again, the fight has been one memorable moment after another.
The dice helped, yes, but their design certainly played the bigger part.
The dice helped, yes, but their design certainly played the bigger part.
Smithsguild
The third monkey...
- Location
- Somewhere 'near' Atlanta Ga
As far as I'm concerned, everything is resolved between Nix and myself. Now that we have made up, it is my turn to apologize to the thread in general.
Please forgive 2 impassioned players, for the immense text walls of point & counter point.
It was a break down in communication, and I for one apologize that you had to endure it.
Please forgive 2 impassioned players, for the immense text walls of point & counter point.
It was a break down in communication, and I for one apologize that you had to endure it.
Smithsguild
The third monkey...
- Location
- Somewhere 'near' Atlanta Ga
This^ is undiluted genius, a heavy transport copter frame toting a small scale reactor, improved Hlin shield generator, maybe an integrated friend or foe (IFF) system to allow the more nimble copters in/out of the field w/o triggering it.
After all most of our casualties are in our Air Force and come from ranged attacks. This closes that particular chink in our tactical armor.
If this has been done and I missed the listing in the equipment/items list plz forgive...
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
- Location
- Brazil
It was proposed again very recently, actually, just after I noticed we can have the Hlin active inside a Meganeura during transport. In other words, the Meganeura's airframe is capable of housing and its engines can lift an entire Hlin without trouble. This means we can probably use them as a base to adapt a Flying Hlin/Barrier Fang.
Smithsguild
The third monkey...
- Location
- Somewhere 'near' Atlanta Ga
Do the barriers react adversely to flight thru them? or has that been checked out yet?
Hate to assume safe flight , then bam -1 squadron.
Smithsguild
The third monkey...
- Location
- Somewhere 'near' Atlanta Ga
Unrelated Idea:
I think its imperative when we encounter Antiverse 'nests' we should clear them completely out and below is why.
I think its imperative when we encounter Antiverse 'nests' we should clear them completely out and below is why.
- Alien biome attempting to replace earth life. This is probably an ongoing environmental hit for us.
- Potential Kaiju Breeding Grounds - Cat zeros abound and eventually some will become cat 1's (or bigger)
- potential resources - use the Kaiju harvesting city augs to gain sweet $ (check compatibility)
- Potential bio-Jaeger biomass on an easier to deal with scale
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Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
- Location
- Brazil
Seems like the Barrier effect needs a certain level of energy striking it from the outside to trigger. Flying in and out probably won't have much of an effect unless the Air Force are trying to ram the shield or something.
Thank you for reminding me of Goryo's nest and the potential Hellgate at the bottom of the hidden chamber in there.
Smithsguild
The third monkey...
- Location
- Somewhere 'near' Atlanta Ga
Actually it was directed more at "Vulcan's nest" which AFAIK is still running rampant...
KnightDisciple
Brotherhood. Unity. Peace.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
Isn't that combo as big as a Jaeger?
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
- Location
- Brazil
It also takes a squadron of Meganeuras that are abstracted into one unit to haul anything, but if it were small, it wouldn't be a Superheavy.
Worst case scenario, we build a few more Hlins and shove them inside a Meganeura Squadron and call it a day.
We still have something capable of lifting and transporting the Barrier Generator and Reactor.
KnightDisciple
Brotherhood. Unity. Peace.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
I was more saying that in response to the "make it a fang" thing someone floated.It also takes a squadron of Meganeuras that are abstracted into one unit to haul anything, but if it were small, it wouldn't be a Superheavy.
Worst case scenario, we build a few more Hlins and shove them inside a Meganeura Squadron and call it a day.
We still have something capable of lifting and transporting the Barrier Generator and Reactor.
Highwind
To Rise From The Ashes
- Location
- Brazil
I figure that if it can be remote-controlled, it can potentially be made a Fang. Never said I thought that would be the easy part though.
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
- Location
- Your nightmares.
Yeah...probably should have gone to spoilers at some point, at the least...whoops.
Not yet. We've had other priorities. Plus, I was kinda hoping to improve our Barriers, first.
All excellent points, and things I'd love to do. Unfortunately, we're a touch short on actions, this...turn...
Okay, hold on. There's something we really need to do before we start working on serious changes to our Jaegers' built-in weapons and stuff, and that's to decrease the number of actions doing that uses up. Because right now, from what I can recall, it takes an action to build a weapon, and an action to install it. And, if we're going to be doing a lot of weapon upgrades and new weapon installs, we need to reduce the number of actions that takes, because it will eat through them like the Cookie Monster through a Thin Mints truck.
My preferred solution would be to be able to roll building and installation into one action, but being able to roll multiple installs into one would also work. These could be City Augs, a result of researching modular weapon mounts, or something else, so long as it works. A City Aug giving free actions to put towards building things for, installing things in, and possibly upgrading the stats of our Jaegers might also work, to some degree.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Well if you're familiar with Battletech, how about Omni-pods?
I think we can research what we want to upgrade this turn, along with this city aug you are proposing. Make this coming turn be an R&D cycle.
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