Alright, what's happening next should be obvious.

[X] Chase
-[X] Phenom Sable Runs 8 units
-[X] Tacit saunters 8 units and fires all the Laser Vulcans
-[X] Jagdhund gets up (and moves towards them as far as she can)
-[X] Air Force moves back in pursuit.
 
Congratulations, you're starting to make kaiju run away rather than face you guys. Though I suppose that's partially my fault, since I keep putting some sort of familial-esque bond between cohesive squads like these guys.
Oh hell naw.

[X] Jagdhund deactivates the Dolch Gewehr, picks up the Machine Cannon, fires at Euphonium.
[X] Tacit moves towards the Kaiju, fires all the Lasers.
[X] Phenom runs after the Kaiju, cursing and taunting the whole time.
[X] Air Force pursues, anyone who can attack, does, Scouts that can't attack mark with the Arges. Those who can't attack or mark with the Arges, stay put.
 
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[X] Jagdhund deactivates the Dolch Gewehr, picks up the Machine Cannon, fires at Euphonium.
[X] Tacit moves towards the Kaiju, fires all the Lasers.
[X] Phenom runs after the Kaiju, cursing and taunting the whole time.
[X] Air Force pursues, anyone who can attack, does, Scputs thay can't attack mark with the Arges. Those who can't attack or mark with the Arges, stay put.
 
[X] Jagdhund deactivates the Dolch Gewehr, picks up the Machine Cannon, fires at Euphonium.
...Didn't we cover how picking up and shooting in one go aren't valid options literally last turn? And did you forget how Jagd is missing one of the arms required to use the two handed rifle?
 
...Didn't we cover how picking up and shooting in one go aren't valid options literally last turn? And did you forget how Jagd is missing one of the arms required to use the two handed rifle?
Picking up the rifle from the floor while prone is a Minor action, which we can can do 3 times a turn. We get a penalty to using the Rifle with one hand, but we still have Jagdhund's second Perk for that +3 against Euphonium to offset that, plus the bomus from being prone.

But I am trying to figure out exactly how far Euphonium moved this turn to see if getting up and running after it isn't better in the long run.

Edit: Seems like Euphonium moved 5 units here.
 
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Picking up the rifle from the floor while prone is a Minor action, which we can can do 3 times a turn. We get a penalty to using the Rifle with one hand, but we still have Jagdhund's second Perk for that +3 against Euphonium to offset that, plus the bomus from being prone.
Ah, fair.

But I am trying to figure out exactly how far Euphonium moved this turn to see if getting up and running after it isn't better in the long run.
Five units (24 from Jagd to 29). Euph will be out of range next turn if Jagd doesn't move closer.
 
Ah, fair.


Five units (24 from Jagd to 29). Euph will be out of range next turn if Jagd doesn't move closer.
And I just checked the Harboiled Rules. Euph decided to carry Alto, so it used a Standard Action and has its movement restricted to... Hardboiled says Grit+1, but I'm not sure how that translates here. Those 5 units might be its normal movement right now, meaning everyone can catch up with them... except for Phenom.

Getting up and running after it might work better in the long run.

[X] Chase
-[X] Phenom Sable Runs 8 units
-[X] Tacit saunters 8 units and fires all the Laser Vulcans
-[X] Jagdhund gets up (and moves towards them as far as she can)
-[X] Air Force moves back in pursuit.
 
[X] Chase
-[X] Phenom Sable Runs 8 units
-[X] Tacit saunters 8 units and fires all the Laser Vulcans
-[X] Jagdhund gets up (and moves towards them as far as she can)
-[X] Air Force moves back in pursuit.
 
Remember Vulcan's nest? did harvesting those resource require building a hamlet we had to defend? nope , we recognized a resource cache took an action and snatched said resources.

You are trying to bog my idea down with minutiae that doesn't exist, because this is not spreadsheets and return on investment analysis its giant robots punching giant monsters. I'm sure we could either grab the cache and handwave the logistics of the mine or Fyr will tell us it would require an abstraction like the kaiju harvesting factories... or do we actually really play through the harvesting , posting guards, the transportation convoys going to/from the kaiju kills?
....Vulcan's nest was above ground. And not embedded in rock. Do....do you know anything about mining? It take time, equipment, training...opening a mine is not easy. You don't just get to blow it all up to get the coal either, since coal burns. That would not be a good idea here.

