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[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Cost++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Cost++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: No Aft Torpedoes
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Cost+) [Avg Damage: 2]
I feel vaguely we shouldn't going for cost+ like this so much but.
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Cost++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: No Aft Torpedoes
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Cost+) [Avg Damage: 2]
I feel vaguely we shouldn't going for cost+ like this so much but.
Look god in the eyes and walk backwards into hell!!!
[X] 0: Six Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Standard) [Avg Damage: 5]
[X] 1: No Forward Torpedoes
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
[X] 0: Six Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Standard) [Avg Damage: 5]
[X] 1: No Forward Torpedoes
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
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- He/Him
Yes, four more emitters, two each on the dorsal and ventral parts of the hull and further split so that it's one each on the port and starboard side.
Enthusiast#117
This is not the Profile you are looking for
- Location
- United States
[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
This thing will not be very maneuverable, so it needs coverage.
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
This thing will not be very maneuverable, so it needs coverage.
I was thinking of this post from Sayle all the way back during the NX design process, that was to illustrate how many cannons could fire in each arc for each of the possible phase cannon arrangements. It's pretty clear we've got a forward, side, side, and aft arc for both dorsal and ventral halves of the ship.
I also had trouble, demonstrated by my giving the wrong numbers. I was fiddling with the torpedoes as well as the wrong cannon values for the aft dorsal cannon when I realised it would have the firing arcs blocked.
3 Cannons:
6 Cannons:
8 Cannons:
0t4n1z3r019
Member of the HAFPTG
- Location
- Philippines
[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
MOAR DAKKA!
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
MOAR DAKKA!
VOTE
[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
RATIONALE
I think this is a reasonable set of choices for a capital ship.
The armament should be high end without maxing out everything, and we should attempt to plug any potential capabilitiy gaps.
Torpedoes are both our heaviest alpha-strike weapon, and the only weapon that work in warp-speed combat.
Hence Im voting for Photon Torpedoes[Prototype] both forward and aft.
Photon Torpedo experience will trickle down to the rest of the fleet. Forward launchers thickens our alpha strike.
The aft launcher will come in useful against both ambushers, and in the event that a Copernicus-class has to dissuade ships pursuing her at warp speed; this was something we saw during the war.
As for the Phasers, I think we should go for maximum phasers on the saucer, but only a few on the engineering hull.
That both bulks out weapons, and hedges our bets against losing weapons on one section of the ship.
[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
RATIONALE
I think this is a reasonable set of choices for a capital ship.
The armament should be high end without maxing out everything, and we should attempt to plug any potential capabilitiy gaps.
Torpedoes are both our heaviest alpha-strike weapon, and the only weapon that work in warp-speed combat.
Hence Im voting for Photon Torpedoes[Prototype] both forward and aft.
Photon Torpedo experience will trickle down to the rest of the fleet. Forward launchers thickens our alpha strike.
The aft launcher will come in useful against both ambushers, and in the event that a Copernicus-class has to dissuade ships pursuing her at warp speed; this was something we saw during the war.
As for the Phasers, I think we should go for maximum phasers on the saucer, but only a few on the engineering hull.
That both bulks out weapons, and hedges our bets against losing weapons on one section of the ship.
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- Location
- The Void
[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
Starfleet - "You may want to carefully consider cost when..."
Voters - Slam foot directly onto gas peddle that says "MOAR GUNS!"
Voters - Slam foot directly onto gas peddle that says "MOAR GUNS!"
LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
- Pronouns
- He/They
??? We took the more maneuverable thrusters though.
- Location
- Most likely California
[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Cost++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Cost++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: No Aft Torpedoes
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Cost+) [Avg Damage: 2]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Cost++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: No Aft Torpedoes
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Cost+) [Avg Damage: 2]
Empress_Boog
Grand Empress
[X] 0: Six Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Standard) [Avg Damage: 5]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
I really want to upgrade the torpedoes on this class, and while I think phasers are important, I don't think we need them maxed out.
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
I really want to upgrade the torpedoes on this class, and while I think phasers are important, I don't think we need them maxed out.
- Location
- EcksEcksEcksEcks
[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Cost+) [Avg Damage: 2]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
i dont want to be mucking about with mid war refits whenever the next war begins
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Cost+) [Avg Damage: 2]
[X] 3: Four Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 3]
i dont want to be mucking about with mid war refits whenever the next war begins
D- is supposed to be the lowest possible score and we still have yet to purchase subsystems...
We will sail the stars on a river of Starfleet budgetary officer tears.
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- Location
- Illinois
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Cost is relative to stage, not completed design. So there's a certain budget expected for an explorer, and from what we've done so far, we're doing badly on cost. But there is an expected armament (that I assume is more than "absolutely minimal") that won't make our score worse than a D, and then the same for internals.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: One Aft Photon Launcher (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 0.75] [Alpha Strike: 18]
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
They're infra increases not cost increases, not the same stat.
[] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 9]
Under the assumption that each Infrastructure "+" is worth 2 dmg;
A baseline for the 5->9.
[] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
The best of the bad trade offs. But alpha strikes are game changing. Its the "you might get lucky and just win outright" option. So you really should ALWAYS put one on a ship.
[] 2: No Aft Torpedoes
The damage is mid in compassion. one "+" : for .75 dmg, and we already have an alpha strike option, ones thats pointed in the correct direction.
As an aside: I'm against having an explodable tailpipe. Call me old fashion, I don't want explody bits shooting out of where I keep all my moving bits. We face the universe Head-on. Also we have a floaty-thing in betwen our nauticles that I feel would get in the way. I'm also against photonics if we have the better option. Technology marches FORWARD, lets not keep outdated tech on an IV.
(I do make an exception onto rearward guns for ships designed to run away, but this isn't that.)
[ ] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
Matches the criteria of each + being worth 2 points. The 4 phasers doubles the cost for half the benefit, not worth.
[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: No Aft Torpedoes
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
Near as I can tell, this is the best Bang for the buck.
Under the assumption that each Infrastructure "+" is worth 2 dmg;
A baseline for the 5->9.
[] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
The best of the bad trade offs. But alpha strikes are game changing. Its the "you might get lucky and just win outright" option. So you really should ALWAYS put one on a ship.
[] 2: No Aft Torpedoes
The damage is mid in compassion. one "+" : for .75 dmg, and we already have an alpha strike option, ones thats pointed in the correct direction.
As an aside: I'm against having an explodable tailpipe. Call me old fashion, I don't want explody bits shooting out of where I keep all my moving bits. We face the universe Head-on. Also we have a floaty-thing in betwen our nauticles that I feel would get in the way. I'm also against photonics if we have the better option. Technology marches FORWARD, lets not keep outdated tech on an IV.
(I do make an exception onto rearward guns for ships designed to run away, but this isn't that.)
[ ] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
Matches the criteria of each + being worth 2 points. The 4 phasers doubles the cost for half the benefit, not worth.
[X] 0: Ten Saucer Type-1 Phasers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 9]
[X] 1: Two Forward Photon Launchers (Infra++) [Avg Damage: 1.5] [Alpha Strike: 36]
[X] 2: No Aft Torpedoes
[X] 3: Two Engineering Section Type-1 Phasers (Infra+) [Avg Damage: 2]
Near as I can tell, this is the best Bang for the buck.
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The options we're updated to be Infra now, not Cost like the were originally. OTOH, our Infra being rather average already could likely help with offsetting the Cost of the ship being so low, so there's still reasons to not take lots of Infra+ options.
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
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- He/Him