Now, if it was in our territory, that wouldn't matter. But your proposed coal mine kinda isn't? It's not in Seattle or Everett, or even all that close. It's about as close as Kitsap or Redmond. Since we'd need to set up some sorf of outpost to use either of those locations, I assume that the same applies to this coal deposit.

Side note, I'm really starting to hate the "this is Giant Robots" schtick. I understand that not everything is going to make sense under real-world physics. Obviously it won't. But that doesn't mean I should have to completely turn off my brain to play this. If it's cool enough, I'm willing to give things a pass, but this is not a case of that. You're basically telling me to completely ignore things that break my suspension of disbelief because you don't want to have to think about, for example, logistics. I'm sorry, but that's just rude.
/facepalm and pray tell goodsir what is the going rate per ton of kaiju gall bladder... I'm losing braincells arguing nonessential information.

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How much would we get for Coal? Um how about whatever Fyr give us, same as kaiju scrotal tissue.
...Your condescending attitude isn't helping my temper. Seriously, if I can't get a supercarrier-scake drydock without putting in the work of figuring out how to repair and defend Kitsap, you don't get to just dodge the work with this mine idea.
It pretty much is a cop out, but we don't know the exchange rates, if they exist, and how much the mine is worth in the first place. Arguing the subject without more information is going to result in little more than wear in our keyboards.

Better to come up with new equipment ideas or something like that.
Speaking of equipment, what do you think works better for Tacit, an upgraded IE-10 or a integrated electric claws to take advantage of his HtH stat?
Thing is, I actually thought of tons of cool, world-building excuses/reasons why the geology would have shifted to the point where we could mine in Seattle, or even maybe extract metals and Resources from the water. All this stuff about how the Kaiju Anteforming purpose of the KB and Kaiju was altering the chemical composition of the air (Iblis, mostly), the water (becauee of all the Kaiju that died in the ocean, and the Breach in the Pacific), and the earth (Kaiju blood seeping into the ground, Anteverse life, Kaiju waste products, and aspects of the other two).

And my current anger has kinda driven the details from my head. It was all so cool, it drove home how the Precursors are trying alter the planet, hell, it gave them a reason to do so (converting Earth's resources to their Anteverse forms means they gain more resources)...maybe I'll post it later...

But yeah, I should probably just chill. I'll respond to stuff after this when I'm in a better headspace. Apologies. *cranks up the Jackson Browne*
 
Thing is, I actually thought of tons of cool, world-building excuses/reasons why the geology would have shifted to the point where we could mine in Seattle, or even maybe extract metals and Resources from the water. All this stuff about how the Kaiju Anteforming purpose of the KB and Kaiju was altering the chemical composition of the air (Iblis, mostly), the water (becauee of all the Kaiju that died in the ocean, and the Breach in the Pacific), and the earth (Kaiju blood seeping into the ground, Anteverse life, Kaiju waste products, and aspects of the other two).

And my current anger has kinda driven the details from my head. It was all so cool, it drove home how the Precursors are trying alter the planet, hell, it gave them a reason to do so (converting Earth's resources to their Anteverse forms means they gain more resources)...maybe I'll post it later...

But yeah, I should probably just chill. I'll respond to stuff after this when I'm in a better headspace. Apologies. *cranks up the Jackson Browne*
If it helps, that sort of work isn't wasted, since realistic or setting-appropriate excuses do help. Who knows, they might even convince Fyr to lower the DC to find new Resource deposits if they're good enough!
 
...one day. One day I will earn respect enough to just have my plan voted for without repasting the whole plan and/or a new vote!

Ahem. Sorry about that. Something I should note about our tactical situation: I'm fairly sure that neither Euphonium nor Alto can take any action right now, so so long as neither Jagdhund nor Tacit's injuries get worse from any potential Ongoing they might have, we can basically pick them apart if the two run and rip them apart if they stop for any reason.
 
[x] Highwind

Come back! Let us steal your internal organs! We need it for our not!Space Battleship Yamato!
 
Alright. Cooled down. Sorry about that. I do try not to get angry, since this is a game, but some things get under my skin. Luckily, I have music and headphones.
Better to come up with new equipment ideas or something like that.
Speaking of equipment, what do you think works better for Tacit, an upgraded IE-10 or a integrated electric claws to take advantage of his HtH stat?
IE-10 with upgrades, IMO. Claws are alright, I guess, but I feel like, due that whole "Arc Lightning" thing, Electric has more possibilities with ranged weapons. Plus, I like our Fangblades for melee. While having a backup is an alright idea, I'm not sure it's worth putting too much effort into.
Electric fang blades?
Secondary elemental damage is weird, though. They may not actually deal electrical damage.
IIRC, there are weapons that do both, guaranteed, though they're pretty high-tech, and would likely require a lot of research time.
Another thought for communications beyond the safe range of radios without the high expense of angelnet.

Use Carbon arc signal lamps, visible to the horizon even in daylight. Sure you need a clean sight line, but we could do the whole beacon towers of Gondor thing.

Computer automate the reception & relay from tower to tower establishing a valid sight line. Sailors are capable of doing upto 14 words per minute an automated system could increase that substantially. If we wanted to be more covert we could use infrared lights.

Stationing relay towers on mountain peaks to maximize effective range and optimal sight lines.
*sigh* Again with this...building outside of the territory we can hold isn't a good idea. I'd honestly rather break out the carrier pigeons and micro SDs before going for semaphore towers, anyway. They're prone to issues whenever visibility is poor, or during the day (the light of the sun can make seeing the light of the lamps harder). Infrared could help with that, but a thick fog would cause problems with that, too.

Hell, what I'd really rather do is optimize laying fiber-optic, and repair existing networks. Sure, Kaiju will occasionally tear it up, but that's a small price for not having to rely on semaphore towers.
They are ripe indeed.
Fyrstorm already mentioned UV lasers could work and would be more powerful.
That's what we get for copying a crappy gun in the first place, apparently.
Also, I know Smith was making a joke about "kaiju scrotal tissue", but something similar to that would actually be fairly useful-- not for resources, but because the only way you can make a Bio-Jaeger is if you have a clone, and to get a clone you need reproductive cells from a Kaiju.
So, track down the Kaiju responsible for one of the sets of possibly native Kaiju. I think Inko/Umpo/whatshisface's (I can never remember all three's names...) progenitor would be a good option.
Wait, shouldn't we be able to harvest kaiju reproductive cells from our captured kaiju? Of course obtaining said cells would be an embarrassing affair...
More like "suicidal". Goryo's cells would have been completely internal, and so, I assume would be it's spawn. We'd basically be doing K-Scale surgery. Unless you mean...yeah, no, wait, I see what you mean. That...still seems suicidal.
That is one reason behind the high turnover rate for interns in the K-science branch.
"Wimps. Bet you a Clean-up guy would do it, even without a hazard bonus."
Now I have the image of a K-science intern with a chainsaw, scuba mask, and a 55 gallon fishtank trying to harvest swimmers on the battlefield :V

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and a senior scientist prodding them from behind saying: "Fresh is best!"
"Nah, man, the Clean-up guys are all adrenaline junkies. They'll do it with a smile, so long as it's already dead. I should know, I was one for a while, before I ended up in management. Why do you think I took up making home-made fireworks after I got transfered to the Navy? Need to get my danger fix somehow."
Not all kaiju have functional or present reproductive systems. The Myrmions don't seem to have any-- though it's unclear if that's due to being made as workers only, or simply being adolescents. The Seijin you've met and autopsied are also lacking any reproductive systems.

By comparison, Ooarashi actually did possess reproductive organs-- as did Erant and Ontran (the lightning lobsters). You didn't manage to save them, though.
Hm. Not sure if that means Ooarashi made the other two, or if they just come from the same progenitor. Which is important, since it's what determines if we've still got a progenitor-type lobster Kaiju running around or not.
Annnnnnnnd now I have an image in my head of our science teams being made of pyromaniac mad goblins.

This is a good image.
"You're not that far off in some cases, sadly. That's a pretty accurate description of the weapons guys. Doesn't matter if it's C-Tech or J-Tech, they're pretty much all pyromaniacs. Well, except the ones in J-Tech who specialize in melee weapons. Those guys are even more unsettling, honestly. They watch videos of Jaegers ripping into Kaiju more than I think is strictly healthy."

...So, I know I'm not up-to-date, but I'm also in the path of nasty weather, so...might want to post now. Yes, I'm decently safe, but, uh....yeah.
 
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You don't just get to blow it all up to get the coal either, since coal burns.

Em, yes I kinda do. I refer you to mountaintop removal mining, kind of like strip mining on steroids. Explosives are used to break apart the stone layers above a deep coal seam and when approaching the depth of the coal seam you switch to standard strip mining techniques.

Now, if it was in our territory, that wouldn't matter. But your proposed coal mine kinda isn't? It's not in Seattle or Everett, or even all that close. It's about as close as Kitsap or Redmond. Since we'd need to set up some sorf of outpost to use either of those locations, I assume that the same applies to this coal deposit.

30 miles outside Seattle -IS- in your territory. Your not moving in and planting tea roses, people get on the mine camp bus and report to work for their shift a half hour to 45 minutes away from the defensive perimeter. There aren't any houses and children to defend, kaiju come near you evac on those same busses back to Seattle or take your ass out of the line of advance elsewhere.

Your condescending attitude isn't helping my temper. Seriously, if I can't get a supercarrier-scake drydock without putting in the work of figuring out how to repair and defend Kitsap, you don't get to just dodge the work with this mine idea.

Bottom line, Nix your not QM... It is not up to you to decide what an action can or cannot do, you aren't the one to decide what level of abstraction is okay and what will take additional actions. That is Fyrstorms bailiwick alone. And I'm sorry that the Giant robot shtick irks you, but you demand logistical justification of things that frankly don't need them or if/when they do they are at QM fiat alone.

I'm sorry if pointing that out hurts your feeling, or drives you to psychotic foaming at the mouth. I hope you can adjust to it. I have found your input to be some of my favorite slices of TRvsTW, I want to say I apologize for thumbing my nose at logical fallacies you presented when I encountered them. I could have been more respectful but in truth your dismisssiveness of my ideas were presented a bit condescendingly themselves irked me as well and when the opportunity presented itself to be the bigger man I failed. I took my cheap shot and hurt a poster I generally respect. My apologies.
 
Firing off the QM Batsignal to receive needed info

At COMs 6 what is the sphere of influence of Neo-Seattle? (btw same score as the Empire of Vladivostok in Cherno thread)
IE. what range around Seattle is considered our Territory?

Am I right in assuming range of Sensors and Range of Comms are equal if that city stat is raised to the the same score?
 
Well, it's still raining cats and dogs, but I should be fine.
For its part, the Category IV-- despite lacking any facial features besides its obscenely wide grin, jutting brow, and massive chin-- is looking utterly out of its depth, and the loss of its second teammate isn't helping.

Time to go.

Cutting Losses:

Flipping its shoulder fins down under its armour, Euphonium backs up, and slides its tail underneath Alto. The Cat II squawks in surprise, as her teammate stands, flaring open their tail array to shove the smaller kaiju onto its back. Euphonium turns around slowly, giving enough time for Alto to get a little purchase on its flattened dorsal surface, before shoving off. As before, it's not a graceful action in the slightest-- Euphonium throws its body into a thunderous gallop, charging a line across the city in almost the opposite direction its Siege Cannon had fired, if a bit more southward. Given the heading of the Outpost forces, it doesn't seem like it's heading in that direction-- just away from the other forces.

Congratulations, you're starting to make kaiju run away rather than face you guys. Though I suppose that's partially my fault, since I keep putting some sort of familial-esque bond between cohesive squads like these guys.
And the two I most want to study are running. KILL.
If it helps, that sort of work isn't wasted, since realistic or setting-appropriate excuses do help. Who knows, they might even convince Fyr to lower the DC to find new Resource deposits if they're good enough!
Right. I'll be sure to type that up in something other than cliff-notes. Give me a bit, though.
...one day. One day I will earn respect enough to just have my plan voted for without repasting the whole plan and/or a new vote!

Ahem. Sorry about that. Something I should note about our tactical situation: I'm fairly sure that neither Euphonium nor Alto can take any action right now, so so long as neither Jagdhund nor Tacit's injuries get worse from any potential Ongoing they might have, we can basically pick them apart if the two run and rip them apart if they stop for any reason.
So, run them down. Seems like a good plan.
[x] Highwind

Come back! Let us steal your internal organs! We need it for our not!Space Battleship Yamato!
"And possibly for a sonic defense system!"
Em, yes I kinda do. I refer you to mountaintop removal mining, kind of like strip mining on steroids. Explosives are used to break apart the stone layers above a deep coal seam and when approaching the depth of the coal seam you switch to standard strip mining techniques.
Yes, because that certainly won't attract Kaiju. While such mining techniques are fast, they'd still requie a decent amount of time to get all the coal. Like, days. More than enough time for a MICHEAL situation to develop. No thank you.
30 miles outside Seattle -IS- in your territory. Your not moving in and planting tea roses, people get on the mine camp bus and report to work for their shift a half hour to 45 minutes away from the defensive perimeter. There aren't any houses and children to defend, kaiju come near you evac on those same busses back to Seattle or take your ass out of the line of advance elsewhere.
If it's not with the DP, and can't be easily put within it, it's not in our territory. Whlle there might noe be houses to defend, there are going to be buildings, equipment, and other such things. And those buses are not an appropriate exit strategy, IMO. They're just not. Aircraft might be, but not unarmored buses. Possibly not even those. You're being needlessly careless about this.
Bottom line, Nix your not QM... It is not up to you to decide what an action can or cannot do, you aren't the one to decide what level of abstraction is okay and what will take additional actions. That is Fyrstorms bailiwick alone. And I'm sorry that the Giant robot shtick irks you, but you demand logistical justification of things that frankly don't need them or if/when they do they are at QM fiat alone.
If you want us to support an idea, you should be prepared to defend it. Why should we do this, instead of any of our other options? All of them cost time and actions, and you've yet to convince me the investment is worthwhile, and that it isn't a potential hazard.

And sure, what Fyr says goes, but basing our asssumptions on similar past cases is legitimate, no matter how much you say they're not.

I'd also like to point out that your proposal has gone from "long-term mine" to "resource grab", by how you describe it. Given past cases, this wouldn't be within our usual borders. At thirty miles from the DP, this wouldn't be a City Aug, I don't think. And we have lots of other resource-grabs. Why would this one be more worthwhile?
I'm sorry if pointing that out hurts your feeling, or drives you to psychotic foaming at the mouth. I hope you can adjust to it. I have found your input to be some of my favorite slices of TRvsTW, I want to say I apologize for thumbing my nose at logical fallacies you presented when I encountered them. I could have been more respectful but in truth your dismisssiveness of my ideas were presented a bit condescendingly themselves irked me as well and when the opportunity presented itself to be the bigger man I failed. I took my cheap shot and hurt a poster I generally respect. My apologies.
I wasn't hurt, I was annoyed. Big difference. You keep deflecting and refusing to defend your idea or come up with solutions, which is frustrating. The issues with building anything outside our wall, which I've been wrestling with for ages, you completely dismiss as irrelevant. Which is incredibly irritating. And makes you seem like kind of a git, honestly.
 
...Why do you do that? If you need Fyr's attention just tag him, it's not like coloring your text achieves anything other than looking a bit weird.

New to these forums, how does one go about tagging someone? the looking weird was my attempt to draw Fyrs eye...

I apologize if this was some social gaff I was unaware of... Today just seems to be my day for unintentionally irking everyone.
 
If it's not with the DP, and can't be easily put within it, it's not in our territory. Whlle there might noe be houses to defend, there are going to be buildings, equipment, and other such things. And those buses are not an appropriate exit strategy, IMO. They're just not. Aircraft might be, but not unarmored buses. Possibly not even those. You're being needlessly careless about this.

I'm sure that part of issues are because we are not using the same definition of territory... you are claiming only things inside the DP are 'ours'. I am using the Inside our "sphere of influence" generated by our Comms stat. That is a thing that Fyr or the thread should decide. At worse case if Fyr decides it can be claimed as an Aug it should be defended and 30 miles should fall well inside our sensor grid and the carryalls reach. If Fyr decides it isn't a long term resource we do the short term grab and get what we can.

If you want us to support an idea, you should be prepared to defend it. Why should we do this, instead of any of our other options? All of them cost time and actions, and you've yet to convince me the investment is worthwhile, and that it isn't a potential hazard.

And sure, what Fyr says goes, but basing our asssumptions on similar past cases is legitimate, no matter how much you say they're not.

I'd also like to point out that your proposal has gone from "long-term mine" to "resource grab", by how you describe it. Given past cases, this wouldn't be within our usual borders. At thirty miles from the DP, this wouldn't be a City Aug, I don't think. And we have lots of other resource-grabs. Why would this one be more worthwhile?

I never, NEVER claimed you should pursue this instead of other options. I have said repeatedly that any and all resources should be gotten IN ADDITION to the manufacturing and Anti-verse resources we count on.

The premise I railed against was that you claimed it wasn't worth pursuit because it was a specific resource you failed to see a need for. My point now and always has been it doesn't matter if its, coal, diamonds, sheep shit, or kaiju parts if it = resources that alone made it worth while... You wanted to argue semantics over thing that are abstractions and figure out freaking exchange rates.

As to it being an ongoing bonus resource, short term cache, or nonviable waste of time is unknowable until researched... and firmly Fyrs decision. And why does it have to be more worthwhile? If walking down the street and I see a 5$ bill and a 20$ bill both laying unclaimed I will pick up all the dollar bills, sure I'd go for the 20 first, but I wouldn't stop bending over and picking them up till they were all gone.

I wasn't hurt, I was annoyed. Big difference. You keep deflecting and refusing to defend your idea or come up with solutions, which is frustrating. The issues with building anything outside our wall, which I've been wrestling with for ages, you completely dismiss as irrelevant. Which is incredibly irritating. And makes you seem like kind of a git, honestly.

No, I am not attempting to evade arguments to defend my ideas... I am attempting to fight the battles that actually matter. Coal to resource exchange rates are a non argument because there is no exchange rate. Fyr decides the value -PERIOD. I will gladly argue and defend my position over the utility of grabbing all the resources.

I absolutely refuse to engage with you over pointless abstractions that you are intent on obsessing over.

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And the use of personal attacks "And makes you seem like kind of a git, honestly." are counterproductive and childish, please refrain in future responses.
 
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At COMs 6 what is the sphere of influence of Neo-Seattle? (btw same score as the Empire of Vladivostok in Cherno thread)
IE. what range around Seattle is considered our Territory?

Am I right in assuming range of Sensors and Range of Comms are equal if that city stat is raised to the the same score?
If Comms and Scanners are equal, their range will be roughly equivalent. Roughly.

I've scaled down Comms and Scanners a little bit (if you wanted a justification, it's because Seattle never had a shatterdome pre-TdJ, and you've basically been rebuilding yourselves as a serious power from scratch), but the effects will increase dramatically more as the level does.

Currently, you're just covering most of Washington, but not all of it. It's how you know where the DGINN squad is.

At Comms 6, Mt. St. Helens is inside your sphere of influence (it's really more like a rectangle of influence).

At Comms 7, you get all the way down to Eugene, Oregon-- and about halfway up British Colombia.

Comms 8 reaches Oblivion Bay.


However, to prevent you guys from frantically splurging on Comms or something, I will reiterate-- a Comms stat denotes your influence; it does not mean you automatically control the territory within it. To bring up Vladivostok, at Comms 6 they were an Empire, but had barely any control over what was actually going on within it. Cities? Unclaimed. Kaiju? Everywhere. Just because your sphere of influence reaches the Jaeger holy grail at level 8 doesn't mean you can stroll in with impunity and evict the kaiju with a fancy note. You want to control your territory, you'll have to fight tooth and blood to claim it, especially with the Breach present.

Edit: on a different note, both of you, play nice. That's all I'll say.
 
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You want to control your territory, you'll have to fight tooth and blood to claim it, especially with the Breach present.

Edit: on a different note, both of you, play nice. That's all I'll say.

Oh I agree wholeheartedly, Vlad empire was a paper tiger with a crunchy cherno center. You only really hold sway over what you can defend.

Seattle is much more crunchy all the way around, but In your opinion as QM how far does our territory extend? Only to the DP? If I get the ruling I can adjust my vocabulary accordingly and play NICER.
 
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